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I have another question for YOU to ignore

savagewind

savagewind

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djhwoodwerks said:
Isn't that what I've been saying?
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No. You are saying the Bible is Jesus, the one to be trusted with life, the way, the truth and the life.



So, you don't learn from the Bible?
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Why won't you listen?




You tell me if you think He is.

John 1:1 (ESV Strong's) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 (ESV Strong's) 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Revelation 19:13 (ESV Strong's) 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.
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YOU say Jesus is the words of God, the Bible. I say Jesus is The Word of God, a son. A living son. Living means able to communicate. Doesn't it?

Why doesn't anybody who wants to hear hear? They don't have the ear to hear.
Read it, for goodness' sake! Whoever HAS AN EAR.....HEAR.

I do not know how an ear is obtained. I think I was born with mine. Maybe you have to buy it if you do not have it. With what? Mammon Haha.
 
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djhwoodwerks

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savagewind said:
The Lord is mammon, and nobody seems to know that but me.
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I wonder why that is!

savagewind said:
The words of the Bible are words someone else heard. Correct? What is written about leaning on the understanding of others?
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How can you denounce the validity of the Bible and then use what is written in it to support that what you say is true, in the same sentence?


savagewind said:
What is written in Revelation? Listen to what the Spirit says to the congregation. LISTEN. Have you turned listen into read? Have you turned hear into reason? Oh, your JW is showing. It is what they do.
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Why do you ask me if I've turned "listen into read" when you say, "What is "written" in Revelation"? You keep putting the Bible down as it is not something we should follow, but you keep quoting from it!
 
savagewind

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djhwoodwerks said:
I wonder why that is!
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LOL I hope you did that on purpose to be funny. Or is it posisble you are that big of a jerk?



How can you denounce the validity of the Bible and then use what is written in it to support that what you say is true, in the same sentence?
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I do not denounce the validity of the Bible. I denounce some certain scriptures IN IT. Are you really, actually this stupid?




Why do you ask me if I've turned "listen into read" when you say, "What is "written" in Revelation"? You keep putting the Bible down as it is not something we should follow, but you keep quoting from it!c
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Why not tell me how it is possible to follow The living Christ AND follow the Bible? Actually, the Bible is not moving so..........
....or are we going to waste more precious time talking about the real meaning of follow?
 
savagewind

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According to you, did Jesus MAKE people follow him or did they follow because they wanted to follow? Who made them want to follow, according to the gospel of @djhwoodwerks ? You say Christ's disciples make people want to follow Christ. YOU are not paying attention. Go get an ear, please.
 
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djhwoodwerks

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savagewind said:
I do not denounce the validity of the Bible. I denounce some certain scriptures IN IT. Are you really, actually this stupid?
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That sounds like the 'witness' double talk there!

Is that not denouncing the validity of the Bible?

You can't say, "the Bible is a valid book, except for, this and this and this"
 
savagewind

savagewind

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djhwoodwerks said:
That sounds like the 'witness' double talk there!

Is that not denouncing the validity of the Bible?

You can't say, "the Bible is a valid book, except for, this and this and this"
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You are either really intelligent and are trolling me, or you are not and are serious.
I do not believe the Bible is infallible.

YOU say it is. I do not know if you really believe it or you are debating for naught.

If it is infallible then it was protected each time any kind of person handled it. Got the picture?

Isn't it true that in this world innocent babies get raped. Got the picture?

WHY does God protect every word which is attributed to God's son but does not protect babies?

God would have to get INTO the mind and hands of everyone who wrote, copied and/or translated any Bible verse, but God won't get into the mind of someone thinking of rape or torture.

Tell me WHY, please.
 
savagewind

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djhwoodwerks said:
Matthew 4:19 (ESV Strong's) 19 And he said to them, “Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.”
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OK. But you are saying that the Bible does that. I believe Jesus can transform a person. Absolutely and definitely can and does.
According to you, does a person need a Bible also? I say no. But a Bible sure is a handy thing if a person wishes to waste some time on the internet. Don't you think?
 
savagewind

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@djhwoodwerks you seem to think that I am against the fact that a person can be taught by The Bible and by other people.

Which reminds me of a question. To disciple is a verb meaning to be taught. It is written that when someone called Jesus, "teacher", he did not refuse that.
A disciple of Jesus is one taught by Jesus. I think this can not be disputed, but someone might try.

To make a disciple of Jesus does not take another disciple of Jesus for it. Correct? Anyone, a disciple or someone who is not, is able to cause another person
to seek Jesus to learn from him. Is this correct, in your opinion?

The question. Can only disciples make more disciples, or can anyone make a disciple?
 
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djhwoodwerks

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savagewind said:
If it is infallible then it was protected each time any kind of person handled it. Got the picture?
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I believe the Bible to be infallible, the Bible that is translated word for word from the Greek and Hebrew letters, with nothing added or taken away. It is not protected each time someone handles it. Take the NWT as an example. How much of that Bible has been changed? Got the picture?
 
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djhwoodwerks

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savagewind said:
To make a disciple of Jesus does not take another disciple of Jesus for it. Correct? Anyone, a disciple or someone who is not, is able to cause another person to seek Jesus to learn from him. Is this correct, in your opinion?
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I see you were very careful not to use the word "make" in that question!

That is correct. God can use anyone or anything to cause/make someone learn from Jesus.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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djhwoodwerks said:
Which is it? Is the Bible fallible or valid?
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OK Word debate though I trust scrupture which says it is of no value. 2 Timothy 2:14

Do you see valid here?

Or do you see infallible here:

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savagewind

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Valid and infallible are not on the same scale.

It is acceptable in a legal sense, thus valid. It is not perfect, thus is not infallible.

God alone is infallible. I do not know why there are people who do not know that. If anything else is really infallible it means God has competition. God does not have competition. Honest to God.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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djhwoodwerks said:
Why would you believe someone can be taught "TRUTH" from a book that is full of mistakes?
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I have heard of a math textbook with a mistake in it. (How embarrassing). According to you, can that text still teach math?

By the way, YOU say I say it is "full of" mistakes. I do not say that.
 
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