I can NEVER be a Jehovah's Witness! Here is why! I attend a JW Zoom meeting tomorrow though!

[Bree]

The Scripture also warns of people who create divisions, who twist the Scriptures to their own destruction, and strongly warns of those who will not listen to the Church!

if you consider the atrocities committed by 'the church' you would have to wonder if God would actually consider them worthy of holy spirit.

Has not the church supported the wars in the world? Has not the church sent its own soldiers into battle ie the crusades? And how about its involvment in politics?

The church has a long history of going against everything the Christ stood for and taught. I would not be putting my faith in a 'church' who has not followed the teachings of Christ and still to this day does not.

 

[Spiderman]

So how did it go?

I missed about 15 minutes of it because I had to go.

The stuff they said about King David being an unqualified humble Shepherd who didn't want to be King, and Saul wanting King David dead because of jealousy, really spoke to me , and a situation where I hated some one over jealousy, and people have been mean to me, maybe for the same reasons, so that was something to consider.

but Jehovah's witnesses claim to be Biblical, yet reject very clear verses of Scripture, as well as the Church that Jesus founded, so I don't feel I belong there, and it is NOT my cup of tea.

The Bible is full of illustrations, poetry, parables, hyperbole, gross exaggerations, and many passages that don't mean what they say.

So, the Bible is a terrible final authority on anything, and a terrible tool to use as a sole rule of faith and sacred Theology.

The Bible alone proves the Bible alone never was supposed to be the final or ultimate authority on faith and morals.

They had me muted, but I would love to let them have my ten cents on how Unbiblical Jehovah's witnesses are.

There is simply a 0 percent chance Jehovah's witnesses have the fullness of truth , and a 100% guarantee they do not, and all I need is the Bible to know that!

 

[Spiderman]

if you consider the atrocities committed by 'the church' you would have to wonder if God would actually consider them worthy of holy spirit.

Has not the church supported the wars in the world? Has not the church sent its own soldiers into battle ie the crusades? And how about its involvment in politics?

The church has a long history of going against everything the Christ stood for and taught. I would not be putting my faith in a 'church' who has not followed the teachings of Christ and still to this day does not.

Jehovah's witnesses do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ either, and the god of scripture commanded a lot worse atrocities than the Catholic Church did, per capita, when you look at the scorched Earth policies of annihilating everybody, man, woman, child , baby , and animals in those cities!

The god of scripture killed all the firstborn of Egypt , which included babies and children, making God not just a mass murderer, but a baby killer, killing the most innocent defenseless of human beings!

The god of scripture commanded people to kill pregnant women, babies, and children! The god of scripture drowned over 99.9% of the world's population, and having almost drowned to death (myself) in real life, I know that's a horrifying terrifying agonizing way to die!

So actually, beings that God is extremely cruel and a mass murderer! It sounds to me like the Catholic Church was likely God's instrument of vengeance at times!

I don't agree with a lot of the Catholic church, and what they have done, and I hate wars, but apparently God loves wars, and God loves drama, because scripture makes it very clear that God is a genocidal narcissist, even though you can find a few passages that will say the opposite, many others say otherwise!

The Bible contains many verses that say the opposite of what other verses say! That is why it is a terrible tool to use as your final authority on anything!

Jesus Christ did not leave the early Christians with the bible, he left them with a church, and only one Church dates back to the time of Christ!

Outside of that teaching authority, there is confusion and division galore, and over 30,000 denominations all claiming the Bible alone as their soul rule and authority, yet they cannot agree on an official interpretation! Jesus Christ established a church to settle disputes on how to interpret the confusing Bible!

 

[Spiderman]

But the Catholic church is not just God's instrument of vengeance. The Catholic Church says that salvation is hinging upon charity and love, if you read the catechism.

The Catholic church has done more to feed the hungry, give to the needy, shelter the homeless, care for the sick, build hospitals, build schools and universities, educate people, and help relieve suffering, than any religion or institution on the face of the Earth, in the history of the world!

The Catholic Church does more to carry out the corporal and Spiritual works of Mercy that Jesus commanded, more sufficiently, better than, and to a greater extent , than anything else the world has ever seen!

But I'm not Catholic either, because some of it goes against my conscience, and I refuse to do what goes against my conscience! The Jehovah's witness belief that God doesn't burn people in hell, is actually a belief that I like! The problem is, it is highly unbiblical, and it is not what Jesus Christ taught!

Also, as I've said before, using the Bible as your soul rule for Faith and theology, is a highly unbiblical man-made practice and doctrine! The first Christians were not Bible Christians , and that is simply a fact!

The Bible says to listen to the church, and if somebody refuses to listen to the church, let them be to you as a pagan or a tax collector! Jehovah's witnesses are heretics, pure and simple, and in many ways they aren't even Christian, because they deny the Divinity of Christ, and they have disassociated themselves with the cross, which is the symbol for Christianity, and they believe Jesus was Michael the archangel!

But I'm not Catholic either! I think God is a lot more cruel and less charitable than a lot of people!

I personally think that God should be overthrown, supplanted, and replaced, by a person or a spirit who is actually kind, who is actually generous, who will actually provide for the starving, who will actually cure cancer, who will actually make the crippled get out of their wheelchairs and walk, who will actually intervene and help a child who calls out to him while they're getting molested or raped!

A loving God would also not speak in a bunch of illustrations, parables, and symbolism, that confuse everybody! A loving God would want as little division as possible, would want unity, and would want people to have understanding, therefore he would speak clearly to them so they could see and hear! A loving God would not hide himself, and NOT leave humanity feeling like he's not there, and feeling abandoned!

The current God we have is clearly not love, because his apathy and his cruelty is the opposite of what a loving God would do and fail to do!

 

[Spiderman]

Well i'm super impressed that he's actually considering attending one of our meetings

I love you dear sister in Christ!

And in your charity, pray that my eyes are opened, in Jesus name, and if you could bless me, I appreciate it!

 

[nPeace]

Ah! You a Brit? Great!
I can't ever be a JW, but over 30 years ago a JW couple couldn't find a place to park their car on our road and I told them that they could always park on our spare driveway. Ever since then they have called, enjoyed my wife's coffee and discussed and debated the gospels with me....they add still keep in contact and I hope they can come back now that lovkdownn is over.

You'll have to wait a few months before the face to face visits resume.
The Government lock-down may be over, but we are in no hurry.

Good to see you are not leaning against your door frame, and you gave the sincere couple a 'load off their feet'.
Are you usually lounging in your long chair?

I'm sure you don't only debate the Gospels though, so I'm sure they don't mind, at all.
+Your wife's coffer must be warm and refreshing.

 

[nPeace]

I missed about 15 minutes of it because I had to go.

The stuff they said about King David being an unqualified humble Shepherd who didn't want to be King, and Saul wanting King David dead because of jealousy, really spoke to me , and a situation where I hated some one over jealousy, and people have been mean to me, maybe for the same reasons, so that was something to consider.

but Jehovah's witnesses claim to be Biblical, yet reject very clear verses of Scripture, as well as the Church that Jesus founded, so I don't feel I belong there, and it is NOT my cup of tea.

The Bible is full of illustrations, poetry, parables, hyperbole, gross exaggerations, and many passages that don't mean what they say.

So, the Bible is a terrible final authority on anything, and a terrible tool to use as a sole rule of faith and sacred Theology.

The Bible alone proves the Bible alone never was supposed to be the final or ultimate authority on faith and morals.

They had me muted, but I would love to let them have my ten cents on how Unbiblical Jehovah's witnesses are.

There is simply a 0 percent chance Jehovah's witnesses have the fullness of truth , and a 100% guarantee they do not, and all I need is the Bible to know that!

Let's suppose we did agree that JWs don't have the fullness of the truth. Who does, would you say?
If you can't think of any, how does it hurt to listen to meetings where Bible principles are discussed?
Might there be other things you might benefit from... and who knows what else can happen.

 

[YoursTrue]

I missed about 15 minutes of it because I had to go.

The stuff they said about King David being an unqualified humble Shepherd who didn't want to be King, and Saul wanting King David dead because of jealousy, really spoke to me , and a situation where I hated some one over jealousy, and people have been mean to me, maybe for the same reasons, so that was something to consider.

but Jehovah's witnesses claim to be Biblical, yet reject very clear verses of Scripture, as well as the Church that Jesus founded, so I don't feel I belong there, and it is NOT my cup of tea.

The Bible is full of illustrations, poetry, parables, hyperbole, gross exaggerations, and many passages that don't mean what they say.

So, the Bible is a terrible final authority on anything, and a terrible tool to use as a sole rule of faith and sacred Theology.

The Bible alone proves the Bible alone never was supposed to be the final or ultimate authority on faith and morals.

They had me muted, but I would love to let them have my ten cents on how Unbiblical Jehovah's witnesses are.

There is simply a 0 percent chance Jehovah's witnesses have the fullness of truth , and a 100% guarantee they do not, and all I need is the Bible to know that!

What's a Shintopathic?

 

[Spiderman]

What's a Shintopathic?

Belief in spirits and God, with no other Dogmas.

 

[YoursTrue]

Belief in spirits and God, with no other Dogmas.

To be honest with you, these spirits you believe in can be hurting you mentally.

 

[Spiderman]

To be honest with you, these spirits you believe in can be hurting you mentally.

Source?

 

[YoursTrue]

Source?

Right now my knowledge does not matter in reference to this. Especially since you don't believe in the Bible. Perhaps later. As a side note, some people take mind-altering drugs, including tranquilizers, etc. Or other types, legal and illegal, which can influence one's thinking.
But tell me, what is your hope for the future? Your future?

 

[Spiderman]

Right now my knowledge does not matter in reference to this. Especially since you don't believe in the Bible. Perhaps later. As a side note, some people take mind-altering drugs, including tranquilizers, etc. Or other types, legal and illegal, which can influence one's thinking.
But tell me, what is your hope for the future? Your future?

Do the will of whoever is the most wise, generous, kind, charitable spirit, and all Spirits and Angels allied with him/her.

I don't get to decide exactly what I will do. I am praying for a wiser entity (s) to make that decision. Most likely God and Jesus, but there are billions of Spirits in an alliance with them.

I want to be wise, generous, and relieve suffering in this world, and help others do the same.

 

[oldbadger]

the zoom meetings are conducted just like our regular meetings. We moved the meetings to zoom right at the beginning of the pandemic in 2020 and they have been going ever since.

I dont mind seeing those 'do no knock' signs on the doors... i usually leave a note in the letterbox instead

I understand, our regular JW visitors have explained about zoom meetings, usually amongst themselves I think.

And 'yes', we had a very nice introductory JW letter posted to us this last weekend, it must have been printed but it looked as if hand-written on lined paper...by a JW who we don't know. We look forward to seeing our JW visitors again....... They travel from Canterbury Kent to Chelmsford Essex a lot to assist in the building of a new central hub building for England, or maybe even the whole UK.

 

[oldbadger]

You'll have to wait a few months before the face to face visits resume.
The Government lock-down may be over, but we are in no hurry.

Good to see you are not leaning against your door frame, and you gave the sincere couple a 'load off their feet'.
Are you usually lounging in your long chair?

I'm sure you don't only debate the Gospels though, so I'm sure they don't mind, at all.
+Your wife's coffer must be warm and refreshing.

I get a stool out because we give the JW couple our chairs to sit in.....we have a tiny lounge, you see. You can't look so smug on a stool....could fall off it.

We debate hotly, and over thirty years we have learned a great deal from each other. It might seem strange but although I debate against an 'aware involved God' I can often help with info that might debate against the 'mythers', those who declare that the whole of the NT (and even the OT) is a myth. And the JWs have helped enormously with their intimate knowledge of the bible...... I only concentrate on the gospels and the laws of Moses, so there's lots for them to refer me to.

 

[Bree]

I love you dear sister in Christ!

And in your charity, pray that my eyes are opened, in Jesus name, and if you could bless me, I appreciate it!

I always pray that people who are searching for spiritual fulfillment will find it...and that includes you.

I know religion is a very confusing thing. Satan has made it that way to make it difficult for people to find God. But you can learn a lot about who God is by looking at Jesus Christ and his life and the way he treated people. He reflected the very personality of God himself so when you read the accounts in the gospels about what Jesus did and how he acted, it can really help you draw close to God.

Put all other things aside, your dislike for the OT accounts of wars, the seeming contradictions in the bible, the wide variety of christian denominations and their very many differing beliefs and opinions....put all that aside and study the life Jesus Christ. There has never been a greater personage then Jesus and he is well worth learning from.

I wish you all the best in your search brother.

 

[2ndpillar]

The book of Hebrews states, “To which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my son’? . . . Let all the angels of God worship him. . . . Your throne, O God, stands firm forever. . . . O Lord, you established the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands . . . to which of the angels has he ever said, ‘Sit at my right hand’?” (Heb. 1).

You might want to read Job 2:1 as to who were God's sons. As for Hebrews, and its unknown author, which many claim was Paul, Paul would be Satan's'/devils messenger with respect to the dissemination of the message of the devil (Matthew 13:24-29 & 39).

 

[2ndpillar]

And the JWs have helped enormously with their intimate knowledge of the bible

I don't know. I have had many JWs come to my door, and I have even given them decent chairs to sit on, yet I have never came across any JWs who were well acquainted with what is in the bible apart from what they have been indoctrinated with.

 

[Spiderman]

You might want to read Job 2:1 as to who were God's sons. As for Hebrews, and its unknown author, which many claim was Paul, Paul would be Satan's'/devils messenger with respect to the dissemination of the message of the devil (Matthew 13:24-29 & 39).

The babble contradicts itself and needs the Church to give a sound, correct interpretation, and settle disputes on correct interpretation of scripture or Doctrine!

 

[cataway]

i am liking the zoom thing ,we have had speakers from 7 different states . never imagined that could ever happen