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I am losing faith :(

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TashaN

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It seems that in history Muslims are always nice and tolerant at first, and then they begin to take over countries and do mass amounts of discrimination to non believers. It seems that Islam is this political ideology bent on taking over the world :(
it scares me what Muslims believe. I can not reconcile my beliefs on an individual level, and those on Islam on the other. How can apostasy be punishable? How can war ever be justified when it is aggressive? How is homosexuality sinful? So many of these why why why :(
I love Islam so much... but IDk :(
Please help :(

Please read this book:
Amazon.com: Losing My Religion: A Call For Help (9781590080276): Jeffrey Lang: Books

This is a lecture on YouTube about the same topic:

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YouTube - Dr. Jeffrey Lang- Losing my Religion: A Cry for Help (Part 1/10)

It was very helpful to me when i was struggling with understanding some issues. I hope it will be helpful to you too. :)

If you can afford it, please read his two other books, Struggling to Surrender, and Even Angels Ask.

You can also borrow them from the library.
 

Luminous

non-existential luminary
We call doubting "weswas" which means having "disturbing" thoughts from Satan.
oh i see, so do you have any doubts about hinduism, or Buddhism, or Glory(Bahai'i)or Jewdaism, or Christianity?
i think having "disturbing thoughts from Satan" and "doubting" are completly different things. isn't what "weswas" really means is that you should believe without questioning?
or else you are Satanic?
that seams to be the connotation. please explain how having doubt that something is not wrong(in this case your Qur'anic or Islamic interpretations) is something bad.
all atheists and theists have doubts(much less so atheists) of their own frame of mind. the least doubt comes from an agnostic postion, more so an "ignostic" position.
unless ofcourse: the position of Islam is that doubting Islam(what ever you think that might be) is from Satan. But chrisitians say doubting Christianity is from the Devil. Buddhists that doubting Buddhism is from Mara.
but assuming "islam" is correct, clearly all non-muslims have weswas, correct?
also, the position seams to be that once you stop assuming your interpretation of Islam is correct, then you are wrong and are further from the "truth". but, dought is (in a way) simply the understanding that you lack some answers...wouldnt it actually inspire you to get more accurate answers? how would less assumptions benefit "Evil"? if you would be so kind as to explain.
Islam doesn't prevent us from thinking or questioning, but it tells us to do that with complete faith. Whenever the faith is shaken, then this is Satan's work who tries to lead us away from the truth.
with complete faith? this doesn't seam contradictory at all? complete faith would be without questioning wouldnt it? faith is when you believe and trust in something, if you have doubts than you do not have faith. is this not true?
the religion is supposed to be about submitting to God, correct? so i suppose that in complete context...the good teaching it tells you is that you should question the religion while always wanting to submit to God, correct? what sort of person doesn't do this that is already leaning towars anti-atheism?

In fact, many Islamic scholars questioned their beliefs as to learn more, that's why "Mostafa Mahmoud" (a famous Islamic thinker) said about his experience that he was "an atheist in a prayer room".
but you said in the first paragraph that doubt came from Satan. why would Satan want you to possibly learn more? what sort of level of intelligence does this malevelent being have?
doesn't the line of thinking that "question aspects of the religion of Islam, without ever questioning the truth of true Islam" simply lead one to believe what ever they wish as long as they call it Islam? isn't that dangerous? I mean, in my opinion, true submission to God requires that one accept their agnosticism and think without dogma or idols, always seeking to be inspired by God ITself. assuming that you know things about God, is not neccessarily anyway to submit to ITs will...would this mean that i am a true Muslim?
I mean, IMO God's Will seams to be agnosticism for all...that seams to be the self-evident truth of the human condition...and perhaps the condition of every living thing. by not denying my agnosticism, and always seeking truth...i am serving God's revealed will. if the story is true that our enemy made our anscestors eat the fruit "knowledge" maybe what we swallowed up was the fruit of anti-agnostic thought instead...we don't seam to have knowledge. I mean, either you have faith in Truth, or you have faith in the Qur'an. Truth cannot be wrong, the Qur'an can. is this not right?
 

Bismillah

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Luminous, with all due respect, this is not the place for you to start debates. If yo wish to do that make a thread in the general forums.

oh i see, so do you have any doubts about hinduism, or Buddhism, or Glory(Bahai'i)or Jewdaism, or Christianity?
i think having "disturbing thoughts from Satan" and "doubting" are completly different things. isn't what "weswas" really means is that you should believe without questioning?
or else you are Satanic?
that seams to be the connotation. please explain how having doubt that something is not wrong(in this case your Qur'anic or Islamic interpretations) is something bad.
all atheists and theists have doubts(much less so atheists) of their own frame of mind. the least doubt comes from an agnostic postion, more so an "ignostic" position.
unless ofcourse: the position of Islam is that doubting Islam(what ever you think that might be) is from Satan. But chrisitians say doubting Christianity is from the Devil. Buddhists that doubting Buddhism is from Mara.
but assuming "islam" is correct, clearly all non-muslims have weswas, correct?
also, the position seams to be that once you stop assuming your interpretation of Islam is correct, then you are wrong and are further from the "truth". but, dought is (in a way) simply the understanding that you lack some answers...wouldnt it actually inspire you to get more accurate answers? how would less assumptions benefit "Evil"? if you would be so kind as to explain.
Lapses in faith and Satan are intrinsically related. It is he who manifests these doubts in our head. In contrast with Angels who serve under the will of Allah (SWT) and thus do not ever stumble in their devotion. But it is our devotion that is of greater importance because we do have to overcome such doubts and in doing so become closer to Allah. You do not call someone Satanic for struggling with their faith, indeed everyone at one point or another has to overcome Satan's misguidance. It is only whether you strive to overcome it that determines whether you have broken free of Satan's hold. Yes, all of those of who reject Islam have been misguided by Satan. There is nothing wrong with doubting. It is how you respond to these doubts that determines your character. Like you stated, understanding that your knowledge of Islam is incomplete and striving to fill in that gap strengthens your diin.

with complete faith? this doesn't seam contradictory at all? complete faith would be without questioning wouldnt it? faith is when you believe and trust in something, if you have doubts than you do not have faith. is this not true?
the religion is supposed to be about submitting to God, correct? so i suppose that in complete context...the good teaching it tells you is that you should question the religion while always wanting to submit to God, correct? what sort of person doesn't do this that is already leaning towars anti-atheism?
No they are not mutually exclusive. A person who is struggling with certain aspects of his religion has to understand that it is he whose knowledge is limited. That might mean that his view on that aspect is wrong or only partially correct. So while his personal beliefs on an Islamic topic are incorrect, Islam as a whole is not. He has to understand that there is a truth and that "Allah knows best".

but you said in the first paragraph that doubt came from Satan. why would Satan want you to possibly learn more? what sort of level of intelligence does this malevelent being have?
doesn't the line of thinking that "question aspects of the religion of Islam, without ever questioning the truth of true Islam" simply lead one to believe what ever they wish as long as they call it Islam? isn't that dangerous? I mean, in my opinion, true submission to God requires that one accept their agnosticism and think without dogma or idols, always seeking to be inspired by God ITself. assuming that you know things about God, is not neccessarily anyway to submit to ITs will...would this mean that i am a true Muslim?
I mean, IMO God's Will seams to be agnosticism for all...that seams to be the self-evident truth of the human condition...and perhaps the condition of every living thing. by not denying my agnosticism, and always seeking truth...i am serving God's revealed will. if the story is true that our enemy made our anscestors eat the fruit "knowledge" maybe what we swallowed up was the fruit of anti-agnostic thought instead...we don't seam to have knowledge. I mean, either you have faith in Truth, or you have faith in the Qur'an. Truth cannot be wrong, the Qur'an can. is this not right?
Satan is not pushing us to learn. He is pushing us to reject our faith because of the seeds of doubt. A person can either act on these doubts and clear up his misconceptions or he can not act upon them and leave these doubts fermenting in his head and eventually corrupting him. You tell me which one Satan wants. As for the rest, it is your opinion and since this is the Islam DIR it is out of place and irrelevant. If you want to create a thread about your opinion go ahead, but in this section it is established that we are to discuss the Islamic opinion. Also no you are not a
Muslim if you reject the dogma and Qur'an.

For future reference I will not be responding to any of your further posts because they are out of place.
 
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