I believe that Jesus is a conservative.

[T-Dawg]

Why would God the Son want people to kill their souls with drug use? You think he would approve of smoking crack or even snorting heroin? I do not think so. These drugs are more the extremely dangerous to the physical self, but also to the spiritual self. If you do not think so, Id suggest go meeting with a few addicts. Its why we need more ministries for these people.

I have no personal experience with drug use, so I'm not going to try and advocate we all smoke crack and snort heroin (although I do know for a fact that marijuana is safe, or at least not anywhere near as dangerous as it's claimed to be). But be aware, nothing that you just said about drugs affecting spiritual health is ANYWHERE in the Bible.

And Decadence, as in the downhill of society, I do believe Christ would be against. The acceptance of things that would have been viewed as distasteful(at the lest) are now gaining support. Pornography,abortion, homosexual marriage, support of violence,Atheism, etc. All of these things have sent our society down hill.

See, that's just what I was getting at - "downhill of society" could mean anything. I can tell just from these two posts from you that your idea of a "good" society would be morally and logically repulsive to me and many others.

Pornography's existed for about as long as photography has, if not longer (and prostitution is often called "the world's oldest profession"), abortion is a better choice than having an unloved/unsupportable child be brought into the world, homosexual marriage is of no threat to society (and certainly didn't do the ancient Greeks any harm, by the looks of it), violent atheism is virtually nonexistent, and none of those things are what's sending our society downhill.

That is silly democrat propaganda. Almost all "Catholics" and other Christians who are democrats support gay marriage and abortion. How exactly is this traditional? I am not all for "radical Christianity", but I am for sticking to my beliefs, and what they mean in the modern context. I am against the restriction of Freedom of Religion, or any freedom at that matter. But I will not sit by and vote for a supposed Catholic who supports Abortion or the degradation of a holy sacrament.

You're focusing on only two issues, and ignoring that democrats aren't unanimously anti-bigotry and pro-choice (Democrats are much less unified than Republicans).

You're free to vote how you like, but I must remind you that your claims are illogical. If you outlaw abortion, it will happen anyway, and in a much less safe environment (just like what's happened with the phony "war on drugs"). And for the love of Government, you don't own marriage! Marriage is not a "holy sacrament," it is an economic contract that bears emotional value for some reason. If marriage WAS a "holy sacrament," the government should have no part in it, and thus the entire argument over homosexual marriage becomes null.

 

[JMorris]

i think jesus was a christian democrat

 

[Desert Snake]

I believe that Jesus is a conservative. The reason why is because he promotes conservative values. The good thing though, is that Jesus knows how to be nice about it. I love Jesus for that.

O.K. I don't think it really applies to modern politics though.

 

[Darkness]

Jesus was apolitical. "Render unto Caesar, the things which are Caesar's." As for his social values, he was a mix of liberal and conservative (if we are counting the layman, American definitions). He was a pacifist and hippie like forgiver which gives him a point for liberal camp; peace, nonviolence and love was kind of his trademark. Yet, when it comes to issues such as sex he is definitely in the conservative camp.

 

[Father Heathen]

I believe that Jesus is a conservative. The reason why is because he promotes conservative values. The good thing though, is that Jesus knows how to be nice about it. I love Jesus for that.

Then how exactly do conservatives reconcile their political views with the following?

“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you." Matthew 6:5-6

“Judge not, that you be not judged." Matthew 7:1

"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:24

“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money." Matthew 6:24

They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” Matthew 22:21

"But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39

"Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Matthew 19:19

"For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Matthew 6:14-15

"Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you." Matthew 5:42

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven." Matthew 6:1

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." Matthew 7:3-5

"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Matthew 26:52

 

[JacobEzra.]

I have no personal experience with drug use, so I'm not going to try and advocate we all smoke crack and snort heroin (although I do know for a fact that marijuana is safe, or at least not anywhere near as dangerous as it's claimed to be). But be aware, nothing that you just said about drugs affecting spiritual health is ANYWHERE in the Bible.

There is alot not in the bible. Why does bible have to say something is bad, to know it is bad?

See, that's just what I was getting at - "downhill of society" could mean anything. I can tell just from these two posts from you that your idea of a "good" society would be morally and logically repulsive to me and many others.

Pornography's existed for about as long as photography has, if not longer (and prostitution is often called "the world's oldest profession"), abortion is a better choice than having an unloved/unsupportable child be brought into the world, homosexual marriage is of no threat to society (and certainly didn't do the ancient Greeks any harm, by the looks of it), violent atheism is virtually nonexistent, and none of those things are what's sending our society downhill.

Everything you mentioned is immoral and disgusting. BUt hey, if you like to watch porn and catch crabs from a prostitute, good for you. And supporting the killing of an innocent life is just disturbing as well.

You're focusing on only two issues, and ignoring that democrats aren't unanimously anti-bigotry and pro-choice (Democrats are much less unified than Republicans).

You're free to vote how you like, but I must remind you that your claims are illogical. If you outlaw abortion, it will happen anyway, and in a much less safe environment (just like what's happened with the phony "war on drugs"). And for the love of Government, you don't own marriage! Marriage is not a "holy sacrament," it is an economic contract that bears emotional value for some reason. If marriage WAS a "holy sacrament," the government should have no part in it, and thus the entire argument over homosexual marriage becomes null.

Then let the women get abortion somewhere dangerous. If she is that desperate to kill the life growing inside her. Doesn't mean it should be legal

 

[T-Dawg]

There is alot not in the bible. Why does bible have to say something is bad, to know it is bad?

Because you Christians gather ALL of your morals from the Bible, and if it's not in the Bible, you don't do it (unless it's convenient for you to explain it away, as in this case with drugs, or in other cases such as European imperialism, the Catholic Pope, support of capitalism, etc).

Everything you mentioned is immoral and disgusting. BUt hey, if you like to watch porn and catch crabs from a prostitute, good for you. And supporting the killing of an innocent life is just disturbing as well.

There's nothing wrong with pornography, mate, and nor is there anything wrong with prostitution as long as it's consensual and safe. And you calling a fetus an "innocent life" is disturbing as well, as is your strange obsession with sex.

Then let the women get abortion somewhere dangerous. If she is that desperate to kill the life growing inside her. Doesn't mean it should be legal

Are you seriously willing to endanger a REAL human life in order to protect something that is not yet human, and arguably not even sentient, and has no right to grow inside of a woman without her consent?

 

[JacobEzra.]

There's nothing wrong with pornography, mate, and nor is there anything wrong with prostitution as long as it's consensual and safe. And you calling a fetus an "innocent life" is disturbing as well, as is your strange obsession with sex.

Seems your type still can do nothing but slander. I have no obsession with sex. I do have obsession with decency.

Are you seriously willing to endanger a REAL human life in order to protect something that is not yet human, and arguably not even sentient, and has no right to grow inside of a woman without her consent?

I will not be the one endangering a human. It is you who is supporting the killing of an innocent life. If the women wants to put herself into danger to "get rid" of something she does not want, as if it is a piece of garbage, then she knows she will have to look else where. If her disdain and hatred for innocence and life is so great that she will put herself into danger to have an abortion, that is up to her and her conscience.

 

[T-Dawg]

Seems your type still can do nothing but slander. I have no obsession with sex. I do have obsession with decency.

Exactly - and what do you propose "decency" is, if not your sexual morals?

I will not be the one endangering a human. It is you who is supporting the killing of an innocent life. If the women wants to put herself into danger to "get rid" of something she does not want, as if it is a piece of garbage, then she knows she will have to look else where. If her disdain and hatred for innocence and life is so great that she will put herself into danger to have an abortion, that is up to her and her conscience.

A fetus is not yet a life, and the fact that you force a real life to put herself in danger so that she can remove herself of an unwanted pregnancy speaks to what sort of morals you have.
Tell me, if life is so sacred, then why do you worship God (I am assuming you worship God, for your religious title says you are Catholic), who, according to the Bible, hated life so much that he flooded the world to be rid of the vast majority of it, murdered the sons of Egyptians (as well as several other calamities that involved pain and death) to remind everyone of how powerful he was, instigated the genocide of Canaan, ordained the death penalty for nearly every "crime" in Hebrew society, frequently caused plagues, famine, and wars as punishments for individual misdeeds (most of which were related to daring to not worship him), and has a justice system in which something INNOCENT (usually animals such as lambs and oxen, and later his Son Jesus) has to die in order to redeem the guilty?
(Emphasis on the last point. If God is omnibenevolent and omnipotent, he would not have created a justice system in which innocents have to die. If he could have made another system but chose not to, he is not omnibenevolent, and if he would have liked to make a more just system but could not, he is not omnipotent.)
(Oh, yes, and he also plans to slaughter every living thing on earth and send the majority of human souls to hell, but that's sort of an obvious one to bring up.)



(Note to mods: This thread isn't exactly a "Conservative Only" discussion anymore. Should the thread be moved, or would you like me and most of the other people in the thread to stop talking?)

 

[Father Heathen]

I will not be the one endangering a human. It is you who is supporting the killing of an innocent life. If the women wants to put herself into danger to "get rid" of something she does not want, as if it is a piece of garbage, then she knows she will have to look else where. If her disdain and hatred for innocence and life is so great that she will put herself into danger to have an abortion, that is up to her and her conscience.

No matter how much you stomp your feet and try to declare otherwise, a fetus lacks the qualities that define personhood, therefore it is not a person.

 

[blackout]

I HIGHLY doubt Jesus would be a voter.

So much so that I'm SURE of it.

 

[Bob Dixon]

I HIGHLY doubt Jesus would be a voter.

So much so that I'm SURE of it.

If anything, he'd be the write-in candidate!

 

[no-body]

None of the above. But Jesus would put a boot in the *** of most conservatives today, he loved sinners and commingled with them freely, eating with them and respecting them without asking for anything because he knew they would be way more grateful. It was the business men, right wing pharisees and hypocrites which most piqued him.

 

[beenie]

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[JacobEzra.]

None of the above. But Jesus would put a boot in the *** of most conservatives today, he loved sinners and commingled with them freely, eating with them and respecting them without asking for anything because he knew they would be way more grateful. It was the business men, right wing pharisees and hypocrites which most piqued him.

Explain how conservative are like pharisees and hypocrites.

And again Ill make the point, you think Jesus would be happy demoncrats who support abortion and homosexual marriage?

 

[sojourner]

I don't think Jesus gives a crap. Jesus would want us to stop wasting our time fiddling around with assigning political labels to him and get out there to feed the hungry, free the oppressed, clothe the naked, and proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.

 

[T-Dawg]

Explain how conservative are like pharisees and hypocrites.

They obsess over making public displays of how much they love God and how religious they are, just like Jesus condemned the Pharisees for doing.

And again Ill make the point, you think Jesus would be happy demoncrats who support abortion and homosexual marriage?

There's that "typo" again...

I think he'd be happier with the "demoncrats" and their abortions and homosexuality than he would with the Republicans and their hypocrisy, lack of concern for the poor, warmongering, etc. After all, he hung out with tax collectors and "sinners" and shunned the people who were considered "righteous" in his day.

Also, you seem to think that democrats are a unified party, like the Republicans are. They are not. There are many pro-life and pro-bigotry democrats, unfortunately. There are also many "conservatives" who voice their hatred for homosexuality and their support for "family values" in the loudest way they can, only to have the public discover their secrets of prostitution, adultery, and/or homosexuality.
Ted Haggard - RationalWiki
Larry Craig - RationalWiki
Jimmy Swaggart - RationalWiki
Jim Bakker - RationalWiki

 

[Tellurian]

I believe that Jesus is a conservative.

The biblical Jesus character was opposed by the conservatives, especially the conservative religious leaders. Biblical scriptures show that the Jesus in the gospel stories promoted communalism where everyone gave everything they owned to the religious community, and then things were parceled out according to their needs. This was similar to the economic systems used by historical Christian communities in America.

The biblical Jesus would not have been a conservative or liberal as we know the terms today. The term closest to describing him and the ways he taught would be communist.

 

[ChristineES]

I am not voting. Jesus wasn't American, he preached His word in Aramaic. I doubt Jesus or God would prescribe to any political side. It is my considered opinion that religion and politics do not mix.

 

[ChristineES]

I don't think Jesus gives a crap. Jesus would want us to stop wasting our time fiddling around with assigning political labels to him and get out there to feed the hungry, free the oppressed, clothe the naked, and proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.

Amen, brother. :clap