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I heard some rather interesting POVs on racism, sexism, and Feminism. Thoughts?

Badran

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Humanism and Egalitarianism are not as good as Feminism.

I'm not sure since i don't live in a society in which such terms are used, but personally i don't think identifying either as a feminist or egalitarian/humanist dictates any of the things that criticisms aimed at those labels usually imply.

That is, i don't consider a self-identified egalitarian to be in anyway necessarily carrying an anti-feminism bias or sympathy towards MRA, and i don't consider a self-identified feminist to be in anyway necessarily too oriented towards women's issues and uncaring about men's issues, or embracing of a mentality that is too restrictive, or carrying bias towards men, etc. I think people should identify with whatever they think is more helpful and whatever makes them feel most at home, and then be judged based on their views and actions.

On a personal level i identify as feminist, but don't particularly wear that unless if asked, since i don't feel i actually possess any reasonable knowledge or to have done to any considerable lengths things that would make me feel very comfortable identifying as such. As in, when i wear a label, i feel a need to earn it somehow. I feel similar shortcomings towards other labels despite feeling personal identification with them.

People of color can't be racist and woman can't be sexist

People of color and woman can be bigoted and discriminatory, but they can't be racist towards whites or sexist towards men. Racism and Sexism are institutionalized and benefit the majority (white people), and to put down minorities. Since people of color and woman don't have as much institutional power as white, biological men, they can't be inherently sexist or racist.

I think making a distinction between institutionalized racism and sexism and other forms of less powerful or widespread racism and sexism is fine, and makes sense. In that, at least, a person can identify how harmful one of them has been and how much less serious the other might be. That said, i don't see any grounds based upon which it can be said that such less widespread and powerful forms of sexism and racism are non-existent.

I think it's pretty clear that anyone can hold racist and sexist views, and that anyone can engage in racist and sexist views towards any demographic. The effects of said views and actions on the ground may differ wildly but the principle is the same.

White people can't laugh at racist jokes, but other racial groups can.

I think that's a terrible simplification of a terribly complicated issue. First, rather than the above, in principle and in general, i think some race related jokes are not cool for anyone to laugh at or say, and that some are alright, depending on intent and other more defined factors.

Second, on a more specific level, depending on the joke and what it targets, it might be more or less offensive depending on who it is being said from, and in some cases that's understandable. Such as, a black person targeting other black people, Vs a white person targeting black people. In an ideal world, it shouldn't make any difference. But given the reality of things, i think that much at least is understandable. That not both will be perceived exactly similarly, and that one would be much more dangerous than the other. That said, i don't think it's appropriate to actually categorize one as fine and the other as not fine without considering the specifics of each case, and that's one part of the disagreement with the above quote.

Another part, is the idea that one specific demographic of people shouldn't even enjoy the humor made by any person of a different demographic targeting his/her own. There's too much inappropriate guilt distribution there in my judgment, and it creates a separation between people that's not actually something i see as helpful in addressing issues with racism.
 
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Gehennaite

Active Member
  • Humanism and Egalitarianism are not as good as Feminism.
  • People of color can't be racist and woman can't be sexist
  • White people can't laugh at racist jokes, but other racial groups can.

Thoughts?
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I noticed your flag very liberal, it looks a biy like the gay pride thingy, I usually regrad homosexuality at arms length I am not liberal , you might want to know what some of them, are like if you dont alreday? assuming someone who is dark skinned to be a rapper hip hopper is stereo typical racism, that is right up there with crack dealer, smack dealer pimp wanting all the white girls, and accusing someone of being gay or making someone look gay/homosexual is one of he first racist weapons they use, I am heterosexual, don’t do crack or smack and I don’t believe in having relationship with white women and try to avoid all the stereotypical racist types , also I don’t fraternize with gays and homosexual are also sometimes one of the worse people for racial assumption.
 
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