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It's ok, I'm from London, we call anyone buddy here.
No, we don't proclaim "peace and security".
You don't seem sincere. It seems that you asking for malicious reasons, not that you actually care for the answers. And yes some of those questions I could not answer as the bible gives no instructions regarding it,so unless you want me to make it up as I go along I won't answer, hence why I called it foolish questioning.
Of course there are difference, once again, what is your point?
Please slow down with your posts. By the time I finish one there are three more, have some patience.
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No one can make a disciple other than God. We can play a role in the disciple making but its God who's really making the disciples through us. This principle can be found in the verse below.
(1 Corinthians 3:5-7) "...What, then, is A·polʹlos? Yes, what is Paul? Ministers through whom you became believers, just as the Lord granted each one. 6 I planted, A·polʹlos watered, but God kept making it grow, 7 so that neither is the one who plants anything nor is the one who waters, but God who makes it grow..."
Simple, because the ones on earth aren't part of the 144,000 in heaven yet. You don't become part of the 144,000 until you're in heaven. The ones whom we refer to as the anointed and governing body aren't part of the 144,000 until their death and resurrection into heaven.
Thank you, how Christ like you are to say so.
Though you do teach that your places of worship are places of true peace and security. I know this is a fact so you need not answer me. I was JW for 20 years. I think I might know the Bible better than you do.
I am sorry
I want scriptural answers that make sense. I have found that every important rule has at least a twin to prove it. If there is not twin, the interpretation can't be right.
Thank you for that.
My point is that God commands we disciple nations. What does it mean? I think it means that we are to listen to what the spirit says to the congregations, obey it, and doing so as we go to every nation by doing so we will be calling people to gather to Christ. We do not make them. They make themselves disciples by the grace of God
Thank you. Perhaps you believe you can not learn from me but that I must learn from you. Is this true?
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Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. James 1:17
Comes from above. Not through people. But by our telling them how, they be be wise to it. It is about growing up.
Comes from above. Not through people. But by our telling them how, they be be wise to it. It is about growing up.
Ha! Only a stupid person wages their intelligence and knowledge against someone they don't even know. How long have I been a JW since that is an apparent measure in biblical knowledge, and what are my other credentials?
My home is a place of peace and security, so is a kingdom hall, so are some churches and other public places. We don't proclaim peace and security as mentioned in the bible as we understand only real peace and security will comes when Gods promise is fulfilled, if you were actually listening at the meetings you would have known this. There is no such thing as peace and security in Satans world.
Did you even read the scripture!? You're making a habit out of needing to hear things twice, i'll post it again:
(1 Corinthians 3:5-7) "...What, then, is A·polʹlos? Yes, what is Paul? Ministers through whom you became believers, just as the Lord granted each one. 6 I planted, A·polʹlos watered, but God kept making it grow, 7 so that neither is the one who plants anything nor is the one who waters, but God who makes it grow..."
Hint hint, look at the bolded red. If God does something using a person, then it can be said that God did it through them, do you even english?
They've never called themselves part of the 144,000, again, you obviously weren't listening in the meetings, if you even attended that is.
When have I ever said you're going to die a terrible death for me not to be Christlike, try not letting your emotions get the better of you? Moreover what does "I refuse your part of the 144,000" even mean, what are you talking about?
Paradise Earth is not a promise. It is being taught to live for it.
Who are living for it are sheep. Who are living against it are goats.
Who are living for it are sheep. Who are living against it are goats.
I'm doubting how much of a JW you were. You say you were a JW for 20years and yet don't know our basic teaching. For one we don't believe some of the governing body will go to heaven but all. The governing body are only a small group of men atm, six or seven, obviously the rest of the anointed on earth are not to be forgotten. Second the WT doesn't teach that ALL must agree, the internet and most probably anti-witness stuff has polluted your mind. We can believe in different things but we just can't cause divisions, although core believes such as Gods identity and his sons relationship must be in union, as per John 17:3. Who else other than people who know who God and his son is be part of the 144,000??
Paradise IS a promise to those who are faithful.
(Matthew 5:5) “...[Jesus said] Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth..."
(Psalm 37:29) "...The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it..."
Why is it you left us JW's?
I remember. It was being taught that
19 Does the faithful slave receive a greater reward in heaven than the rest of the anointed? No. A reward promised to a small group in one setting may ultimately be shared by others. For example, consider what Jesus said to his 11 faithful apostles the night before he died.(Read Luke 22:28-30.) Jesus promised that small group of men that a fine reward awaited them for their faithfulness. They would share his throne of kingly authority. But years later, he indicated that all of the 144,000 will sit on thrones and share his rulership. (Rev. 1:1; 3:21) Similarly, as stated at Matthew 24:47, he promised that a small group of men—the anointed brothers who make up the faithful slave—will be appointed over all his belongings. In reality, all of the 144,000 will share his vast heavenly authority.—Rev. 20:4, 6.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20130715/who-is-faithful-discreet-slave/
19 Does the faithful slave receive a greater reward in heaven than the rest of the anointed? No. A reward promised to a small group in one setting may ultimately be shared by others. For example, consider what Jesus said to his 11 faithful apostles the night before he died.(Read Luke 22:28-30.) Jesus promised that small group of men that a fine reward awaited them for their faithfulness. They would share his throne of kingly authority. But years later, he indicated that all of the 144,000 will sit on thrones and share his rulership. (Rev. 1:1; 3:21) Similarly, as stated at Matthew 24:47, he promised that a small group of men—the anointed brothers who make up the faithful slave—will be appointed over all his belongings. In reality, all of the 144,000 will share his vast heavenly authority.—Rev. 20:4, 6.
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20130715/who-is-faithful-discreet-slave/
One of your JWs sisters on the forum keeps telling us that if we do not eat at your table we will die. By the way, I had a foggy memory about them all being anointed 144,000 bound but I am forgetful lately.
You did not answer me. Do you believe it is impossible that you can learn from me? Must I change my mind to think like you again to be welcome into your "promised" paradise?
Alert! There is a difference between being an inheritor and getting it.
I heard from an elder that I must agree with the governing body on everything. Is this not true anymore?
You obviously don't understand what you just posted. Remember, you stated "I think that they used to call themselves of the 144,000", I told you that they didn't. Now you've just posted the above, nowhere in the above does it show the governing body or the anointed ones being called the 144,000. It does read that all the anointed and governing body "will be appointed", notice the future tense "will be" appointed to the 144,000 and not "are already" the 144,000. Once again, you CANNOT be part of the 144,000 until you're in heaven.
So? Am I responsible for someones actions who I don't even know?
As I said, you must believe in the core teachings of the Bible and be baptized in that teaching, if the only branch of religion who teach what the bible actually teaches is the JW's, then you would get baptized under us. Its not my paradise, but, Gods. Anyone can learn off anyone.
And that's the exact reason why I also showed Psalms 37:29 along with it, as the scripture sheds some light on the matter, it states "the righteous" are the ones who will possess it. Therefore if Jesus again mentioned that the Earth will be inherited in Matt 5:5, then it will be non-other than the righteous mentioned in Psalms 37:29 who will be inheriting it.