Tmac
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When was this time? The Cretaceous Period?
No, as recent as your youth or do you think you were born a hypocrite?
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Hypcorisy, is it healthy?
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No, as recent as your youth or do you think you were born a hypocrite?
Hypocrisy is a person expecting the world to be a certain way but unwilling or unable to do the same themselves. I'd say not healthy.
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Tmac
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The simpleness of your definition is beautiful, thank you, you helped me see it in its parts, no baggage, emotional or moral.
I would change 'unwilling or unable' to not hold themselves to the same expectations. We are taught, from the earliest age to be hypocritical and it is validated by the very society we live in. This is where Jesus would say some thing like forgive them for the know not what they do. Humanity as a whole is probably at its adolescent stage and we're still learning but teacher's are few and far between.
I wasn't taught to be hypocritical. Not seen many people who are hypocrites either. You have a different experience?
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Shadow Link
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I think we're so use to hypocrisy we frame it as a joke in order to remain sane.
No, hypocrisy is not healthy at all. Also, it hurts other people besides oneself.
Mainly as a misguided attempt to deal with insecurity.
Mainly as a misguided attempt to deal with insecurity.
Tmac
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Yes, it has become a part of our make up, we are born clean, pure then we start to imprint, we don't know that behaviors have consequences, we just learn the behavior and then learn to behave in that manner. Like smoking, when I was a kid, everyone smoked, it was everywhere and in a moment of idleness you might be tempted to try it (It was hard to learn but I forced myself to become a cool smoker) but hypocrisy is woven into how we learned to be who we are, although it has psychological ramifications, we can't put the two together.
Tmac
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Knowing that it is not healthy for us and other's, are you moved to want to do something about it? It is why we don't trust each other.
It's hard to look at the origin of a behavior after you've been doing it for thousands of years, I like to give my ancestor the benefit of the thought. I see it originally as one's image of how they would like to see themselves and I'm sure originally there was a method on how to make it so attached. Today, we all learn the first part but it seems one must realize the pain of this behavior in order to seek the second part.
Tmac
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Are you trying to tell me that ignorance is bliss?
I am questioning your presumption that hypocrisy is a widespread trait and a widely practiced trait among people.
It used to said that the difference between H sap and the other animals was that we had a monopoly on hypocrisy.
But I'm reminded of a chimp experiment on TV a few years back. The alpha chimp has an alpha's sense of owning the banana on the table. The other chimp would like the banana right now.
So, wishing to avoid a confrontation with the alpha, he looks innocent and waits until he can see that he and the banana are out of the alpha's line of sight. Then he grabs the banana and clears out.
That is, he's pretending to be one thing while waiting his chance to be the other. Hypocrisy without words.
(The experiment's also interesting because our chimp demonstrates the ability to put himself mentally in the position of the alpha in order to make this tactic work. Bless those mirror neurons!)
One form of hypocrisy, then, is dissembling.
Another, apparently more human, form is going the extra mile and publicly condemning your own beloved vice.
Isn't it a great privilege to be a primate!
Tmac
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And I am questioning your honesty; I feel as though you are deliberately being obtuse.
(I don't think trait is used properly in this instance.)
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I think there's a difference between hypocrisy and changes in views brought about through circumstances and dynamics by which a person would oppose his former position.
Sometimes it's hard to distinguish that.
"widely practiced behavior" . Using trait twice was a mistake.
Why do you think I am being obtuse? I don't believe hypocrisy is rampant in humans. Most people I know or have interact with have not been hypocritical in what they say and do and how they lead their lives. Do you have any actual evidence to claim otherwise as you are doing on this thread?
Tmac
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A difference between the two, indeed; why would anyone oppose their former position? That like saying, this view became a view on its own, totally independent of the previous view, its not hypocritical to change a view.
Tmac
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Would you say that the people you interact with love one another, that is to say that they want everyone to be as happy as they are? Now the question becomes what is understood by "everyone" and just how far are they willing to go to see that "everyone" is experiencing this happiness.
The difference is hypocrisy.
Why would wanting others to be happy obligate a person to work to secure that happiness for others? One may want others to be happy through their own effort believing each person is ultimately responsible for their own life and how it goes.
Tmac
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As to the first part, happiness, real happiness, wants to experienced by everyone and the one that experiences true happiness is one with it, no obligation or work, happiness can not be secured, only experienced.
As to the second part, no one will ever experience life and all that is within it, as I have and yet all lives are full. We all start equal but we all don't start from the same position.
Your subjective opinion. You are welcome to it. What does this have to do with hypocrisy? It seemed you changed the topic. Why should one believe your premise that hypocrisy is widespread among people? Your first response was rebutted.