I believe in Creation ...and Evolution

[Yerda]

P.S. You'll recognize me. I'll be riding a dinosaur!

Honey! I'm taking the T-Rex to work this morning.

This place sounds wonderful. Whenever I'm in the US I'll make a point of visiting.

 

[Lady Crimson]

certain beliefs don't need scientific proof...Just like my siganture says...I believe because it is absurd

 

[michel]

certain beliefs don't need scientific proof...Just like my siganture says...I believe because it is absurd

Out of interest, where does that come from?

 

[Lady Crimson]

it is a latin expression I just found one day while browsing my latin dictionary

 

[Yerda]

certain beliefs don't need scientific proof...

No belief needs scientific proof. However you might be reasonably expected to justify belief in absurdities, while 'because it is absurd' (which creationism certainly appears to be) leaves much to be desired as an explanation.

 

[stonestew]

call me a dreamer, call me a (introduce bad word), call me what you will but I think that Evolution and Creation can go hand in hand. I mean, why can't our Creator (whoever he may be ) have created the amiba or paramecium first? and then we could have evolved into what we are today. You first need the seed to grow the plant. Why are we so egotistical as to believe that He created us as we are today? He just planted the seed and let mother nature (Evolution) do the rest.

thats the god in man.white mans arrogance. just like the kkk, thomas jefferson,
bill gates.

you are exactly right. why do they fight.
oblivious to connection that may have a little revelance to their faith.
i can tell you however , who your creator is and we'll smile .
we'll feel the understanding to not care who created our creator.
if im wrong, it wont stop there.
when you figure it out, i havent a doubt. your dead.
life short to worry about living self ruled against the fool.

id rather dream on than be told what i'm allowed or told to believe.

 

[Lady Crimson]

thats the god in man.white mans arrogance. just like the kkk, thomas jefferson,
bill gates.

Are you saying i'm arrogant? I lead myself by a set of moral convictions. Am I a rasist because I believe in the fact that a superior force created us?! (for all i care, aliens could have planted us on Earth) than most people on this earth are rasists including african-american, native-american, asian people etc. The list doesn't end easily.

I could hardly care about Thomas Jefferson cause frankly America does pretty well for itself. I'm sure that your country hasn't barely esscaped comunissm or had to suffer the effects of it. You haven't got a taste of Stalin, Hitler or The Golden Child of the Soviet Union (Ceausescu). and frankly who gives a pigs' behind about Bill Gates. People who use Windows and don't like it, just change to Linux.

You are being arrogant by giving any importance to the latter two.

 

[greatcalgarian]

I am lost, how did Thomas Jefferson, 3K and Bill Gate being grouped together? I see no common ground among these three entities?

 

[Lady Crimson]

I absolutely agree, greatcalgarian!

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

Here is why creation and evolution just CAN'T go together:

"Then God said 'Let the waters abound with and abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly across the face of the firmament of the heavens.' So God created great sea creatures, and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.' Genesis 1:20-21

"Then God said, 'Let the Earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yield fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the Earth.' And it was so. "
Genesis 1:11

You can find throughout the first chapter of Genesis examples of God creating living things. Does Genesis say "And God created monkies, who over thousands of years, eventually turned into men," ? I don't think so. You cannot believe in both creation and evolution. The Bible says "God created grasses. God created the fish in the sea, and the birds of the air. God created the cattles, and creeping things. God created man- not monkey: man.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Here is why creation and evolution just CAN'T go together: ...

What I find very sad is that it evidently never occurred to you that one could be a creationist without being a Christian.

 

[Tawn]

So in your estimation, if Evolution can be reasonably proven, we can reasonably assume the Christian god to be disproven?

Some Theists would disagree and contend that the bible can be considered allegorical, not literal..

(oh yeah good point Deut! )

 

[HelpMe]

lol..

 

[greatcalgarian]

You can find throughout the first chapter of Genesis examples of God creating living things. Does Genesis say "And God created monkies, who over thousands of years, eventually turned into men," ? I don't think so. You cannot believe in both creation and evolution. The Bible says "God created grasses. God created the fish in the sea, and the birds of the air. God created the cattles, and creeping things. God created man- not monkey: man.

Another assumption by Christian that evolution means man is from Monkey. If Christians are not ready to understand evolution, then obviously within the Christian community, there is no way the two can coexist.

On the other hand, liberal Christians, that do not accept literal translation of the bible, and atheists that are not too hard-headed may be able to accept peaceful coexistence of both

 

[Uncertaindrummer]

I got in on this thread VERY late but I do have a few points to make:

Christianity does NOT contradict evolution, they can easily be together.

Evolution is FAR from proven and FAR from disproven.

Saying that The Earth is only 6-10 thousand years old is pretty absurd. Respected scientists, respected CREATIONIST scientists can tell you otherwise. I mean, we can see the light of stars millions of light years away.... how would that be possible if the earth is only a few thousand years old?

During the creation of the world, limiting it to a LITERAL seven day, 72 hour creation does the Bible a great injustice. The writer of Genesis was not seeking to give an exact timetable but show the significance if the seventh day, the day of rest. If we are to take EVERYTHING from the first two chapters of the Bible literallly, then the Garden of Eden exists on Earth and is guarded by an Angel with a flaming sword on EARTH.

God lives outside of time. Ascribing twenty four hour periods to the work He does is and always will be huamn arrogance.

However, if it is ever scientifically proven that the Earth is ten thousand years old and that evolution never occured, I would have no trouble believing that either. As long as God's Creational Work is included in Science, it is fine.

Frankly I do not see why so many ultra conservatives make it such a big DEAL. Who CARES what happened as long as we admit God did it and God wanted it this way? Certainly proving to non-believers the EXISTANCE of God would be more important?

 

[Tawn]

Evolution is FAR from proven and FAR from disproven.

What isn't?

 

[michel]

Oh, and I thought someone was going to say something that would convice you, Tawn...............:biglaugh:

 

[Uncertaindrummer]

What isn't?

That Grass exists. Although I guess we can't really even prove that, lol

 

[Passerbye]

Two points to make:

Here is why Christian creation and evolution just CAN'T go together:

"Then God said 'Let the waters abound with and abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly across the face of the firmament of the heavens.' So God created great sea creatures, and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.' Genesis 1:20-21

"Then God said, 'Let the Earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yield fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the Earth.' And it was so. "
Genesis 1:11

You can find throughout the first chapter of Genesis examples of God creating living things. Does Genesis say "And God created monkies, who over thousands of years, eventually turned into men," ? I don't think so. You cannot believe in both creation and evolution. The Bible says "God created grasses. God created the fish in the sea, and the birds of the air. God created the cattles, and creeping things. God created man- not monkey: man.

Why do you focus on the fact that he put Chrstianity as creation and used the "monkey to man" analogy to make a point. Here let me edit it and see if you would like to comment.

vbmenu_register("postmenu_171807", true); Here is why creation and evolution just CAN'T go together:

"Then God said 'Let the waters abound with and abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly across the face of the firmament of the heavens.' So God created great sea creatures, and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.' Genesis 1:20-21

"Then God said, 'Let the Earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yield fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the Earth.' And it was so. "
Genesis 1:11

You can find throughout the first chapter of Genesis examples of God creating living things. Does Genesis say "And God created microorganisms , who over millions of years, eventually turned into the plants and animals we see today," ? I don't think so. You cannot believe in both Biblical creation and evolution. The Bible says "God created grasses. God created the fish in the sea, and the birds of the air. God created the cattles, and creeping things. God created man. Where is there room for evolution?

Does this sound better?

Christianity does NOT contradict evolution, they can easily be together.

Saying that The Earth is only 6-10 thousand years old is pretty absurd. Respected scientists, respected CREATIONIST scientists can tell you otherwise. I mean, we can see the light of stars millions of light years away.... how would that be possible if the earth is only a few thousand years old?

During the creation of the world, limiting it to a LITERAL seven day, 72 hour creation does the Bible a great injustice. The writer of Genesis was not seeking to give an exact timetable but show the significance if the seventh day, the day of rest. If we are to take EVERYTHING from the first two chapters of the Bible literallly, then the Garden of Eden exists on Earth and is guarded by an Angel with a flaming sword on EARTH.

God lives outside of time. Ascribing twenty four hour periods to the work He does is and always will be huamn arrogance.

Where in the Bible does God say He lives outside time? It says that "a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day" but that was refering to Jesus saying he would return soon. Given it has been about 2000 years since it was said I would say that is pritty decent forsight, wouldn't you agree? The books of the Bible can be broken down to what they are. The poetry is poetry. It can be used to tell what was going on at the time, but it is ment as poetry and songs. The letters of Paul often use metaphors. The history books of the Bible are history. Just as Acts is writen as history so is Genisis. Where does it imply otherwise? Oh, and refering to your comment on the Garden of Eden... why do you see it as a metaphor? Is Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob also a metaphor? Although creation serves as God leading by example for the 7 day week. If we remove what backs it up (creation) what backs up God's rest? Why would he say that is how he created it if he didn't do it that way? God has always shown physical to back up spiritual and what he commands.

There are a few theories on how the light from stars can be seen but they are just theories, as far as I know. But then... so are a lot of other things. I shall wait to answer this part untill I gain some more information on how the light would get here.

 

[HelpMe]

Where in the Bible does God say He lives outside time? It says that "a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day" but that was refering to Jesus saying he would return soon. Given it has been about 2000 years since it was said I would say that is pritty decent forsight, wouldn't you agree?

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There are a few theories on how the light from stars can be seen but they are just theories, as far as I know. But then... so are a lot of other things. I shall wait to answer this part untill I gain some more information on how the light would get here.

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good idea.