I am pro-abortion, not just pro-choice

[Saint Frankenstein]

Thought this was an interesting article: http://www.salon.com/2015/04/24/i_a...we_must_support_the_procedure_and_the_choice/

My views have shifted from being anti-abortion to being pro-choice, after losing my Catholic blinders and being able to think on the subject independently. I now totally support abortion and all other forms of contraception, as a fundamental right in terms of self-autonomy and healthcare.

 

[idav]

It is a touchy subject but most Americans are pro-choice yet majority is not for federal funding.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Must say i do not support it as a contraception option ... .. however for medical needs most assuredly ...

 

[Revoltingest]

Thought this was an interesting article: http://www.salon.com/2015/04/24/i_a...we_must_support_the_procedure_and_the_choice/

My views have shifted from being anti-abortion to being pro-choice, after losing my Catholic blinders and being able to think on the subject independently. I now totally support abortion and all other forms of contraception, as a fundamental right in terms of self-autonomy and healthcare.

Welcome to the club!
I've been pro-abortion for as long as I've given the matter thought.

 

[BSM1]

It is a touchy subject but most Americans are pro-choice yet majority is not for federal funding.

Be cheaper than paying to raise the kid for 18+ years, don't you think?

 

[idav]

Be cheaper than paying to raise the kid for 18+ years, don't you think?

Which is one of the best reasons to allow plan parenthood to continue contraceptives.

 

[निताइ dasa]

Yes, very interesting article. I personally don't support it as a contraceptive measure, nor do I think that it is a fundamental right that must be protected by the state. I don't even think its a question of self-autonomy (rather a question of value). But I admit, sometimes it does become necessary.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Pro-choice.

i always like to ask the question . . . If our technological prowess were such that all pregnancies are voluntary, and consequence free sex were possible. . . Would you support such technology?

A future where contraception is so reliable, free, and easy that no one conceives unless they choose to . . . if you don't support this, then any pro-lifer is a hypocrite.

 

[Nous]

It is a touchy subject but most Americans are pro-choice yet majority is not for federal funding.

Be cheaper than paying to raise the kid for 18+ years, don't you think?

Is that supposed to be a joke? A dose of an abortifacient costs a few cents, maybe a dollar, maybe a couple of dollars. Raising a child to adulthood costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, not to mention the emotional investment.

 

[BSM1]

Is that supposed to be a joke? A dose of an abortifacient costs a few cents, maybe a dollar, maybe a couple of dollars. Raising a child to adulthood costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, not to mention the emotional investment.

Are you laughing? I think you misunderstood my post. I am staunchly pro-choice and any time I hear this "I don't want to fund an abortion" crap I try to make the point that you may be "funding" the upbringing of many children.

 

[columbus]

Thought this was an interesting article: http://www.salon.com/2015/04/24/i_a...we_must_support_the_procedure_and_the_choice/

My views have shifted from being anti-abortion to being pro-choice, after losing my Catholic blinders and being able to think on the subject independently. I now totally support abortion and all other forms of contraception, as a fundamental right in terms of self-autonomy and healthcare.

Funny how things work out, isn't it?
I graduated from 12 years of Catholic education in 1976. I was firmly convinced that abortion was the right to choose. Simple as that.
Then, a few years later, S/He was my baby. I was dealing with the reality, not some abstract concept. This was post RvW USA, killing my child was safe and legal.
I changed my mind when reality intruded on my vague, politically correct, beliefs. I had to actually think it through for myself.
I realized that basic human rights are more important to my ethical standards than the right to irresponsible sex.
Tom

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Funny how things work out, isn't it?
I graduated from 12 years of Catholic education in 1976. I was firmly convinced that abortion was the right to choose. Simple as that.
Then, a few years later, S/He was my baby. I was dealing with the reality, not some abstract concept. This was post RvW USA, killing my child was safe and legal.
I changed my mind when reality intruded on my vague, politically correct, beliefs. I had to actually think it through for myself.
Tom

My mom had an appointment scheduled to have me aborted, my sister has had at least one abortion and I've known others who have had abortions. So it's not some abstract thing to me, either.

I realized that basic human rights are more important to my ethical standards than the right to irresponsible sex.

Sounds like you're projecting.

 

[Deeje]

My mom had an appointment scheduled to have me aborted, my sister has had at least one abortion and I've known others who have had abortions. So it's not some abstract thing to me, either.

It is an abstract thing if you have never experienced conception or birth. How can you possibly know what it feels like to pass on the gift of life?

Having a hard time in life is a tough experience, but that doesn't mean we can't make the best of things. We can see life as a rosebush with thorns or a thornbush with roses. It all depends on our attitude.

Sounds like you're projecting.

It sounds like you have never been a parent. Most mothers have a particularly strong bond with the life growing within them.
Life is a miracle, not an unwanted side effect of someone's sex life. To abort a child for reasons of convenience is a crime, because if you would murder a full term baby the law will deal with you.....but murder an unborn baby and God will deal with you.

You can dismiss religious beliefs all you like, but you can't make abortion into something acceptable to the Creator of life.
There is only one person who can play "God".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How can you possibly know what it feels like to pass on the gift of life?

Why don't you get some manners before trying to talk to people? That was rude. Some of us are infertile or don't want to conceive.

It sounds like you have never been a parent. Most mothers have a particularly strong bond with the life growing within them.

Of course I haven't. I don't have unsafe sex and can't get knocked up, anyway. If I did at this point in my life, I'd probably abort it.

To abort a child for reasons of convenience is a crime, because if you would murder a full term baby the law will deal with you.....but murder an unborn baby and God will deal with you.

I don't care about your god and your sanctimonious, uppity threats have no effect on me.

 

[Deeje]

Why don't you get some manners before trying to talk to people? That was rude. Some of us are infertile or don't want to conceive.

Did you never consider that being pro-abortion is rude to those who cannot conceive? Do you know how many wonderful people there are out there who would give their eye teeth to have what others throw away like so much garbage? You talk about manners when you exhibit none of your own?

I don't care about your god and your sanctimonious, uppity threats have no effect on me.

I understand that, but others have views that are contrary to your own. Are you the only one with the right to share an opinion?
I disagree with your viewpoint and you posted this in a debate forum. It is a difficult thing to comment about something that is beyond the realms of your own experience.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Did you never consider that being pro-abortion is rude to those who cannot conceive? Do you know how many wonderful people there are out there who would give their eye teeth to have what others throw away like so much garbage? You talk about manners when you exhibit none of your own?

It's called adoption. Look it up. We don't really need new people in the world, anyway. There's about to be 8 billion of us. It's good that the birth rate is dropping.

I understand that, but others have views that are contrary to your own. Are you the only one with the right to share an opinion?
I disagree with your viewpoint and you posted this in a debate forum. It is a difficult thing to comment about something that is beyond the realms of your own experience.

You can say what you want and I'll give you my opinion on what you've said, as I did. Don't get defensive with me. You're the one trying to scare people with threats. Won't work on me, so move on.

 

[Deeje]

It's called adoption. Look it up. We don't really need new people in the world, anyway. There's about to be 8 billion of us. It's good that the birth rate is dropping.

Do you know how long the waiting list is for adoption? How wonderful if those unwanted babies could have been offered a loving family instead of the scrap heap. Perhaps you should Google pictures of aborted babies...the images will haunt you, but it may change your opinion of the whole process.

What is sad about the birth rate is that the immoral tramps who have a half a dozen children to different fathers and no concept of real family life, tend to breed like rabbits, and have numerous abortions rather than to alter their lifestyle....whilst the intelligent ones who could pass on some decent genes, are opting for a childless career. That is a general statement of course, that applies to the majority, but not to all obviously.

You can say what you want and I'll give you my opinion on what you've said, as I did. Don't get defensive with me. You're the one trying to scare people with threats. Won't work on me, so move on.

I wasn't aware of being defensive, just offering a point of view from one who has given birth and knows what it is like to pass on the gift of life.

The threats are not mine. You have nothing to fear from me.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Do you know how long the waiting list is for adoption? How wonderful if those unwanted babies could have been offered a loving family instead of the scrap heap. Perhaps you should Google pictures of aborted babies...the images will haunt you, but it may change your opinion of the whole process.

Seen pics and videos. Doesn't change my opinion. A lot of those on anti-abortion sites are fakes, anyway.

What is sad about the birth rate is that the immoral tramps who have a half a dozen children to different fathers and no concept of real family life, tend to breed like rabbits, and have numerous abortions rather than to alter their lifestyle....whilst the intelligent ones who could pass on some decent genes, are opting for a childless career. That is a general statement of course, that applies to the majority, but not to all obviously.

Ooh, so you're a eugenicist. Nice. Lovely sexism, too.

I wasn't aware of being defensive, just offering a point of view from one who has given birth and knows what it is like to pass on the gift of life.

Good for you. Don't care.

The threats are not mine. You have nothing to fear from me.

Now you're being passive aggressive.

 

[Deeje]

Seen pics and videos. Doesn't change my opinion. A lot of those on anti-abortion sites are fakes, anyway.

If you can see the parts of a tiny human torn limb from limb and feel nothing....what can I say? You think those tiny bodies don't exist and that the vacuum suctioning of those fragile little bodies does not result in the pictures you see?

Ooh, so you're a eugenicist. Nice.

Since when is it not desirable to have have traits in your nature that reflect some common sense and decency?

I would rather deal with people who have inherited some intelligence and culture from loving parents in a committed family relationship, than brainless people who have nothing between their ears and way too much going on in other parts of their anatomy. If the laws given to Israel are anything to go by, then God too recommends a loving family as an ideal environment in which to raise children. Parents were to pass along all the good things that God taught them about how to navigate their way through the difficulties of this life. Too many parents today are the worst role models for their children and they wonder why life is difficult and meaningless?

Now you're being passive aggressive.

So if an emergency services person were to knock on your door and warn you about an approaching natural disaster, and telling you how to save your life, they are being passive aggressive?

I see......

 

[McBell]

There is only one person who can play "God".

Bull plucky.
Humans "play god" all the time.
Every single time a person is put on life support is "playing god"