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I found a sort of god that I predict can't be "disproven" by atheist but it's not Jesus or Buddha etc

ChieftheCef

Well-Known Member
I wrote them into a sort of poem

What is all encompasing, infinite and eternal?

Comes before anything and is after if tomorrow comes?

That which is within and without?

Which composes all things?

Who seems empty but is never exhausted?

Who is colourless, who has no form and looks like no creature?

Who permeates existence both as themselves and as the spark within you

Present in every space and outside it?

Inable to be comprehended by any man?

That which all religions are aiming at but missing?

Who are limited to and in and of themselves

That which is one thing, greatest of benefit?

That all things are and were made by?

To which we return to once dead?

That which guides all the badness into less distribution, dulls itself gradually, yet still fertilizes goodness?

That which is so unlimited it has all capabilities and stretches throughout and past every universe?

They the unique and indivisible?

That which excels in speed because of their girth?

They who exist independent of anything, who created all things?

Who does not even exist

Who composes consciousness and existence

They who are the final standard of what is right, making the most of itself, efficiency, practicality?

It is not that things are hard to distinguish without soliditiy

It is not because we want to be cool that we do not like labels

It is because the Ocean doing the wave, the reality doing the human

The Void from which we all emanate that unites us all

And it is limited not only to the self once, but to themselves again as the final standard

And together we stand by their universal decree

Their final standard

For when one hurts another, they feel the pain immediately,

As health, mental health, and reaction including happiness, and impact on the world

Which comes back to you

And throughout their life,

As impact on the world, including the self and everything else,

As impact on other people, further compounding impacts on the world which leads to the self

Regardless of who realizes it

Make the most of Nothing, be efficient, like we all do
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
That is nice, you have made a list of properties of various spiritualities that are entirely in the mind and thus non-transferable to any other mind unless you wish to add appropriate woo.

Which leaves me only with the question, to Poe or not to Poe.

Poe’s Law is named after Nathan Poe, an agnostic user on the message board Christian Forums who posted in 2005: “POES LAW: Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is uttrerly [sic] impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone wont mistake for the genuine article.” In a thread debating creationism, Poe wrote this in response to a comment: “Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious.
 

Soandso

ᛋᛏᚨᚾᛞ ᛋᚢᚱᛖ
Personally I'm not really interested in disproving any god. What I'm looking for is convincing evidence that any god claim exists. I like the poem, but I need something a bit more substantial to sink my teeth into
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I wrote them into a sort of poem

What is all encompasing, infinite and eternal?

Comes before anything and is after if tomorrow comes?

That which is within and without?

Which composes all things?

Who seems empty but is never exhausted?

Who is colourless, who has no form and looks like no creature?

Who permeates existence both as themselves and as the spark within you

Present in every space and outside it?

Inable to be comprehended by any man?

That which all religions are aiming at but missing?

Who are limited to and in and of themselves

That which is one thing, greatest of benefit?

That all things are and were made by?

To which we return to once dead?

That which guides all the badness into less distribution, dulls itself gradually, yet still fertilizes goodness?

That which is so unlimited it has all capabilities and stretches throughout and past every universe?

They the unique and indivisible?

That which excels in speed because of their girth?

They who exist independent of anything, who created all things?

Who does not even exist

Who composes consciousness and existence

They who are the final standard of what is right, making the most of itself, efficiency, practicality?

It is not that things are hard to distinguish without soliditiy

It is not because we want to be cool that we do not like labels

It is because the Ocean doing the wave, the reality doing the human

The Void from which we all emanate that unites us all

And it is limited not only to the self once, but to themselves again as the final standard

And together we stand by their universal decree

Their final standard

For when one hurts another, they feel the pain immediately,

As health, mental health, and reaction including happiness, and impact on the world

Which comes back to you

And throughout their life,

As impact on the world, including the self and everything else,

As impact on other people, further compounding impacts on the world which leads to the self

Regardless of who realizes it

Make the most of Nothing, be efficient, like we all do
You didn't "find" this "god," you invented it -- not entirely out of whole cloth since you used bits and pieces of various religious notions.

By the way, I just invented a machine that once you set it going, generates power forever without ever needing to be refueled. I'm having a little trouble turning it into a reality, however. How's yours coming along?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I wrote them into a sort of poem

What is all encompasing, infinite and eternal?

Comes before anything and is after if tomorrow comes?

That which is within and without?

Which composes all things?

Who seems empty but is never exhausted?

Who is colourless, who has no form and looks like no creature?

Who permeates existence both as themselves and as the spark within you

Present in every space and outside it?

Inable to be comprehended by any man?

That which all religions are aiming at but missing?

Who are limited to and in and of themselves

That which is one thing, greatest of benefit?

That all things are and were made by?

To which we return to once dead?

That which guides all the badness into less distribution, dulls itself gradually, yet still fertilizes goodness?

That which is so unlimited it has all capabilities and stretches throughout and past every universe?

They the unique and indivisible?

That which excels in speed because of their girth?

They who exist independent of anything, who created all things?

Who does not even exist

Who composes consciousness and existence

They who are the final standard of what is right, making the most of itself, efficiency, practicality?

It is not that things are hard to distinguish without soliditiy

It is not because we want to be cool that we do not like labels

It is because the Ocean doing the wave, the reality doing the human

The Void from which we all emanate that unites us all

And it is limited not only to the self once, but to themselves again as the final standard

And together we stand by their universal decree

Their final standard

For when one hurts another, they feel the pain immediately,

As health, mental health, and reaction including happiness, and impact on the world

Which comes back to you

And throughout their life,

As impact on the world, including the self and everything else,

As impact on other people, further compounding impacts on the world which leads to the self

Regardless of who realizes it

Make the most of Nothing, be efficient, like we all do

Since it is already impossible to prove that something doesn't exists, it seems like a lot of work for nothing.
But hey! Good on ya.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I wrote them into a sort of poem

What is all encompasing, infinite and eternal?

Comes before anything and is after if tomorrow comes?

That which is within and without?

Which composes all things?

Who seems empty but is never exhausted?

Who is colourless, who has no form and looks like no creature?

Who permeates existence both as themselves and as the spark within you

Present in every space and outside it?

Inable to be comprehended by any man?

That which all religions are aiming at but missing?

Who are limited to and in and of themselves

That which is one thing, greatest of benefit?

That all things are and were made by?

To which we return to once dead?

That which guides all the badness into less distribution, dulls itself gradually, yet still fertilizes goodness?

That which is so unlimited it has all capabilities and stretches throughout and past every universe?

They the unique and indivisible?

That which excels in speed because of their girth?

They who exist independent of anything, who created all things?

Who does not even exist

Who composes consciousness and existence

They who are the final standard of what is right, making the most of itself, efficiency, practicality?

It is not that things are hard to distinguish without soliditiy

It is not because we want to be cool that we do not like labels

It is because the Ocean doing the wave, the reality doing the human

The Void from which we all emanate that unites us all

And it is limited not only to the self once, but to themselves again as the final standard

And together we stand by their universal decree

Their final standard

For when one hurts another, they feel the pain immediately,

As health, mental health, and reaction including happiness, and impact on the world

Which comes back to you

And throughout their life,

As impact on the world, including the self and everything else,

As impact on other people, further compounding impacts on the world which leads to the self

Regardless of who realizes it

Make the most of Nothing, be efficient, like we all do
It's a low bar....a god whose existence can't be disproven.
There's generally no evidence one way or the other.
To paraphrase & re-purpose Wolfgang Pauli's line....
"It's not right. It's not even wrong!"
 

ChieftheCef

Well-Known Member
I don't know about us all, but you poem tries.
Oh we do! Imagine junkies. They had bad trauma, etc, so they make the most of nothing. They know that their drugs will help them with their trauma. So they take them. They don't realize that the feeling dulls with age and so they don't take breaks and then use. They are making the most of nothing.

Take thieves. They again are making the most of nothing. They learn how to make the best short-term gains because that's all they can do09. They are not simply lying down and dying.

Now, for a fun one, take depression. Lying down and dying. They are making the most of nothing. They are showing utter efficiency as all phenomena of the realities do. They received the input from their world and us, they are not welcome. So they kill themselves.

They are all making the most of nothing. They are taking their input from their reality and producing output. It's like math equations

X happens to Y so they Z.
 

ChieftheCef

Well-Known Member
Personally I'm not really interested in disproving any god. What I'm looking for is convincing evidence that any god claim exists. I like the poem, but I need something a bit more substantial to sink my teeth into
I'll get it. Just have to reengineer it.
 

ChieftheCef

Well-Known Member
You didn't "find" this "god," you invented it -- not entirely out of whole cloth since you used bits and pieces of various religious notions.
I didn't invent it, I found it and confirmed it with entheogenic substances and trance states and mediation and everything else.
By the way, I just invented a machine that once you set it going, generates power forever without ever needing to be refueled. I'm having a little trouble turning it into a reality, however. How's yours coming along?
The problem is your machine is a machination of imagination, nothing is a real scientific phenomena.
 
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ChieftheCef

Well-Known Member
It's a low bar....a god whose existence can't be disproven.
There's generally no evidence one way or the other.
To paraphrase & re-purpose Wolfgang Pauli's line....
"It's not right. It's not even wrong!"
Actually, there is, nothing created everything according to science. And it fits the bill of Monad, Animating Force, Supreme God, Underlying Principle, etc. whatever you want top call it.
 

ChieftheCef

Well-Known Member
Personally I'm not really interested in disproving any god. What I'm looking for is convincing evidence that any god claim exists. I like the poem, but I need something a bit more substantial to sink my teeth into
Stephen Hawking famously stated: “Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist."

i.e. nothing, absence is eternal and dictates what

I PREDICT, assuredly, that Nothing is the background to which space-time operates. Think of a tree. It is the background to which you operate.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Actually, there is, nothing created everything according to science. And it fits the bill of Monad, Animating Force, Supreme God, Underlying Principle, etc. whatever you want top call it.
I know only that everything is....ie, that it exists.
It's origin appears to be expansion of it all
from a singularity. The how, why, & whence
are beyond me. I don't seek or invent answers
to things unknowable.
 

ChieftheCef

Well-Known Member
I know only that everything is....ie, that it exists.
It's origin appears to be expansion of it all
from a singularity. The how, why, & whence
are beyond me. I don't seek or invent answers
to things unknowable.
Neither do I thanks for the obvious insult.
 

ChieftheCef

Well-Known Member
Yeah typical atheist trash. Resort to mind games so that I can be upity to anyone who present knowledge that's not so scientifically proven we have actually looked for why it may be true.

I did like you, guy with the futhark. You show yourself to be noticeably mature.
 
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