Hundreds of Proofs of God’s Existence

[ManTimeForgot]

What constitutes proof? Evidence which is irrefutable? If the behavior of your average self-professed Christian is any indication of how a Christian is supposed to act under the watchful eye of an omniscient creator, then I am fairly confidant I do not want any part of it. An omnibenevolent being capable of miracles (curing the blind and transmuting water to wine) chooses to not stop the pointless slaughter during the crusades which were conducted in his name. I think I could quite comfortably go to "Hell" in that case knowing that I was true to my principles in life and if "God" wants to punish me for that, then so be it.

MTF

 

[Venatoris]

If I could prove to you with out a shadow of a doubt IE irrefutaebly; that God wrote the bible, would you do what the bible tells you to do, that is, repent of your sin and receive Christ as your saviour and leave your other beliefs behind?

IF so Why and if not why not?

First off, I'd like to say that I have no beliefs, only ideas and opinions. These are easier to change than beliefs. I don't believe or disbelieve in god. To me it matters not in my daily life.

That said, If you provided irrefutable proof that the bible was written word for word by god the first thing I would do is call god out(he has no reason to hide if we know he does in fact exist) and have him answer for all the things in the bible I disagree with(homosexuality for example). If I didn't like his answers I would give him the finger and continue on as I always have. Seriously, if I have a stronger moral compass than the creator then there isn't room for him in my heaven.

Question everything. Even the creator is not above reproach.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

Well your first sentence is un proveable for a start, because with the evidence I will produce (hypothetically for now) is not requireds to proof the bible is the word of God, because arguably the fact that the bible exists and you can read and can see the effect it has already had on humanity - your would have to be blind not to see that it is the word of God already, so therfore I conclude, your first sentence to be an opinion, and not necessarily the truth.

Which leaves me to beg the question, would you accept the evidence as truth, because let me tell you my friend, for over one hundred years, this irrefutable evidence has been rejected, and cnat for the life of me understand why, which is why I ma going baout this thread in this way as means to perhaps find out what in the human psyche blocks people form seeing the truth as the truth.

I wonder if you yourself know what you wrote above.
You asked whether (in this case me) accepted irrefutable proof for God or the bible if it existed.
I said yes. And not only for the bible or God but even more generally. I accept truth no matter what it looks like as long as it is prooven. Truth is not a matter of personal preference for me.
The very first thing you do is to doubt that only to ask me the same initial question that got us here in the end of your post again.
This is not really an honest discussion.

Anyway...
What i expected was a proof now. And see what we got. Apart of telling me that my initial proclamation supposedly was just an opinion and not nessessarily true (which by the way is logically incorrect given the wording of my sentence) you put forth ... "nothing".

Just read yourself again.
You think the mere existence of something which you think is the word of god makes it so. Sorry but if THAT is what you call irrefutable proof then we two have different standards on measuring claims and evicence. And of course i doubt that you would stick to your own criteria when it comes to a hindu telling you that the mere existence of the hindu scripture and its "effects" on people was proof for the truth of the hindu religion.

 

[sevenz]

what sort of proof? miraculous proof?

Proof is proof = proof.

The bible is miraculous already by the way.

 

[sevenz]

So are you going to bring forth this 'proof' any time soon?

By the way I have a couple of questions:

1) Were you born into Christianity? NO
2) If not, why did you come to it? Seeking
3) If so, have you been deeply involved in studies of other religions? YEs

I maintain there are only two religions in the world, 1. Jesus Christ is the only way 2. All those who dont believe this and teach an other way.

I may bring it forth I may not, I havent been in here long enough to see if it is worth it or not and if people here deserve it. I dont like wasting my time deabting with fools.

 

[sevenz]

What constitutes proof? Evidence which is irrefutable? If the behavior of your average self-professed Christian is any indication of how a Christian is supposed to act under the watchful eye of an omniscient creator, then I am fairly confidant I do not want any part of it. An omnibenevolent being capable of miracles (curing the blind and transmuting water to wine) chooses to not stop the pointless slaughter during the crusades which were conducted in his name. I think I could quite comfortably go to "Hell" in that case knowing that I was true to my principles in life and if "God" wants to punish me for that, then so be it.

MTF

What does another human beings behaivour have to do with irrefutable proof that God worte the bible?? NOTHING!! Stay on topic -

If you don't know what irrefuteable proof is you wont know it kno whwne you see it. Start a thread asking what is Irrefutabel proof is.
Take your petty resentments towards Christians some where else please. It's not a councelling session thread for people who hate christians to share their feellings and hate speech...

Your decsisions will send you to your eternal residence, not the decisions and actions of other men. Are you their judge??. HAh. You sound extremly judgemental and condescending.

 

[ManTimeForgot]

What does another human abeings behaivour have to do with irrefutable proof that God worte the bible. And if you don't know what that is then its a wate of time talking to you. Syart a thread asking what is Irrefutabel proof.

Take your petty resentments towards Christians some where else please. It's not a councelling session thread for people who hate christians to share their feellings and hate speech...

If you actually believe that God wrote the Bible, then I should think that you would behave with a bit more respect towards its tenets... And yet I don't see that happening. Is their faith non-existent (and there are no true christians)? Or is their faith real and God doesn't care about the tenets in the Bible? Or is there no God? Choose wisely.

You have irrefutable proof that God wrote the Bible? Where? How come this information isn't on CNN right now?

I don't have any resentments towards Christians. I frankly don't care enough about past slights real or perceived to be able to muster resentment for a whole group of people. I do, however, find the public stances of self-styled Christians on the television and internet to be reprehensible. Since when does bombing an abortion clinic constitute loving your neighbor as yourself.

Hate speech? At what point have I said anything which is anything but unvarnished truth? The crusades happened. Deal with it. And there are fundamentalist christians who engage in hateful activities. Deal with it.


Edit: I am judgmental? Yes, because I am the one going around telling people that they should be more like me... I judge people by the effect they have on my community and society at large. Everyone does. I don't always act on this (some what to my own dismay), but never do I allow this to make me into someone who infringes upon the freedoms of another. So you can try and turn this back upon me all you like, but in the end I am content with who I am and my conscience is clear.

MTF

 

[Madhuri]

I maintain there are only two religions in the world, 1. Jesus Christ is the only way 2. All those who dont believe this and teach an other way.

I may bring it forth I may bot, I havent been in here long enough to see if it is worth it or not and if people here deserve it. I dont like wasting my time deabting with fools.

What a cop out. So you don't answer any questions and you are foolishly ignorant. I can guarantee that this 'proof' of yours is not worth posting here unless you enjoy people mocking you.
You aren't here to debate by the way, you're here to preach. So maybe you should be posting in the preaching section?

Oh wait, THERE ISN'T ONE.

 

[Commoner]

I maintain there are only two religions in the world, 1. Jesus Christ is the only way 2. All those who dont believe this and teach an other way.

I may bring it forth I may bot, I havent been in here long enough to see if it is worth it or not and if people here deserve it. I dont like wasting my time deabting with fools.

Well, you won't know until you've tried us. But I must say, I doubt very much you have any proof at all, let alone "hundreds".

 

[Scarlett Wampus]

I maintain there are only two religions in the world, 1. Jesus Christ is the only way 2. All those who dont believe this and teach an other way.

I may bring it forth I may bot, I havent been in here long enough to see if it is worth it or not and if people here deserve it. I dont like wasting my time deabting with fools.

Sevenz this is beginning to look like false advertising. If you have proof by all means bring it forth. If you don't then this whole thread will then have been a waste of our time as well as yours. If you do and people do not accept it because they are fools are for some other reason, well that's too bad but all of us here are accustomed to being questioned or rejected in our assertions.

 

[sevenz]

I wonder if you yourself know what you wrote above.
You asked whether (in this case me) accepted irrefutable proof for God or the bible if it existed.
I said yes. And not only for the bible or God but even more generally. I accept truth no matter what it looks like as long as it is prooven. Truth is not a matter of personal preference for me.
The very first thing you do is to doubt that only to ask me the same initial question that got us here in the end of your post again.
This is not really an honest discussion.

Anyway...
What i expected was a proof now. And see what we got. Apart of telling me that my initial proclamation supposedly was just an opinion and not nessessarily true (which by the way is logically incorrect given the wording of my sentence) you put forth ... "nothing".

Just read yourself again.
You think the mere existence of something which you think is the word of god makes it so. Sorry but if THAT is what you call irrefutable proof then we two have different standards on measuring claims and evicence. And of course i doubt that you would stick to your own criteria when it comes to a hindu telling you that the mere existence of the hindu scripture and its "effects" on people was proof for the truth of the hindu religion.

The sentence I was reffering to was your opening statement about believing th truth when you see it.

You cant prove that.

And I can dsagree because the proof that God wrote the bible has been aroudn for hundreds of years. Are you a seeker of truth??

Then answer me this, what truth have you seen so far in life that you believe, this would be some evidence for your claim.

Im not giving my proof yet,(and I may never supply it on this forum, I have on others so I know what I am up against) because Im not getting straight answers to the questions, which is great,it diagnoses to me the true state of where people are at regarding a genuine desire for truth.

Most people just want to argue the toss to watse a bit of time - IE this is entertainment for most people.

 

[Madhuri]

Im not giving my proof yet,(and I may never supply it on this forum, I have on others so I know what I am up against) because Im not getting straight answers to the questions, which is great it diagnoses as to the true state of where people are at regarding a genuine desire for truth.

Right...well here's my take:

When you are blindly following a religion and completely disregard anybody else's perspectives then you aren't searching for truth at all. No, you're just a hypocrite with no knowledge about history and the world. Every person on here, andm ost people in the world are genuinely searching for truth. We all see truth somewhere, in different things. That's why people become Muslims, or Jews or Chrsitians or Hindus or Buddhists or Atheists or Wiccans etc. etc. etc. We see truth there.

Unless you are able or willing to be a little open minded and think and respect others enough then you shouldn't even talk to us. It's pointless. It's even un-Christ like.

 

[sevenz]

Right...well here's my take:

When you are blindly following a religion and completely disregard anybody else's perspectives then you aren't searching for truth at all. No, you're just a hypocrite with no knowledge about history and the world. Every person on here, andm ost people in the world are genuinely searching for truth. We all see truth somewhere, in different things. That's why people become Muslims, or Jews or Chrsitians or Hindus or Buddhists or Atheists or Wiccans etc. etc. etc. We see truth there.

Unless you are able or willing to be a little open minded and think and respect others enough then you shouldn't even talk to us. It's pointless. It's even un-Christ like.

Wow now it's a them us thing goin on. What a freak show.

Your the hypocrite lady. Go and bother some other poor new pserson for a while. I need a break already.

Remember you werent even open minded enough to avoid putting a dig into christianity on your very first post to me OKAY, so wake up. Im not gonna put up with this crap. Childish and very dissapointing. I was hoping for better in this forum. Obvioulsy its the same crap wherever ya go. AT least I found out early on.

 

[Madhuri]

Wow now it's a them us thing goin on. What a freak show.

Your the hypocrite lady. Go and bother some other poor new pserson for a while. I need a break already.

What are you talking about? I have no idea how you have come to this conclusion. Mind explaining?

 

[sevenz]

What are you talking about? I have no idea how you have come to this conclusion. Mind explaining?

If the Bible was proven to be true to me then I would be seriously depressed.

No, because my spiritual reality is so much better. I find it difficult to respect the God that is described in the Bible and I don't like many aspects of Christianity, which often seem shallow an insensible. So I'd be pretty disappointed if it happened to be reality. Luckily, I believe that the Bible as reality is incredibly unlikely so I'm not worried

Very open mimded of you. Okay hypocrite. Get the picture???.

 

[Madhuri]

Very open mimded of you. Okay hypocrite. Get the picture???.

Actually I'm a pretty open minded person. It took a lot of studying and involvement with Christianity before I came to my conclusion. I could not bring myself to believe in teh God as depicted in the Bible with the knowledge I have from other perspectives. I've actually put some effort into religious studies. Oh, and when I say that I don't just mean 'Christian' and 'Non-Christian' as Christianity only represents one religion of hundreds, if not thousands of very diverse religions.

 

[sevenz]

If you actually believe that God wrote the Bible, then I should think that you would behave with a bit more respect towards its tenets...

The point is exactly that, my behaviour has nothing to do with it, you are ignoring the original post. And by the way, I am allowed to defend my self, people who believe the bible is the word of God, are not door mats, nor are they God, or divine anelic beings, we are simply believers. I've done nothing wrong - you are just severly judgmenetal. I cant do nothin about that, I was that way myself and missed seeing the truth for at least a decade longer because of how I assumed and expected so called Christians to act, and when it wasn't up to my dinine standards I rejected it. This is a very childish self centered space to be in. You wont learn anything with this attitude, and I'm not going to waste my time debating with you and people like you who have this huge chip on their shoulders.

And yet I don't see that happening. Is their faith non-existent (and there are no true christians)? Or is their faith real and God doesn't care about the tenets in the Bible? Or is there no God? Choose wisely.

You dont want to see it happening either - I have offered you irreftutabel proof, you arent interested pal. Thats obvious

You have irrefutable proof that God wrote the Bible? Where? How come this information isn't on CNN right now?

Because satan runs CNN and all the major media outlets.

I don't have any resentments towards Christians. I frankly don't care enough about past slights real or perceived to be able to muster resentment for a whole group of people. I do, however, find the public stances of self-styled Christians on the television and internet to be reprehensible. Since when does bombing an abortion clinic constitute loving your neighbor as yourself

.

Televison Chrstianity is not Christianity, its business.

Hate speech? At what point have I said anything which is anything but unvarnished truth? The crusades happened. Deal with it.
The crusades is a cop out. You deal with it. I dont have the issue

Edit: I am judgmental? Yes, because I am the one going around telling people that they should be more like me... I judge people by the effect they have on my community and society at large. Everyone does. I don't always act on this (some what to my own dismay), but never do I allow this to make me into someone who infringes upon the freedoms of another. So you can try and turn this back upon me all you like, but in the end I am content with who I am and my conscience is clear.

Umm good but Im not in your community, Im in this community. Try and stay focused on the topic youve taken way out into la la land.

MTF

 

[sevenz]

Actually I'm a pretty open minded person. It took a lot of studying and involvement with Christianity before I came to my conclusion. I could not bring myself to believe in teh God as depicted in the Bible with the knowledge I have from other perspectives. I've actually put some effort into religious studies. Oh, and when I say that I don't just mean 'Christian' and 'Non-Christian' as Christianity only represents one religion of hundreds, if not thousands of very diverse religions.

Great we wil leave it there then. ALL the best to you.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Very open mimded of you. Okay hypocrite. Get the picture???.

Back off. You're making a fool of yourself.

 

[sevenz]

Back off. You're making a fool of yourself.

Pardon???? I will do not such thing, whats your beef with me Jihadi??? Oh I see. Never mind. Carry on. As you where. I thought were Jihadi with that funny writing. Come to start a holy war or something.

Anyway. Go away.

I dont need me to make a fool of myself ya know. I need people like you to do that.