I Am A Christian!

[Tranquil Servant]

The law was given to show man's sin,and reliance on him, Christ gave us freedom from the law! You do not need to be a scientist and know the earths dimentions to be a Christian, you certainly were not given the power to damn anyone to hell, slavery and stoning were not Christ's teachings at all, You are not a Christian for what you do or do not believe, it is for who you believe in. Christians get a bad rap for how people have mis-used Christian doctrines and created their own Christ.it is the same for many religions, keep hold to your love for God's word and you just cannot go wrong.

Like I said....Amen sistah!!
Preach it girl!!:clap

 

[Me Myself]

Like I said....Amen sistah!!
Preach it girl!!:clap

Like I said, the bible is against women preaching. If you prefer Jesus than Paul though, by all means disregard me. Mainstream Christianity usually pretends they have no contradictions.

 

[Tranquil Servant]

Like I said, the bible is against women preaching. If you prefer Jesus than Paul though, by all means disregard me. Mainstream Christianity usually pretends they have no contradictions.

Christ teaches submission not oppression.

 

[Me Myself]

Christ teaches submission not oppression.

the bible still goes against women preaching if you check Paul´s letters. Would you say Christ would disagree with Paul on that?

 

[ChristineES]

the bible still goes against women preaching if you check Paul´s letters. Would you say Christ would disagree with Paul on that?

Paul actually didn't say one word about women preaching. What he said to Timothy (Timothy was one person, btw)was that women should keep quiet but that doesn't actually mean that they can't preach. I heard a reference to that verse before stating that women used to chatter about non-relevant things during that time- which is probably what he meant.
Paul said a lot of things that Jesus didn't teach in the Gospels. Jesus told the "woman at the well" (in John) to go tell people about Him. If I understand that, that means He asked her to preach.
Paul wrote his letters to certain groups of people, so it would be very easy to misconstrue the meaning.

 

[ChristineES]

The law was given to show man's sin,and reliance on him, Christ gave us freedom from the law! You do not need to be a scientist and know the earths dimensions to be a Christian, you certainly were not given the power to damn anyone to hell, slavery and stoning were not Christ's teachings at all, You are not a Christian for what you do or do not believe, it is for who you believe in. Christians get a bad rap for how people have misused Christian doctrines and created their own Christ.it is the same for many religions, keep hold to your love for God's word and you just cannot go wrong.

Thanks.

 

[Tranquil Servant]

the bible still goes against women preaching if you check Paul´s letters. Would you say Christ would disagree with Paul on that?

When women submit to Christ it would mean that they would try to obey his teachings including submitting to their husband but when 2 people become husband and wife they become one and both have responsibilities and obligations to which they have to abide by but that doesn't mean women aren't allowed to teach God's word.

You know what they say.....Behind every great man...!!
Wives and Husbands

21 Honor Christ and put others first. 22 A wife should put her husband first, as she does the Lord. 23 A husband is the head of his wife, as Christ is the head and the Savior of the church, which is his own body. 24 Wives should always put their husbands first, as the church puts Christ first.
25 A husband should love his wife as much as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it. 26 He made the church holy by the power of his word, and he made it pure by washing it with water. 27 Christ did this, so that he would have a glorious and holy church, without faults or spots or wrinkles or any other flaws.
28 In the same way, a husband should love his wife as much as he loves himself. A husband who loves his wife shows that he loves himself. 29 None of us hate our own bodies. We provide for them and take good care of them, just as Christ does for the church, 30 because we are each part of his body. 31 As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother to get married, and he becomes like one person with his wife.” 32 This is a great mystery, but I understand it to mean Christ and his church. 33 So each husband should love his wife as much as he loves himself, and each wife should respect her husband.---Ephesians 5


Which do you think is worse? A women who teaches God's word..or a man who abuses and oppresses his wife..

 

[Tranquil Servant]

Paul actually didn't say one word about women preaching. What he said to Timothy (Timothy was one person, btw)was that women should keep quiet but that doesn't actually mean that they can't preach. I heard a reference to that verse before stating that women used to chatter about non-relevant things during that time- which is probably what he meant.
Paul said a lot of things that Jesus didn't teach in the Gospels. Jesus told the "woman at the well" (in John) to go tell people about Him. If I understand that, that means He asked her to preach.
Paul wrote his letters to certain groups of people, so it would be very easy to misconstrue the meaning.

Great point!!:clap

 

[Me Myself]

Paul actually didn't say one word about women preaching. What he said to Timothy (Timothy was one person, btw)was that women should keep quiet but that doesn't actually mean that they can't preach. I heard a reference to that verse before stating that women used to chatter about non-relevant things during that time- which is probably what he meant.
Paul said a lot of things that Jesus didn't teach in the Gospels. Jesus told the "woman at the well" (in John) to go tell people about Him. If I understand that, that means He asked her to preach.
Paul wrote his letters to certain groups of people, so it would be very easy to misconstrue the meaning.

1 Timothy 2:11-12

Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

Paul is very clearly saying women should not teach men.

 

[Me Myself]

furthermore:

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. ...

 

[ChristineES]

1 Timothy 2:11-12

Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

Paul is very clearly saying women should not teach men.

Paul said it but Jesus said otherwise, as I had mentioned in my post. What about Deborah? She was a judge in the book of Judges and a Prophetess. And there are more examples. As I said, Paul's letters were written to certain groups of people and they were probably never meant to be scripture- as they were letters.

 

[Me Myself]

Paul said it but Jesus said otherwise, as I had mentioned in my post. What about Deborah? She was a judge in the book of Judges and a Prophetess. And there are more examples. As I said, Paul's letters were written to certain groups of people and they were probably never meant to be scripture- as they were letters.

Most mainstream Christians need the bible to be the infallible word of God, and that includes every book in it.

But sure, I wouldn´t be one of them anyways. The way I see it, you are a form of christian.

 

[Lady B]

Most mainstream Christians need the bible to be the infallible word of God, and that includes every book in it.

But sure, I wouldn´t be one of them anyways. The way I see it, you are a form of christian.

I don't mean to step on any toes here let alone a fellow Christians.....But In all due respect, Paul did in no way contradict Christ in his teachings. Paul was setting up churches the way God wants them. It is true the bible clearly teaches women should not hold a pastoral place of leadership above men. This does not mean women are not or cannot hold a significant place in the church, or that they cannot teach, It means only in the making of a church there shall be a leader of men and this should not be a woman.why? This is not really explained. It is how God intended. Women do have a huge place in churches and we are free to evangelize and minister of course.

Before you attack me look deep inside yourselves,If you were in a burning building and you had the choice between a woman or a man to save you, what would you choose? I would choose a man, not for his strength but for God gave men a special leadership ability, or maybe because he has nothing else in his mind but to save and be a hero. I am not sure the why and what fors, but God is sure.God made woman equal to man ? Yes, but he also assigned us roles , we are nurturers, we are helpmates, we are mothers, we are lovers, we are heroines we are teachers, we are all and more. Men well they are men......God Designed them to be leaders, God made Adam , God saw Adam needed a helpmate, so he made Eve. Did God make Eve to show Adam how it's done? No God made Eve to be a helpmate.to expound on biblical submission, yes woman are to submit to their own husbands,This does not mean we have no voice, It means in the end he should have the final say,I wish we choose our mates well enough we can trust him in this.....Now Look at God's command for the men. Love your wives more then yourself and give your life for her! Wow, what a responsibility really! I prefer my role Thanks God. Can you imagine the burden put on men from God?

Women's rights are all good, I don't wish we go back in time to be considered the lower class. Men throughout history have surely taken advantage of the roles of women and in God's name.God also did not intend this. As Christine pointed out women were not of little mind in the Bible at all, Jesus thought highly of women and at his crucifixion he asked his apostles to take care of his mother.

Women in some countries are not allowed out of house. They have little or no place in society,This is not in any way God's commandments and should be fought for. But his church , He has given us his word in this and we are wise to submit even we know not the reasons. Regardless there are many sects of the Christian church that do not heed the biblical standards and appoint women as pastors, My aunt is a Methodist preacher. That is how they choose to interpret God's word and may God have mercy on them and us all.
IMHO....

 

[Me Myself]

I don't mean to step on any toes here let alone a fellow Christians.....But In all due respect, Paul did in no way contradict Christ in his teachings. Paul was setting up churches the way God wants them. It is true the bible clearly teaches women should not hold a pastoral place of leadership above men. This does not mean women are not or cannot hold a significant place in the church, or that they cannot teach, It means only in the making of a church there shall be a leader of men and this should not be a woman.why? This is not really explained. It is how God intended. Women do have a huge place in churches and we are free to evangelize and minister of course.

The verse doesnt say that women aren´t allowed to teach IN CHURCHES. The verse says women aren´t allowed to teach or have ANY authority over men. Then it goes on saing that this is because Adam was made first and Eve was the one deceived.

I am sorry but it is extremely clear.

 

[Katzpur]

I am a Christian:
Am I supposed to hate certain people?
Am I supposed to agree with slavery?
Am I supposed to believe the earth is flat and only 6,000 years old?
Am I supposed to judge people and tell them they are going to "hell"?
Am I supposed to throw stones at other faiths and such?

And since I do none of those things, does that mean I am a bad Christian?

I guess so, Christine. May I have the privilege of being a bad Christian along with you?

 

[Lady B]

The verse doesnt say that women aren´t allowed to teach IN CHURCHES. The verse says women aren´t allowed to teach or have ANY authority over men. Then it goes on saing that this is because Adam was made first and Eve was the one deceived.

I am sorry but it is extremely clear.

Do you have a reference for this verse please? if you are speaking about the verse that says" woman should not be teachers of men" this is absoluly pertaining to the church. If you are speaking of another verse that I am unaware of, do enlighten me.

 

[Tranquil Servant]

I don't mean to step on any toes here let alone a fellow Christians.....But In all due respect, Paul did in no way contradict Christ in his teachings. Paul was setting up churches the way God wants them. It is true the bible clearly teaches women should not hold a pastoral place of leadership above men. This does not mean women are not or cannot hold a significant place in the church, or that they cannot teach, It means only in the making of a church there shall be a leader of men and this should not be a woman.why? This is not really explained. It is how God intended. Women do have a huge place in churches and we are free to evangelize and minister of course.

Before you attack me look deep inside yourselves,If you were in a burning building and you had the choice between a woman or a man to save you, what would you choose? I would choose a man, not for his strength but for God gave men a special leadership ability, or maybe because he has nothing else in his mind but to save and be a hero. I am not sure the why and what fors, but God is sure.God made woman equal to man ? Yes, but he also assigned us roles , we are nurturers, we are helpmates, we are mothers, we are lovers, we are heroines we are teachers, we are all and more. Men well they are men......God Designed them to be leaders, God made Adam , God saw Adam needed a helpmate, so he made Eve. Did God make Eve to show Adam how it's done? No God made Eve to be a helpmate.to expound on biblical submission, yes woman are to submit to their own husbands,This does not mean we have no voice, It means in the end he should have the final say,I wish we choose our mates well enough we can trust him in this.....Now Look at God's command for the men. Love your wives more then yourself and give your life for her! Wow, what a responsibility really! I prefer my role Thanks God. Can you imagine the burden put on men from God?

Women's rights are all good, I don't wish we go back in time to be considered the lower class. Men throughout history have surely taken advantage of the roles of women and in God's name.God also did not intend this. As Christine pointed out women were not of little mind in the Bible at all, Jesus thought highly of women and at his crucifixion he asked his apostles to take care of his mother.

Women in some countries are not allowed out of house. They have little or no place in society,This is not in any way God's commandments and should be fought for. But his church , He has given us his word in this and we are wise to submit even we know not the reasons. Regardless there are many sects of the Christian church that do not heed the biblical standards and appoint women as pastors, My aunt is a Methodist preacher. That is how they choose to interpret God's word and may God have mercy on them and us all.
IMHO....

Lady B...you R an inspiration!!:clap
I tried to give you a frubal but the site wouldn't let me (I guess I gave you too many)

 

[Me Myself]

Do you have a reference for this verse please? if you are speaking about the verse that says" woman should not be teachers of men" this is absoluly pertaining to the church. If you are speaking of another verse that I am unaware of, do enlighten me.

Yes, it´s that verse, but it is not talking specifically about church. Look at it yourself:

I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10 but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works. 11 Let a woman learn quietly owith all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 qFor Adam was formed first, rthen Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but sthe woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in ufaith and love and holiness, with self-control.

It cannot be clearer.

 

[ron4711]

I am a Christian:
Am I supposed to hate certain people?
Am I supposed to agree with slavery?
Am I supposed to believe the earth is flat and only 6,000 years old?
Am I supposed to judge people and tell them they are going to "hell"?
Am I supposed to throw stones at other faiths and such?

And since I do none of those things, does that mean I am a bad Christian?

It does not matter what you do not do. You are defined by your actions.

 

[Lady B]

Yes, it´s that verse, but it is not talking specifically about church. Look at it yourself:

I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10 but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works. 11 Let a woman learn quietly owith all submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. 13 qFor Adam was formed first, rthen Eve; 14 and Adam was not deceived, but sthe woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 15 Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in ufaith and love and holiness, with self-control.

It cannot be clearer.

your correct, It is very clear that this is indeed speaking of the roles of women in church. timothy 2. :yes: