Hypcorisy, is it healthy?

[Tmac]

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see, do as I say not as I do, no doesn't always mean no, all sired by hypocrisy. This is the minefield into which we are born. These are the lessons we teach tomorrow. There is no exception to "we".

To be oblivious to tomorrow is an indication to the degree by which one could measure the understanding and awareness of the God in which we claim to believe.

What is the origin of hypocrisy and why did we create it?

Do you think we should let hypocrisy pass into tomorrow?

We are the creators and gate keepers of tomorrow, it has never happened before, its a clean canvass.

 

[Nakosis]

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see, do as I say not as I do, no doesn't always mean no, all sired by hypocrisy. This is the minefield into which we are born. These are the lessons we teach tomorrow. There is no exception to "we".

To be oblivious to tomorrow is an indication to the degree by which one could measure the understanding and awareness of the God in which we claim to believe.

What is the origin of hypocrisy and why did we create it?

Do you think we should let hypocrisy pass into tomorrow?

We are the creators and gate keepers of tomorrow, it has never happened before, its a clean canvass.

Well you could always claim to have no moral standards and be done with hypocrisy.

 

[sayak83]

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see, do as I say not as I do, no doesn't always mean no, all sired by hypocrisy. This is the minefield into which we are born. These are the lessons we teach tomorrow. There is no exception to "we".

To be oblivious to tomorrow is an indication to the degree by which one could measure the understanding and awareness of the God in which we claim to believe.

What is the origin of hypocrisy and why did we create it?

Do you think we should let hypocrisy pass into tomorrow?

We are the creators and gate keepers of tomorrow, it has never happened before, its a clean canvass.

No hypocrisy is not healthy and one should avoid it. The rest of your post flew over my head.

 

[Augustus]

What is the origin of hypocrisy and why did we create it?

Our brain makes us hypocrites. We cannot help but be due to the way our cognitive functions evolved.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Our brain makes us hypocrites. We cannot help but be due to the way our cognitive functions evolved.

Interesting. That does seem to be the case. One minute I'm making a driving mistake and the next I cannot believe the stupidity of someone else who makes the same mistake. Every time I can't find something I wonder if its been stolen. When I bang my head on a cabinet my first impulse is to punch the cabinet.

 

[The Holy Bottom Burp]

As hypocrisy is a form of dishonesty, even unconscious dishonesty because of cultural influences, it is hard to see why or how it could be "a good thing". I'm all for intellectual honesty, I have to make a mental effort, to fight my ego and admit "Hold on, I've just said or done something I'd judge others for in a negative way". It doesn't come "naturally", it is a discipline but it keeps the unreasonable A-hole in me in check.
Hypocrisy grows out of the ego, the ego is just part of the natural competitiveness we have evolved, and competitiveness is not a bad thing, but if we want to live in a civilised world it has to be controlled. Otherwise the weak and the vulnerable tend to get trampled on.

 

[Curious George]

As hypocrisy is a form of dishonesty, even unconscious dishonesty because of cultural influences, it is hard to see why or how it could be "a good thing". I'm all for intellectual honesty, I have to make a mental effort, to fight my ego and admit "Hold on, I've just said or done something I'd judge others for in a negative way". It doesn't come "naturally", it is a discipline but it keeps the unreasonable A-hole in me in check.
Hypocrisy grows out of the ego, the ego is just part of the natural competitiveness we have evolved, and competitiveness is not a bad thing, but if we want to live in a civilised world it has to be controlled. Otherwise the weak and the vulnerable tend to get trampled on.

Can we impugn charater for "unconscious dishonesty?"

 

[The Holy Bottom Burp]

Can we impugn charater for "unconscious dishonesty?"

Good question, can you blame someone for something they may not be aware they are doing? It may just be what they have grown up with, just part of their cultural heritage (like Arabs and Israelis have a long cultural "rivalry", they accuse each other of unjust and aggressive behaviour they engage in themselves). How many in that situation are blind to the hypocrisy they engage in, how many genuinely believe it is a "holy" struggle, and can you "impugn character" for that?

I don't think so, it is a little pointless and likely to push the people you "impugn" further into their shell of certainty. Gentle but persistent persuasion is the more sensible path, and just hope you can change a few minds during life's short journey. I'm talking from a personal point of view there, nothing more.

 

[Curious George]

Good question, can you blame someone for something they may not be aware they are doing? It may just be what they have grown up with, just part of their cultural heritage (like Arabs and Israelis have a long cultural "rivalry", they accuse each other of unjust and aggressive behaviour they engage in themselves). How many in that situation are blind to the hypocrisy they engage in, how many genuinely believe it is a "holy" struggle, and can you "impugn character" for that?

I don't think so, it is a little pointless and likely to push the people you "impugn" further into their shell of certainty. Gentle but persistent persuasion is the more sensible path, and just hope you can change a few minds during life's short journey. I'm talking from a personal point of view there, nothing more.

My point was that dishonesty as a label does attack character. While the word allows for such a construction, I think mistaken is a more neutral term. I understand that the term dishonest doesn't necessitate intent, but it certainly carries that connotation from my pov.

 

[Tmac]

Well you could always claim to have no moral standards and be done with hypocrisy.

Actually, hypocrisy is a behavior, the motive to be determined. Like now, you've choosen

Well you could always claim to have no moral standards and be done with hypocrisy.

Well you could always claim to have no moral standards and be done with hypocrisy.

Actually hypocrisy is a behavior, the motive to be determined, like now you chosen to be flippant, why? I hope you get some reward for your effort.

 

[Tmac]

No hypocrisy is not healthy and one should avoid it. The rest of your post flew over my head.

Well at least you recognized that "something" flew over your head.

 

[Tmac]

Our brain makes us hypocrites. We cannot help but be due to the way our cognitive functions evolved.

Nonsense, true our brain functions in a certain manner, we are all variations of a theme, but we learn, consciously or unconsciously to become who we show to each other; we have the power to unlearn.

No disrespect but I would classify this as a case of some one lying to themselves.

 

[Tmac]

Interesting. That does seem to be the case. One minute I'm making a driving mistake and the next I cannot believe the stupidity of someone else who makes the same mistake. Every time I can't find something I wonder if its been stolen. When I bang my head on a cabinet my first impulse is to punch the cabinet.

Our brain "makes" us hypocrites? Please, is this now usurping 'the devil made me do it'? Does this make the brain in control? Is the brain and mind the same thing? No wonder the concept of zombies is in vogue.

 

[Augustus]

Nonsense, true our brain functions in a certain manner, we are all variations of a theme, but we learn, consciously or unconsciously to become who we show to each other; we have the power to unlearn.

No disrespect but I would classify this as a case of some one lying to themselves.

You don't have to take my word for it. Why everybody (else) is a hypocrite by Robert Kurzban is a good text by an evolutionary psychologist that explains the science behind it.

Why Everyone (Else) is a Hypocrite: Evolution and the Modular Mind

While it is true that we can learn/unlearn behaviours, both positive and negative, we are still limited by our genetic make up. The way our brain functions makes us inconsistent, biased and self-deceptive, there is a limit to how much we can overcome this via self-awareness.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Our brain "makes" us hypocrites? Please, is this now usurping 'the devil made me do it'? Does this make the brain in control? Is the brain and mind the same thing? No wonder the concept of zombies is in vogue.

What silly assumptions.

 

[The Holy Bottom Burp]

My point was that dishonesty as a label does attack character. While the word allows for such a construction, I think mistaken is a more neutral term. I understand that the term dishonest doesn't necessitate intent, but it certainly carries that connotation from my pov.

Fair enough, I think you have a point; a hypocrite who is completely unaware that he/she is engaging in hypocritical activity is better described as "mistaken" rather than dishonest.

 

[Tmac]

As hypocrisy is a form of dishonesty, even unconscious dishonesty because of cultural influences, it is hard to see why or how it could be "a good thing". I'm all for intellectual honesty, I have to make a mental effort, to fight my ego and admit "Hold on, I've just said or done something I'd judge others for in a negative way". It doesn't come "naturally", it is a discipline but it keeps the unreasonable A-hole in me in check.
Hypocrisy grows out of the ego, the ego is just part of the natural competitiveness we have evolved, and competitiveness is not a bad thing, but if we want to live in a civilised world it has to be controlled. Otherwise the weak and the vulnerable tend to get trampled on.

All behavior is learned, conscious or unconscious and evaluated. Good or bad, honest or dishonest are concepts that put focus on the motive of the doer, I prefer to judge just the behavior, it is either evaluated positive or negative by those that experience the behavior. (The doer of the behavior can evaluate the behavior as to how it is received.)
All behavior can be unlearned, refined or cultivated.

The ego, the proverbial fall guy, I know its hard but there was a time before hypocrisy when the ego had no idea how to think of itself as better than; some how it became aware of how it behaved and how the behavior could be improved, it wasn't considered a problem, then. It has evolved into a problem because it has become an accepted form of behavior, we do it because everyone does it.
It is written, "A house divided soon falls", we are the house, if there is a major difference between what we say and what we do, how can we be taken seriously? And if you were to have a sense of self, how could you take yourself seriously?

 

[Augustus]

I know its hard but there was a time before hypocrisy

When was this time? The Cretaceous Period?

 

[sayak83]

All behavior is learned, conscious or unconscious and evaluated. Good or bad, honest or dishonest are concepts that put focus on the motive of the doer, I prefer to judge just the behavior, it is either evaluated positive or negative by those that experience the behavior. (The doer of the behavior can evaluate the behavior as to how it is received.)
All behavior can be unlearned, refined or cultivated.

The ego, the proverbial fall guy, I know its hard but there was a time before hypocrisy when the ego had no idea how to think of itself as better than; some how it became aware of how it behaved and how the behavior could be improved, it wasn't considered a problem, then. It has evolved into a problem because it has become an accepted form of behavior, we do it because everyone does it.
It is written, "A house divided soon falls", we are the house, if there is a major difference between what we say and what we do, how can we be taken seriously? And if you were to have a sense of self, how could you take yourself seriously?

I don't like people who take themselves seriously.

 

[Nakosis]

Actually hypocrisy is a behavior, the motive to be determined, like now you chosen to be flippant, why? I hope you get some reward for your effort.

Actually it's a little deeper than that.

hypocrisy: a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.

See, I don't pretend to have a virtuous moral character. I am who I am. Not necessarily good or bad, just me. So I avoid the pretense, no hypocrisy.
Easy.