I Found An Intelligent Atheist, But He's Still Wrong

[icehorse]

Ha ha. The Christians had many scientists, much more than the atheist scientists. Let's talk about Louis Pasteur and his swan neck flask. With that, he scientifically proved that one can not have abiogenesis.

Wait! You just moved the goalposts!

 

[james bond]

That's great news, since I don't intend to send myself to hell. That would be pretty foolish, don't you think?



Not the God of the Christian Bible, who is arguably the most vicious monster from a human perspective in all of history and fiction.

Can you name another character in all of history and fiction that is alleged to have killed or intends to kill more human beings than Jehovah, or that inflicted more suffering on the human race than Jehovah? He once cruelly and unjustly drowned almost the entire planet including the animals, has commanded countless genocides, and intends to destroy the earth and all life on it with a fiery apocalypse.

Can you name another character that has been more unjust than the one who punished every member of the human race for the predictable disobedience of a couple of naive young people still lacking the knowledge of good and evil and left in the presence of a malicious deceiver that God threw out of heaven and unleashed on mankind? As a result of the Fall, men must toil in the fields, and women suffer and often die in childbirth. Even the beasts were punished, turning on one another for food.

And then there's hell, which makes everything just noted pale in comparison.

Darth Vader and Lex Luther can't touch that record. Nor can Satan. Nor can Hitler or Pol Pot.

Yet Craig (and most other Christians) is still willing to call that a good god. I call that belief evidence of a moral failing. So does Sam Harris.

>>That's great news, since I don't intend to send myself to hell. That would be pretty foolish, don't you think?<<

Your choices are important. Jesus will the one judging and sentencing you to hell and the angels will carry it out. I would think it's foolish.

 

[james bond]

For one thing, all human flesh will be destroyed, the human mind included. Everything will be spiritual. Spirits live forever, think forever, feel forever.

That's not the way I read it. The spiritually perfect self gets destroyed in the lake of fire. Thus, one loses their soul or identity. The flesh will be left on earth. As for the mind, I tend to think it's more than a brain or the output of the brain. That said, if I was in western medicine, then it's more the brain than the mind. The mind is more for psychologists and the social scientists.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Ha ha. The Christians had many scientists, much more than the atheist scientists. Let's talk about Louis Pasteur and his swan neck flask. With that, he scientifically proved that one can not have abiogenesis.

Nope. Pasteur (and Redi) did no such thing.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Ha ha. The Christians had many scientists, much more than the atheist scientists. Let's talk about Louis Pasteur and his swan neck flask. With that, he scientifically proved that one can not have abiogenesis.

That's simply not true.

 

[Looncall]

Well, you're wrong.

The scoundrels that promote so-called creation science, Answers in Genesis and ICR, require their members to subscribe to a "statement of faith" that requires them to lie through their teeth.

The Wedge Document shows that the aim of so-called creation science is to establish theocracy.

There is nothing honest about the creation science movement. Their pronouncements are so absurd that mocking laughter is the only possible response from people not taken in by their vicious con game.

 

[Corvus]

"Yet my first philosophical thoughts came in childhood, at the age of 8 when my cousin and I were trying to find two clover leafs that were exactly the same. It gradually dawned on me that our search was futile since no two objects, clover leafs or whatever, could be exactly the same, i.e., have all their properties – including being in the same place at the same time – in common. As I learned later, I had discovered Leibniz's Principle of the Identity of Indiscernibles for myself.

That is the problem with philosophy, it is often unmitigated crap. Bosons are identical in every way to other bosons of the same kind and they can occupy the same quantum states and thus the same space. Hence the existence of Bose-einstein condensates. Just saying.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Ha ha. The Christians had many scientists, much more than the atheist scientists.

"Science done by Christians" <> "creation science"

 

[james bond]

"Science done by Christians" <> "creation science"

Christian scientists created modern science. Atheist scientists created being wrong in science, as atheists are usually wrong. Wrong science is poo poo.

 

[james bond]

That is the problem with philosophy, it is often unmitigated crap. Bosons are identical in every way to other bosons of the same kind and they can occupy the same quantum states and thus the same space. Hence the existence of Bose-einstein condensates. Just saying.

Ha ha. Internet atheists.

 

[james bond]

Nope. Pasteur (and Redi) did no such thing.

Bwahahahahahahaha. You don't know science.

 

[james bond]

That's simply not true.

Atheists are usually wrong.

With this, I will be leaving RF for some time. I just started a new project in my life and I'm going to focus on it and will just have to leave the atheists and agnostics on RF to their own false reasoning.

 

[james bond]

I guess I'll leave what the Bible says about non-believers here. Good luck in finding your way in the afterlife.

Non Believers

2 John 1:9-11 ESV / 591 helpful votes
Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

2 Corinthians 6:14 ESV / 383 helpful votes
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

1 Corinthians 15:33 ESV / 373 helpful votes
Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”

1 Corinthians 7:13-14 ESV / 320 helpful votes
If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

John 3:16 ESV / 250 helpful votes
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Matthew 7:21-23 ESV / 249 helpful votes
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Proverbs 3:5-7 ESV / 248 helpful votes
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ESV / 214 helpful votes
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV / 213 helpful votes
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

2 Chronicles 15:12-13 ESV / 212 helpful votes
And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

Psalm 14:1 ESV / 127 helpful votes
To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.

1 Corinthians 7:12-16:24 ESV / 112 helpful votes
To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace. For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife? ...

The rest here (too much to list)
What Does the Bible Say About Non Believers?

 

[Corvus]

I guess I'll leave what the Bible says about non-believers here. Good luck in finding your way in the afterlife.

It's this life I do know I care about, not the next one that I have no evidence for. If I wasted my life waiting for some reward in the next life, then I am a very silly person. Oblivion does not scare me, neither do tall tales of sadistic demons and lakes of fire, what scares me is the idea of living forever in some ethereal world, losing all individuality and kissing God's *** for perpeptuity, along with obnoxious zealous far right/alt right/conservative right Christians.

Heaven and hell are narratives used as tools to effect obediance to the faith and it's authority. The age old Carrot and Stick method of coercion. Works well on Donkeys.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Atheists are usually wrong.

With this, I will be leaving RF for some time. I just started a new project in my life and I'm going to focus on it and will just have to leave the atheists and agnostics on RF to their own false reasoning.

Solid exit post. Stay classy.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Wait! You just moved the goalposts!

Moved them? You're trying to argue with someone riding a unicycle while juggling three goalposts.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Atheists are usually wrong.

With this, I will be leaving RF for some time. I just started a new project in my life and I'm going to focus on it and will just have to leave the atheists and agnostics on RF to their own false reasoning.

No doubt the other pigeons will be enthralled at your tales of victory on the chessboard.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

It's this life I do know I care about, not the next one that I have no evidence for. If I wasted my life waiting for some reward in the next life, then I am a very silly person. Oblivion does not scare me, neither do tall tales of sadistic demons and lakes of fire, what scares me is the idea of living forever in some ethereal world, losing all individuality and kissing God's *** for perpeptuity, along with obnoxious zealous far right/alt right/conservative right Christians.

Heaven and hell are narratives used as tools to effect obediance to the faith and it's authority. The age old Carrot and Stick method of coercion. Works well on Donkeys.

Christianity doesn't have much of a carrot. I agree with you that the idea of spending eternity basically living in an environment like that Trump cabinet meeting in which we saw his cabinet of minions going around the room taking turns groveling and pledging fealty is not appealing.

Actually, the thought of having to exist for eternity with no way out is pretty terrifying even if it didn't entail eternal worship. If one had the chance to make the irreversible decision of whether to be kept awake forever after death, or to be allowed to sleep instead, it's the fool that would choose the former. The risks would be far too great.