I am a Quranist

[Union]

Brother Union
Please note nowhere in the Noble Quraan did Allah ever mention that you must establish 3 obligatory prayers.
At the same token nowhere did Allah Almighty ever mention that 5 prayers are obligatory.
Further nowhere did Almighty give names to any particular prayer.All that we read in the Noble Quraan is the time when
we should establish the prayer.
Salatul Fajr .......in english.....dawn prayer......refers to the time of the prayer.
Slaltul Isha.........in english.....night prayer.......refers to the time of the prayer.
Salatul Wusta....in english...middle prayer......refers to a prayer in the middle of all obligatory prayers.
Wusta actually gives us a clue that the prayers are an odd number 3 or 5 or 7.
Now what you have done is calling the middle prayer Wusta.Please read this verse on "Wusta".
:"Guard strictly your prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind)"
Middle Prayer in Arabic.....Salatul Wusta.
In this verse we are asked to guard against the Middle Prayer.So the question is which is the middle prayer.
The verse does not tell you the time of the middle prayer.Hence you are only left with 2 prayers from Quraan.
Please prove to us which is your middle prayer and the time you establish that Middle Prayer from the Noble Quraan.

Salam Farouk . What you brought above is valid .Now let us see the timing of Middle (Wusta) Salah . As we have already known that Wusta is not the name of any part of the day , hence ALLAH (swt) must have used this term to define its position and in turns to guide us where this Salah should be suited to . As we have seen that in Qur’an , there mentioned two Salah in terms of time of a day , hence this Wusta Salah must be sited in between them . Now the question is which part of the day? There is no doubt that it is situated between Dawn and Dusk , but to get the range of time , Almighty ALLAH , has guided us with the following noble verses :

[062:009] O true believers, when ye are called to prayer on the day of the assembly, hasten to the commemoration of God, and leave merchandizing. This will be better for you, is ye knew it.

[062:010] And when prayer is ended, then disperse yourselves through the land as ye list, and seek gain of the liberality of God: And remember God frequently, that ye may prosper.

According to the above mentioned verses, there is a Salah in a time of a day when the businesses start with full swing and also there will be enough time after the completion of Salah to disperse for more business . Therefore this time needs to be in somewhere in noon where the business is in peak speed and halfway far to be dark to make enough business again . Also , as per the verse , this special Salah should be in the Day of Jummah (assembly) only , when Muslim will gather in flock .

Hope that helps .

Now lets look at the verse again.
"And establish prayer at the two ends of the day and at the approach of the night."
So logically" the two ends of the day" cannot refer to the prayer at dawn because you agree its the beginning of day.
What we can derive from this verse is that the day has two ends.Similarly it has to have two beginning.
Logically look at dawn.When does dawn start and when does dawn ends?
Dawn starts when night ends and dawn ends when the sun rises.Dawn is a part of night and a part of day.
Hence dawn is your first beginning of day and after sun rise is your second beginning.
Now lets look at the other side with same logic.
Before the sun sets its the first end of day and after the sun sets its your second end of the day.
This verse actually calls for the establishment of two prayers.
The first prayer is before the sun sets and the other is after the sun sets.
Remember the verse says at the approach of the night.Which means before the night prayer.

Taraf does mean the extreme points . For example Taraf of a rope is its two ends . Hence Traaf An Nahar means two extreme points of the days , i.e., the Dawn and the Dusk .

Lets look at another verse.
"Establish prayer at the decline of the sun [from its meridian] until the darkness of the night and [also] the Qur'an of dawn. Indeed, the recitation of dawn is ever witnessed."
This verse commands us to establish a prayer after midday.

So what we have.so far.
1.Dawn prayer.
2.After midday prayer.
3.Before the sun set prayer.
4.At the approach of night prayer.
5.Night prayer.

Salaams.

Can't get this part at all .

 

[faroukfarouk]

Salaams brother Union.
Brother want you to understand something very important.
In the Almightys realm there is no such a thing as time.
Time is the creation of man.The language of the Quraan is Allahs words and not mans.
Hence whenever Allah commands us to establish prayer he confirms the period when we should pray.
For example "Establish prayer at the decline of the sun" simply means we must establish a prayer as soon as the sun starts its decline.
Another example "dawn prayer" simply means there is a prayer in dawn.Logically you got to figure out when dawn begins and end.
Now i have a question for you.
Night and approach of night.
Are their time period the same or different?
Salaams

 

[Union]

Salaams brother Union.
Brother want you to understand something very important.
In the Almightys realm there is no such a thing as time.
Time is the creation of man.The language of the Quraan is Allahs words and not mans.
Hence whenever Allah commands us to establish prayer he confirms the period when we should pray.
For example "Establish prayer at the decline of the sun" simply means we must establish a prayer as soon as the sun starts its decline.
Another example "dawn prayer" simply means there is a prayer in dawn.Logically you got to figure out when dawn begins and end.
Now i have a question for you.
Night and approach of night.
Are their time period the same or different?
Salaams

Please ponder on the right meaning of the word Dhuluk = Dal-Lam-Kaf .

Now please rehearse your translation and let me know what you can get out of 17.78 . Thanks .

 

[mojtaba]

"O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess and the (children) among you who have not come of age ask your permission (before they come to your presence) on three occasions before Fajr prayer; the while ye doff your clothes for the Dhuhr; and after the Isha prayer: these are your three times of undress: outside those times it is not wrong for you or for them to move about attending to each other: thus does Allah make clear the Signs to you: for Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom."

Those three times of restrictions mentioned in the verse are :

01- Before Fajr Salah
02- During the time of Dhuhr
03- After Isha Salah .

Note that the Fajr and Isha periods are expressed here in terms of salah while Dhuhr went blank and mentioned dully as a part of a day . Should there be a Salah in Dhuhr , Almighty GOD of course mentioned it as HE did for Fajr and Isha in the same verse within the same context .

Salat Az-Zohr is mentioned in the following verse,

فَسُبْحَانَ اللَّـهِ حِينَ تُمْسُونَ وَ حِينَ تُصْبِحُونَ ﴿١٧﴾ وَ لَهُ الْحَمْدُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَ الْأَرْضِ وَعَشِيًّا وَ حِينَ تُظْهِرُونَ ﴿١٨﴾ ـ​

So exalted is Allah when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning. (17) And to Him is [due all] praise throughout the heavens and the earth. And [exalted is He] at night and when you are at noon. (18)

Good luck!

 

[Union]

Salat Az-Zohr is mentioned in the following verse,

فَسُبْحَانَ اللَّـهِ حِينَ تُمْسُونَ وَ حِينَ تُصْبِحُونَ ﴿١٧﴾ وَ لَهُ الْحَمْدُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَ الْأَرْضِ وَعَشِيًّا وَ حِينَ تُظْهِرُونَ ﴿١٨﴾ ـ​

So exalted is Allah when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning. (17) And to Him is [due all] praise throughout the heavens and the earth. And [exalted is He] at night and when you are at noon. (18)

Good luck!

Where did you find 'Salat' there ?

 

[mojtaba]

Where did you find 'Salat' there ?

By the use of these two following verses,

11:114
Maintain the Salat at the two ends of the day, and during the early hours of the night.

20:130
Exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and during periods of the night [exalt Him] and at the [two] ends of the day, that you may be satisfied.

Through the comparison between these two verses, we can conclude that 'exalting Allah' could means 'doing Salat'.

So, the ff verse is for Salat Az-Zohr:
Surah Rum,
So exalted is Allah when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning. (17) And to Him is [due all] praise throughout the heavens and the earth. And [exalted is He] at night and when you are at noon. (18)

 

[mojtaba]

Salaams to all.
Before i elaborate on any example are you aware that the first century of Muslims were totally against
hadiths books.The Caliphs actually destroyed books of hadiths.
Hence are you aware that they were Quranist?

Salamun Alaykum.
This is not correct. Indeed, Because the Hadiths of Prophet Muhammad were against ambitions of Abu Bakr and Umar and Uthman for Khilafah, so that, according to your authentic books, they burned all the Hadiths that there were between them the Hadiths in which Prophet has siad the appointment of Imam Ali and other eleven men from his descendant for Khilapha and leadership of Ummah. They burned Hadiths, just likes burning of the house of Lady Fatima.

The Messenger of Allah (S) said: "Lo! Soon a Hadith from me will be conveyed to a man, while he is reclining on his couch, and he says: 'Between us and you is Allah's Book. So whatever we find in it that is lawful, we consider lawful, and whatever we find in it that is unlawful, we consider it unlawful.'
Indeed whatever the Messenger of Allah (S) made unlawful, it is the same as what Allah made unlawful."

There are about more than 30-40 routes of the narrators for this Hadith.

See, [ All the Hadiths are Sahih ]
Sonan Tirmidhi, 1.Arabic, English/ 2.Arabic, English.
Sonan Ibn Majah, 1.Arabic, English/ 2.Arabic, English.
Sonan Abi Dawood, Arabic, English.
Musnad Ahmad, 1.Arabic/ 2.Arabic.
Mustadrak of Haakim, 1.Arabic, 2,Arabic.
Etc.

 

[Union]

By the use of these two following verses,

11:114
Maintain the Salat at the two ends of the day, and during the early hours of the night.

20:130
Exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and during periods of the night [exalt Him] and at the [two] ends of the day, that you may be satisfied.

Through the comparison between these two verses, we can conclude that 'exalting Allah' could means 'doing Salat'.

So, the ff verse is for Salat Az-Zohr:
Surah Rum,
So exalted is Allah when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning. (17) And to Him is [due all] praise throughout the heavens and the earth. And [exalted is He] at night and when you are at noon. (18)

If you mix up with special acts of worship ( Salat) with general acts of worship ( to glorify Him/to exalt Him) then I guess you have to engage yourself in Salat 24 hours a day and not only in 5 spots of time :


[041:038] But if they are too proud - still those who are with thy Lord glorify Him night and day, and tire not.

[021:020] They glorify (Him) night and day; they flag not.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Brother Mojtaba
Whats in your heart will always without fail come to your tongue.
Do your soul a favour and cleanse your heart by stop showing hatred for the companions of our Prophet(PBBUH).
Proof that you are wrong.
Fourth Caliph Ali bin Abu Talib gathered all the noble companions and said, "Disperse all of you and erase all Ahadith. Previous nations were destroyed for forsaking Allah's Revealed Books and following the collections of their scholars." (Mukhtasar Jaame' Bayan-il-'Ilm pg 33) - [Please read verse of Quran 25:30 too]

Brother you have been brainwashed.
What you are implying is that the all powerful mighty Allah was powerless in preventing the first three Caliphs from stealing the position from Hadrat Ali(RA).
Please read books that will increase your knowledge of deen.

 

[faroukfarouk]

"Thirty years after the death of Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him], Chief Scribe for Quranic Wahi, Zayd visited the palace of Caliph Amir Moaavia. One day Zayd told a very good story about Prophet. Caliph liked the story very much and called a person to write down that story But Zayd said, NO; Prophet strictly forbade us to write any of his hadith EXCEPT Book of Allah - Quran. Reference: Recorded in RAW HISTORY BOOK "The Sunan of Abu-Dawood" under report No. 1635 (3640)

 

[mojtaba]

If you mix up with special acts of worship ( Salat) with general acts of worship ( to glorify Him/to exalt Him) then I guess you have to engage yourself in Salat 24 hours a day and not only in 5 spots of time :


[041:038] But if they are too proud - still those who are with thy Lord glorify Him night and day, and tire not.

[021:020] They glorify (Him) night and day; they flag not.

Please try to understand.
There are specific times in the verses which I have quoted,

Surah Rum,
So exalted is Allah when you reach the evening and when you reach the morning. (17) And to Him is [due all] praise throughout the heavens and the earth.And [exalted is He] at night and when you are at noon. (18)

So your issue does not make any sense.

Waffaqakallah.

 

[mojtaba]

Brother Mojtaba
Whats in your heart will always without fail come to your tongue.
Do your soul a favour and cleanse your heart by stop showing hatred for the companions of our Prophet(PBBUH).

Salamun Alaykum dear brother.

All the Shi'its and I never hate all the companions of noble Propnet Muhammad(sawaws). Oure hearts is full of love of good Companions(Radhiyallahu Anhum wa Hasharahum Ma'a Rasulihi wa 'Aalihi). Just, we do not love those who changed the orders of Allah in Quran and Sunnah and also tortured and killed Ahlul Bayt and Lady Fatima(peace be upon them).
We also love our Sunni Muslim brothers.

But see these authentic Hadiths which are in your books,

First see this one,
Prophet Muhammad(sawaws), "Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry."(Sahih al-Bukhari)

So, see this one,
Bukhari has narrated in his book, Sahih al-Bukhari,
"Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Messenger(s) got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died."

Umar and Abu Bakr burned the house of Lady Fatima(a.s.) and killed her,(All the Hadiths are Sahih and are from Sunni authentic books. Whoever wants to ask about their authenticity, say me to prove.)

إن أبابکر آرسل إلي علي يريد البيعة ، فلم يبايع ، فجاء عمر و معه فتيلة . فتلقته فاطمة علي الباب فقالت فاطمة : يابن الخطاب ! أتراک محرّقا عليّ بابي ؟! قال : نعم ، و ذلک أقوي فيما جاء به أبوک .
انساب الاشراف، بلاذرى، ج1، ص586.​

Indeed, Abu Bakr sent a group toward Ali(a.s.) to take the oath of allegiance of himself from him. But Ali did not do. Then, Umar went to the house of Lady Fatima while a torch of fire was in his hand. So, Lady Fatima saw him at the door of her house, she then said, ' O Umar!, As I see you firing my house?!' Umar replied,' Yes, this is good for what your father have brought!'( Sobhanallah. Is the house of reveleation being burned in favour of reveleation?!, Is the house of Ahlul Bayt agains the religion of Radulallah?!, while dear Prophet has said about Ahlul Bayt that they are one of the two precious things which he has left for us and we must obey them!)
Sources,
1.Ansabul Ashraf by Bilaziri, V.1, P.586
2.Al-'Imamatu was Siyasah by Ibn Ghutaybah, V.1, P.30.
3.Tarikh Al-Tabari, V.2, P.443.
And so on...

Brother you have been brainwashed.
What you are implying is that the all powerful mighty Allah was powerless in preventing the first three Caliphs from stealing the position from Hadrat Ali(RA).
Please read books that will increase your knowledge of deen.

Brother, please do not talk like an unknowing person. This saying of you implies that you are 'Ash'ari.
Your saying remember to me this following verse,( Keep in mind that I do not mean you are Mushrik)
6:148
The polytheists will say, ‘Had Allah wished we would not have ascribed any partner [to Him], nor our fathers, nor would we have forbidden anything.’ Those who were before them had denied likewise until they tasted Our punishment. Say, ‘Do you have any [revealed] knowledge that you can produce before us? You follow nothing but conjectures, and you do nothing but surmise.’(148)

Also it is narrated from Lady Fatima(a.s.) that,
مثل الامام مثل الکعبة اِذْ تُؤْتی ولا تأتی( The example of Imam is like the example of Ka'ba towards which people should go, while it does not go towards them.)

 

[mojtaba]

Proof that you are wrong.
Fourth Caliph Ali bin Abu Talib gathered all the noble companions and said, "Disperse all of you and erase all Ahadith. Previous nations were destroyed for forsaking Allah's Revealed Books and following the collections of their scholars." (Mukhtasar Jaame' Bayan-il-'Ilm pg 33) - [Please read verse of Quran 25:30 too]

This is a big fake Hadith. Someone have made such hadiths to legitimize the burning of Hadiths and prohibition of their narration and prisoning of the narrators of the Hadiths by Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman. According to your authentic books, immediately after the death of Uthman, when Imam Ali became Khalifa, he let propagation of Hadiths of Prophet Muhammad by the Sahaba(r.a.). While in the time of Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, narration of Hadiths were prohibited.
See,

ابن سعد : حدثنا محمد بن عمر : حدثنا عبد الحميد بن جعفر ، عن أبيه ، عن زياد بن مينا ، قال : كان ابن عباس ، وابن عمر ، وأبو سعيد ، وأبو هريرة ، وجابر ، مع أشباه لهم ، يفتون بالمدينة ، ويحدثون عن رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم- من لدن توفي عثمان إلى أن توفوا. .
ابن سعد : حدثنا محمد بن عمر ، حدثنا عبد الحميد بن جعفر ، عن أبيه ، عن زياد بن ميناء ، قال : كان ابن عباس ، وأبو هريرة ، وجابر ، ورافع بن خديج ، وسلمة بن الأكوع مع أشباه لهم يفتون بالمدينة ويحدثون من لدن توفيعثمان إلى أن توفوا . ​

Ziyad Ibn Mina' has narrated,
Ibn Abbas, Abu Hurayra, Jabir, Rafi' ibn Khodayj, Salama ibn Al-Akwa' and other companions brought Fatwa in Medina and narrated Hadiths from Prophet Muhammad(saws), from the day of deat of Uthman[ i.e., during Khilafa of Imam Ali(a.s.)] to the day of their death.

Sources,
Seyr 'A'lam Al-Nobala by Shamsuddin Az-Zahabi, V.2, P.607.
Tabaqat Al-Kobra, V.2, P.272.
Tarikh Al-Islam, V.5, P.414.
And so on....

"Thirty years after the death of Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him], Chief Scribe for Quranic Wahi, Zayd visited the palace of Caliph Amir Moaavia. One day Zayd told a very good story about Prophet. Caliph liked the story very much and called a person to write down that story But Zayd said, NO; Prophet strictly forbade us to write any of his hadith EXCEPT Book of Allah - Quran. Reference: Recorded in RAW HISTORY BOOK "The Sunan of Abu-Dawood" under report No. 1635 (3640)

So why Sahaba wrote the Hadiths of Rasulullah?

Also, why did Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him and his pure progeny) order Sahaba to write his Hadiths at his last life-days?

Ibn Abbas reported:
When Allah's Messenger(S) was about to leave this world, there were persons [around him] in his house, 'Umar ibn al-Khattab being one of them. Allah's Apostle(S) said: 'Come, I may write for you a document; you would not go astray after that.'
[Sobhanallah! By Allah see the doing of Umar:]
Thereupon Umar said: 'Verily Allah's Messenger(S) is deeply afflicted with pain[ i.e., he do not know what he is saying, so that, do not obey him]. You have the Qur'an with you. The Book of Allah is sufficient for us[ i.e., we do not need to the Apostle].'
( Sahih Muslim, Arabic, English,/ Sahih Al-Bukhari)

The issue is more complexe than you think brother.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Brother Mojtaba
Please read Surah Aal-imran verse 195 and Surah At-Tawbah 100 and explain to me who this verse refers to.

 

[Arhammikhaelbosarge]

So brother Union the Caliphs were Quranist.
Do you agree with me that they interpreted the Noble Quraan via the teachings of the Messenger(PBBUH).

 

[Arhammikhaelbosarge]

This is a big fake Hadith. Someone have made such hadiths to legitimize the burning of Hadiths and prohibition of their narration and prisoning of the narrators of the Hadiths by Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman. According to your authentic books, immediately after the death of Uthman, when Imam Ali became Khalifa, he let propagation of Hadiths of Prophet Muhammad by the Sahaba(r.a.). While in the time of Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman, narration of Hadiths were prohibited.
See,

ابن سعد : حدثنا محمد بن عمر : حدثنا عبد الحميد بن جعفر ، عن أبيه ، عن زياد بن مينا ، قال : كان ابن عباس ، وابن عمر ، وأبو سعيد ، وأبو هريرة ، وجابر ، مع أشباه لهم ، يفتون بالمدينة ، ويحدثون عن رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وسلم- من لدن توفي عثمان إلى أن توفوا. .
ابن سعد : حدثنا محمد بن عمر ، حدثنا عبد الحميد بن جعفر ، عن أبيه ، عن زياد بن ميناء ، قال : كان ابن عباس ، وأبو هريرة ، وجابر ، ورافع بن خديج ، وسلمة بن الأكوع مع أشباه لهم يفتون بالمدينة ويحدثون من لدن توفيعثمان إلى أن توفوا . ​

Ziyad Ibn Mina' has narrated,
Ibn Abbas, Abu Hurayra, Jabir, Rafi' ibn Khodayj, Salama ibn Al-Akwa' and other companions brought Fatwa in Medina and narrated Hadiths from Prophet Muhammad(saws), from the day of deat of Uthman[ i.e., during Khilafa of Imam Ali(a.s.)] to the day of their death.

Sources,
Seyr 'A'lam Al-Nobala by Shamsuddin Az-Zahabi, V.2, P.607.
Tabaqat Al-Kobra, V.2, P.272.
Tarikh Al-Islam, V.5, P.414.
And so on....

So why Sahaba wrote the Hadiths of Rasulullah?

Also, why did Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him and his pure progeny) order Sahaba to write his Hadiths at his last life-days?

Ibn Abbas reported:
When Allah's Messenger(S) was about to leave this world, there were persons [around him] in his house, 'Umar ibn al-Khattab being one of them. Allah's Apostle(S) said: 'Come, I may write for you a document; you would not go astray after that.'
[Sobhanallah! By Allah see the doing of Umar:]
Thereupon Umar said: 'Verily Allah's Messenger(S) is deeply afflicted with pain[ i.e., he do not know what he is saying, so that, do not obey him]. You have the Qur'an with you. The Book of Allah is sufficient for us[ i.e., we do not need to the Apostle].'
( Sahih Muslim, Arabic, English,/ Sahih Al-Bukhari)

The issue is more complexe than you think brother.

No it's more complex than you think akhi muhummad saw pbuh elaborate where it says follow me ( totally ignore the part where it says in the Quran < something you obviously didn't read in English or archaic which says no matter how you look at it upside down hanging by the feet in any interpretation the exact concept let me just tell you. The prophet Muhammad saw pbuh says word for word basically. I am a man ( yes of course he is the final messenger of Allah swt ( but shirk if you believe you have to follow hadith do to ummmmmm Allah swt has no partner meaning it only is the main IDEA!!!! And to fix the coruption of scriptures as far as hadith I used to follow it hard core to the point it became beyond compulsive it became insane ( I believe why if you have hadith why is it needed? Several ways to do ghusl just like the prophet.... Remember not one several. Oh and whiping your a## that's a fun one real sanitary ( such as passing c diff and killing every old person that even gets near it ( you can't kill the bacteria with even rubbing alcohol but oh yeah it's Haram so is whiping your a## with your right hand but have no fear you eat with your right hand but ummmm you just whiped and cleaned your left with your right. But that's Haram so now 3 hours trying to clean your hand to get the sh# off of it. Then later you infect your self again with c diff but that's okay because surely it's sanitary ( I almost died from it....) If you touch a door knob I touch I am a carrier you can't even use the bathroom I use if it's active literally the smell will seriously put you in intensive care ( spores) now imagine touching a door I touched oh fun fact I carry hypervulent strain so once infected your now a carrier. If it doesn't kill you. I got it from a antibiotic shot and it activated ( unknown how I contracted hypervulent strain) but it's okay I am only so contagious you can't use my bathroom if I have a bacteria rise in numbers and the higher it will simply make me have diarrhea. But you antibiotics that specially designed to save your life could fail. Then you have 2 options 1. Die 2. Get a fecal transplant to make you maybe survive it but if your on antibiotics your dead most likely before it can ever even be scheduled. Trust me it's not fun you literally swallow food in a ridiculous 3 minutes diareiah to the point you have to get IVs if it don't stop. Then if that fails and antibiotics fail and fecal transplant fails you pick a nice funeral plot ( sounds fun? Scientific right? It only kills people left and right just the superbug cdiff but ummm I have hypervulent strain it's literally classified as a biological weapon.......... I can't even work around food by law. ( Spores) you even need a mask to visit me in the ER and dang near a hazmat suit. But yes whipe your a## with your hand. Oh yeah and when you pray do it over and over and over once the bacteria rises because you have to make it up but ummmm it don't count 5 prayers but theyres 3 in the Quran. I really also love taqiyah < but the Quran says not to lie and your mufti or imam will say we don't use it and shias do to protect the faith ( oppppsssss they just lied and taqiyahed you on taqiyah its self. Also just remember if you ignore a fatwa to not watch Tom and Jerry your a kuffar oh but if your not following hadith you are to but you can get alternative versions that are ( opinions) how ever your opinion actually doesn't matter sadly. Oh and zachat I starved half to death my family dissowned me I have shed blood and honestly spilled blood. But oh that's right contradictive to the Quran if I'm getting my a## kicked I need a caliphate to call me giving me even permissable reason for a defensive jihad minor as I'm getting my a## kicked. No thanks go stop listening to music and argue for 5000000000/ more years over dogs the black dog and draw multiple conclusions on what it means infact why not go full out fully ignore toilet paper and water use sand ( get nematodes in your anus) after you do it get ready clean up go do wudu in a compulsive insane 3 x everything order but oh yeah don't forget if you are in the USA about the brain eating amoeba that's in the water that can destroy your brain that they have only saved 3 people from. Death from it and it can be in chlorinated water < ignore that to its not natural wait no permissable wait no it's not natural a man has touched it run go do taymum...... Opppppsss missed sallaht now make it up but remember if you get under stress cdiff hypervulent can't re activate to the point you can die but you know it's cool because you are totally commiting suicide. Oh yes and that's actually Haram truly so is don't let your own hand lead to your destruction but the hadith to that doesn't even match but completely ignore it and also ignore the fact....... They just found actual physical proof of a Quran written and it's carbon dated rendering all that it was never written on paper a fake hadith. But they're is alot of lies in hadith but maybe you should super charge your shirk biddah and compulsion and go bat sh### crazy to the point your sanity no longer exist and you have become a full blown apostate because now when you go back to the very source you needed protected by Allah swt for you to of warned you but you have destroyed your mind to the point when you see the Quran you can't read it due to hadith has now injected your phych to interpret it differently ( when it was sent to be the only thing you followed now you are dying but you say alahu Akbar and on top of that blow your brains out from insanity. The worst isn't even over. You can accept 2 narating of this story narated by me about me related by iPhone I heard araham. Say he had hypervulent strain but he is contagious. Or narated by heard by I phone arham mentioned taqiyah then said some knowledge I heard Android say but iPhone said follow the Quran. Arwa ( fatwa metaphor) issued while your a## with sand while watching Tom and Jerry or you could simply of just read what I said...... Then followed by this I don't have hypervulent strain but I did and yes it spread that way yes it will kill you dead I almost died antibiotics ( a specially designed one killed it) but it can reactivate but hasn't I am just your akhi and I love you I don't want you to be opressed the prophet Muhammad saw pbuh wouldn't of either yet hadith would love to see you destroy your own religion because it's fake and is actually against the messanger of Allah and you are following his teachings the Quran because you are obeying Allah swt and his messenger ( key words) I could utterly destroy you in archaic Arabic if you would like shukroan for reading my comment narated by Android I heard him say shukroan but iPhone told me to just read the next verse I don't speak archaic I don't need to I have friends that speak it fluently that don't taqiyah me and know everyday words vs only for Islam. Not to mention you have no idea what I truly know neither do I know of you but I can tell you who does Allah subhananu wa'tallah and he loves you come back to him before you can't. Infact hadith is pretty much shirk biddah and even blasphemous against tahweed Allah swt alone NO PARTNER.

 

[Arhammikhaelbosarge]

Salam Farouk . What you brought above is valid .Now let us see the timing of Middle (Wusta) Salah . As we have already known that Wusta is not the name of any part of the day , hence ALLAH (swt) must have used this term to define its position and in turns to guide us where this Salah should be suited to . As we have seen that in Qur’an , there mentioned two Salah in terms of time of a day , hence this Wusta Salah must be sited in between them . Now the question is which part of the day? There is no doubt that it is situated between Dawn and Dusk , but to get the range of time , Almighty ALLAH , has guided us with the following noble verses :

[062:009] O true believers, when ye are called to prayer on the day of the assembly, hasten to the commemoration of God, and leave merchandizing. This will be better for you, is ye knew it.

[062:010] And when prayer is ended, then disperse yourselves through the land as ye list, and seek gain of the liberality of God: And remember God frequently, that ye may prosper.

According to the above mentioned verses, there is a Salah in a time of a day when the businesses start with full swing and also there will be enough time after the completion of Salah to disperse for more business . Therefore this time needs to be in somewhere in noon where the business is in peak speed and halfway far to be dark to make enough business again . Also , as per the verse , this special Salah should be in the Day of Jummah (assembly) only , when Muslim will gather in flock .

Hope that helps .



Taraf does mean the extreme points . For example Taraf of a rope is its two ends . Hence Traaf An Nahar means two extreme points of the days , i.e., the Dawn and the Dusk .

Can't get this part at all .

Look 3 positions before the sun comes up. When it's in the middle of the sky. And when it goes down. Seems logical thought about it before dawn mid day night 3 just a thought. ( Opinion I haven't checked it but it just hit me for seriously no logical reason) check it see if it would match I have to sleep

 

[Arhammikhaelbosarge]

Brother Mojtaba
Please read Surah Aal-imran verse 195 and Surah At-Tawbah 100 and explain to me who this verse refers to.

Akhi I'll tell you what to do ( on a serious level this isn't a joke okay really do this) on your next sallaht while in sujood ask Allah swt just say bismillah if hadith is fake and I am to follow the Quran alone and I ask Allah swt to not allow the accursed shaytan to trick me I ask for a sign so powerful in my mind I can not have any doubt righfully guide me to the straight path bismillah la hawlah wallah quwattah illaha billah subhanallah Ameen ( you can ask a time unlike other religions Allah swt is real so yes he will answer you inshallah I did it myself. That's how I ended up here I lost everything to be a Muslim they're is no way I will leave Islam infact if I could redo it again I would of re did it easily. I have 3 friends including relatives that talk to me and my parents. I am a 3 year old revert. Just ask for the sign it will be significant to you no matter how or what you will interpret it as hard core proof. This was mine it was just a random verse after a severe online fight with a Muslim advice chat used taqiyah on me and way out of its actual use I was different more of full blown thinking im stupid by sending me a opinion and pretending fatwa I wake up I had asked for the sign the day before BAM this is it ( remember the idea was to hit me this you will so ummmmmm hadith blah no it was meant to mean what it simply says in English it word for word answered me ( yes it's translation is not the best but anyways it just hit me) I use Quran pro but the app had been messing up it's mp3 Arabic or English/ Arabic really good app so I removed installed this it randomly sent it to me.

 

[mojtaba]

No it's more complex than you think.

1.As I proved, contrary to the first 3 Khalifs, Imam Ali (as) let the propagation of Hadiths. See post #33.

2.Allah Ta'ala says in Quran that one of the duties of Prophet Muhammad was explaining Quran for people, 16:44
We have sent to you [O Muhammad] this Reminder so that you may explain distinctly to men what was sent down to them

3.You should know that Imam Ali (as) wrote a book which was dictated by the Messenger of Allah (sawaws):

A)Sahih Al-Bukhari
Narrated Ibrahim at-Tamimi's father:
`Ali delivered a sermon saying, "We have no book to read except the Book of Allah and what is written in this book which contains verdicts regarding (retaliation for) wounds, the ages of the camels (given as Zakat or as blood money) and the fact that Medina is a sanctuary in between Air mountain to so-and-so (mountain). So, whoever innovates in it an heresy or commits a sin or gives shelter in it, to such an innovator will incur the Curse of Allah, the angels and all the people, and none of his compulsory or optional good deeds of worship will be accepted...."'

B)Al-Kafi Al-Kolayni: (Hadith is Sahih)
Muhammad ibn Moslim narrates:
‘Abu Ja’far (i.e., Imam Al-Baqir pbuh) made me read a book of the Obligations (legislated shares of inheritance) which was dictated by the Messenger of Allah (sawaws) and in the handwriting of Ali (as) by his own hand.'
(Al-Kafi, V 7, P 93)

C)Many other authentic sources.

akhi muhummad saw pbuh elaborate where it says follow me ( totally ignore the part where it says in the Quran < something you obviously didn't read in English or archaic which says no matter how you look at it upside down hanging by the feet in any interpretation the exact concept let me just tell you. The prophet Muhammad saw pbuh says word for word basically. I am a man ( yes of course he is the final messenger of Allah swt ( but shirk if you believe you have to follow hadith do to ummmmmm Allah swt has no partner meaning it only is the main IDEA!!!!

Yes, Allah Ta'ala says that Prophet Muhammad was a human. But He also says the big difference between ordinary humans and him: [18:110] Say, ‘I am just a human being like you. [But] it has been revealed to me... .'
Also, obeying the Messengers is not Shirk (polytheism), because Allah Himself has ordered us to do so, [4:80] Whoever obeys the Messenger certainly obeys Allah; and as for those who turn their backs [on you]; We have not sent you to keep watch over them.

Allah has also said: [4:59] O you who have faith! Obey Allah and obey the Apostle and those vested with authority among you [Shias believe that these are the 12 infallible Imams and Successors of Prophet from his progeny].

Allah says:
Whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from.

Why? because:
Chapter 53
By the star as it goes down. (1) Your companion [i.e., Prophet Muhammad] has not gone astray, nor has he erred. (2) Nor does he speak out of desire. (3) It [his speaking] is but a revelation revealed. (4)

So, all the sayings of Prophet Muhammad is but a revelation revealed.

And to fix the coruption of scriptures as far as hadith I used to follow it hard core to the point it became beyond compulsive it became insane ( I believe why if you have hadith why is it needed? Several ways to do ghusl just like the prophet.... Remember not one several. Oh and whiping your a## that's a fun one real sanitary ( such as passing c diff and killing every old person that even gets near it ( you can't kill the bacteria with even rubbing alcohol but oh yeah it's Haram so is whiping your a## with your right hand but have no fear you eat with your right hand but ummmm you just whiped and cleaned your left with your right. But that's Haram so now 3 hours trying to clean your hand to get the sh# off of it. Then later you infect your self again with c diff but that's okay because surely it's sanitary ( I almost died from it....) If you touch a door knob I touch I am a carrier you can't even use the bathroom I use if it's active literally the smell will seriously put you in intensive care ( spores) now imagine touching a door I touched oh fun fact I carry hypervulent strain so once infected your now a carrier. If it doesn't kill you. I got it from a antibiotic shot and it activated ( unknown how I contracted hypervulent strain) but it's okay I am only so contagious you can't use my bathroom if I have a bacteria rise in numbers and the higher it will simply make me have diarrhea. But you antibiotics that specially designed to save your life could fail. Then you have 2 options 1. Die 2. Get a fecal transplant to make you maybe survive it but if your on antibiotics your dead most likely before it can ever even be scheduled. Trust me it's not fun you literally swallow food in a ridiculous 3 minutes diareiah to the point you have to get IVs if it don't stop. Then if that fails and antibiotics fail and fecal transplant fails you pick a nice funeral plot ( sounds fun? Scientific right? It only kills people left and right just the superbug cdiff but ummm I have hypervulent strain it's literally classified as a biological weapon.......... I can't even work around food by law. ( Spores) you even need a mask to visit me in the ER and dang near a hazmat suit. But yes whipe your a## with your hand. Oh yeah and when you pray do it over and over and over once the bacteria rises because you have to make it up but ummmm it don't count 5 prayers but theyres 3 in the Quran. I really also love taqiyah < but the Quran says not to lie and your mufti or imam will say we don't use it and shias do to protect the faith ( oppppsssss they just lied and taqiyahed you on taqiyah its self. Also just remember if you ignore a fatwa to not watch Tom and Jerry your a kuffar oh but if your not following hadith you are to but you can get alternative versions that are ( opinions) how ever your opinion actually doesn't matter sadly. Oh and zachat I starved half to death my family dissowned me I have shed blood and honestly spilled blood. But oh that's right contradictive to the Quran if I'm getting my a## kicked I need a caliphate to call me giving me even permissable reason for a defensive jihad minor as I'm getting my a## kicked. No thanks go stop listening to music and argue for 5000000000/ more years over dogs the black dog and draw multiple conclusions on what it means infact why not go full out fully ignore toilet paper and water use sand ( get nematodes in your anus) after you do it get ready clean up go do wudu in a compulsive insane 3 x everything order but oh yeah don't forget if you are in the USA about the brain eating amoeba that's in the water that can destroy your brain that they have only saved 3 people from. Death from it and it can be in chlorinated water < ignore that to its not natural wait no permissable wait no it's not natural a man has touched it run go do taymum...... Opppppsss missed sallaht now make it up but remember if you get under stress cdiff hypervulent can't re activate to the point you can die but you know it's cool because you are totally commiting suicide. Oh yes and that's actually Haram truly so is don't let your own hand lead to your destruction but the hadith to that doesn't even match but completely ignore it and also ignore the fact....... They just found actual physical proof of a Quran written and it's carbon dated rendering all that it was never written on paper a fake hadith. But they're is alot of lies in hadith but maybe you should super charge your shirk biddah and compulsion and go bat sh### crazy to the point your sanity no longer exist and you have become a full blown apostate because now when you go back to the very source you needed protected by Allah swt for you to of warned you but you have destroyed your mind to the point when you see the Quran you can't read it due to hadith has now injected your phych to interpret it differently ( when it was sent to be the only thing you followed now you are dying but you say alahu Akbar and on top of that blow your brains out from insanity. The worst isn't even over. You can accept 2 narating of this story narated by me about me related by iPhone I heard araham. Say he had hypervulent strain but he is contagious. Or narated by heard by I phone arham mentioned taqiyah then said some knowledge I heard Android say but iPhone said follow the Quran. Arwa ( fatwa metaphor) issued while your a## with sand while watching Tom and Jerry or you could simply of just read what I said...... Then followed by this I don't have hypervulent strain but I did and yes it spread that way yes it will kill you dead I almost died antibiotics ( a specially designed one killed it) but it can reactivate but hasn't I am just your akhi and I love you I don't want you to be opressed the prophet Muhammad saw pbuh wouldn't of either yet hadith would love to see you destroy your own religion because it's fake and is actually against the messanger of Allah and you are following his teachings the Quran because you are obeying Allah swt and his messenger ( key words) I could utterly destroy you in archaic Arabic if you would like shukroan for reading my comment narated by Android I heard him say shukroan but iPhone told me to just read the next verse I don't speak archaic I don't need to I have friends that speak it fluently that don't taqiyah me and know everyday words vs only for Islam. Not to mention you have no idea what I truly know neither do I know of you but I can tell you who does Allah subhananu wa'tallah and he loves you come back to him before you can't. Infact hadith is pretty much shirk biddah and even blasphemous against tahweed Allah swt alone NO PARTNER.

1.In Shia jurisprudence, it is permissible to use toilet paper to clean the anus from faeces (See here). It is permisible to remove the najis material with at least three pure pieces of dry toilet paper. Instead of three pieces, one could use three sites of the same piece of it. If the najis material is not removed with these three pieces, more pieces could be used until the najis material is completely removed.

2.Washing excretory outlet with left hand is not Haram in Shia jurisprudence. Instead, it is disliked.

3.Watching Tom and Jerry is not Haram in Shi'ism. It is shown in different chanels of Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting.

4.Taqiyyah in Shia Islam is not for saving the faith. It is indeed conclealing the faith for protecting the life from killers like Daesh group when you are in their access and they are conducting an inquisition into the details of your belief. If you do not say that you are Wahhabi, and instead you say that you are Shia or non-Wahhabi Sunni, they will certainly kill you. Taqiyya is a Quranic practic: [40:28] A believer, a man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had concealed his faith, said: .... .

5. Those fake Hadiths which are in Sunni books and were made by Banu Umayya who were the enemies of Islam, and also those fake Hadiths which are in Shia books and were made by the enemies of Ahlul Bayt (as), only these are the enemies of Islam, not those true Hadiths about which we are sure that are the sayings of Prophet and his 12 Successors.

Wa Ghol Rabbi Zidni Ilma...

 

[mojtaba]

2.Washing excretory outlet with left hand is not Haram in Shia jurisprudence. Instead, it is disliked.

This is wrong. The correct sentence is as the following:

Washing excretory outlet with right hand is not Haram in Shia jurisprudence. Instead, it is Makrūh (of an act disliked but not forbidden in Islamic law).