I just saw this ridiculous commercial for the 2nd time:

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Why not? That’s what you’re giving. Every time you say you “understand the evidence”.
That’s interesting, because even PhD geologists and paleontologists cant agree on even the interpretation of the Pleistocene megafaunal extinction evidence!

NOVA | Megabeasts' Sudden Death | The Extinction Debate | PBS

Yet it fits what would result from the Noachian Flood, perfectly! (With the 'greenhouse effect' -- the warmer climate before the Flood -- gone instantaneously.)

But science can't accept any interpretation that allows for metaphysical explanations.

That is science's problem...stay in the dark.

Funny that the Father of the scientific method, Sir Francis Bacon, had no problem accepting it.

You are grasping at straws. There will always be some unanswered questions in the sciences. Finding one does not help your case. And since the flood fails on so many other levels it does not matter if you can barely squeeze an idea or two into it.

You do not seem to realize that events in the sciences can often be dated. The date of that event puts it outside the date of the flood so I I not see how even that can help you. Did you not read the article? That occurred about 12,900 years ago. The sciences are not like the Bible. You do not get to pick and choose which parts to follow.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

How could you miss the evidence? The flood myth predicts a worldwide population bottleneck in all species. It is not there. That alone refutes the flood. How and why did God cover up that evidence?

And I respect the scientific method because it produces real results. We could not be communicating right now without it.

What exactly would a bottle neck in any species show genetically?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

How does that saying go again...? "A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still".

You can't change a mind set in concrete. If people want to hate God, I think we should let them.

You're right, Deeje.

Although I wouldn't classify all of them as hating God...but they certainly don't respect the Bible.

I'm going to leave this thread alone, and post on your old thread, about the Flood. I'll "resurrect" it, lol.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

You are grasping at straws. There will always be some unanswered questions in the sciences. Finding one does not help your case. And since the flood fails on so many other levels it does not matter if you can barely squeeze an idea or two into it.

You do not seem to realize that events in the sciences can often be dated. The date of that event puts it outside the date of the flood so I I not see how even that can help you. Did you not read the article? That occurred about 12,900 years ago. The sciences are not like the Bible. You do not get to pick and choose which parts to follow.

This is a little off topic, how long do you think Mt Everest has been a mountain?

 

[Misunderstood]

OK, that's a lot better.

But I did respond saying that I feel it helps prove an extinction event for evolution. The Bible has the flood as an extinction event. Not that the Bible needs and extinction event, because if God Created man and all the animals after their kind, the species would already be separated. But we believe it because we believe God.

But evolution is almost required to have an extinction event. If there were no extinction event where are the weaker transitional species? A worldwide population bottleneck, or something similar would be needed. So if you say that there is no population bottleneck we need evidence of how the transitional species disappeared, whereas I feel the flood story could stand on its own if needed without such an event.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't claim it was the size of the ark. I'm not sure it had any steel in it.
I think the ark story is a myth but you missed the point of my post. It, along with Viking ships, Columbus ships, pirate ships, pilgrim ships, etc are definitely bigger than a "row boat".

So you posted something out of complete ignorance and thought that you made a point? And no one has claimed that small ships and large boats are not seaworthy. The Ark from Noah's are was definitely not sea worthy. Let me help you:

Wyoming (schooner) - Wikipedia

"Because of its extreme length and wood construction, Wyoming tended to flex in heavy seas, which would cause the long planks to twist and buckle, thereby allowing sea water to intrude into the hold (see hogging and sagging). Wyoming had to use pumps to keep its hold relatively free of water. In March 1924, it foundered in heavy seas and sank with the loss of all hands."

That boat don


"The Wyoming had 90 steel crossbraces. Even while she was yet on the drawing boards the marine engineers who designed and built her knew from experience with shorter ships that the length of the Wyoming would exceed the structural limits of wood. For this reason they attempted to defeat, or at least support, the laws of physics and the principles of marine engineering with steel. It was to no avail. Not even the steel bracing could prevent the flexing and twisting that resulted in the separation of the hull planking. The Wyoming required constant pumping, as did her sister ships. The Wyoming leaked from the day she hit the water until the day, 14 years later, when she foundered and broke up off of Monomoy Island while riding out a storm at anchor. "


You can read more at those sites. It had a steam engine, but not for propulsion. One of its task was to pump out the bilge since it tended to leak.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

This is a little off topic, how long to you think Mt Everest has been a mountain?

Honestly...does it appear 'young' to you? Geologically speaking, that is?

The whole range does. So do the Alps, and many other ranges.

The features they have, are sharp and clearly defined. If they were "millions of years" old, the extreme elements they endure would have ensured they'd be rounded stumps by now!

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is a little off topic, how long do you think Mt Everest has been a mountain?

Hard to say, the range is millions of year old. The collision that formed the Himalayas began about 50 million years ago:

India VR

 

[Subduction Zone]

Honestly...does it appear 'young' to you? Geologically speaking, that is?

The whole range does. So do the Alps, and many other ranges.

The features they have, are sharp and clearly defined. If they were "millions of years" old, the extreme elements they endure would have ensured they'd be rounded stumps by now!

What makes you think that? You do not seem to realize that the range is still growing due to an ongoing collision. The Adirondacks are hundreds of millions of years old and they are not "stumps" yet.

And you need to be careful when using sources. Some mountains, such as volcanic mountains made mainly of ash, do erode rather quickly. Mountains with well indurated sedimentary strata can withstand the ages.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

So you posted something out of complete ignorance and thought that you made a point? And no one has claimed that small ships and large boats are not seaworthy. The Ark from Noah's are was definitely not sea worthy. Let me help you:

Wyoming (schooner) - Wikipedia

"Because of its extreme length and wood construction, Wyoming tended to flex in heavy seas, which would cause the long planks to twist and buckle, thereby allowing sea water to intrude into the hold (see hogging and sagging). Wyoming had to use pumps to keep its hold relatively free of water. In March 1924, it foundered in heavy seas and sank with the loss of all hands."

That boat don


"The Wyoming had 90 steel crossbraces. Even while she was yet on the drawing boards the marine engineers who designed and built her knew from experience with shorter ships that the length of the Wyoming would exceed the structural limits of wood. For this reason they attempted to defeat, or at least support, the laws of physics and the principles of marine engineering with steel. It was to no avail. Not even the steel bracing could prevent the flexing and twisting that resulted in the separation of the hull planking. The Wyoming required constant pumping, as did her sister ships. The Wyoming leaked from the day she hit the water until the day, 14 years later, when she foundered and broke up off of Monomoy Island while riding out a storm at anchor. "


You can read more at those sites. It had a steam engine, but not for propulsion. One of its task was to pump out the bilge since it tended to leak.

Really? "that boat don". That has no references, no support, no links, no anything to support you. Its equivalent to a creation link.

 

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This is one of my favorite images. It alone refutes the flood myth since it shows a feature that took millions of years to form and flood believers have no explanation for it:

 

[Subduction Zone]

Really? "that boat don". That has no refetences, no support, no anything to support you. Its equivalent to a creation link.

I gave two sources there. The Wikipedia article does have references. I will have to double check the other one.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

Hard to say, the range is millions of year old. The collision that formed the Himalayas began about 50 million years ago:

India VR

How do you date it? Its made of rock and material that's been here since earth has.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

This is one of my favorite images. It alone refutes the flood myth since it shows a feature that took millions of years to form and flood believers have no explanation for it:

How is that dated to take millions of years?

 

[AManCalledHorse]

I gave two sources there. The Wikipedia article does have references. I will have to double check the other one.

Wiki mentions no steel. If it had steel supporting it, doesn't that take away from the claim of the largest "wooden" ship?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Another source that mentions the steel cross bracing in the Wyoming:
No. 2492: The Schooner Wyoming


And the Wiki article says 90 iron cross braces. Were they iron or steel? There is a slight difference.

This Wiki article also mentions the structural members:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_wooden_ships

Is that enough? Also the Wyoming would avoid storms since it did leak so badly. Flood believers want to put the Ark into the worst storm ever and expect it to survive. A powerless boat would be at the mercy of the seas and one of that length with no pumps would open at the seams and quickly sink to the bottom.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Another source that mentions the steel cross bracing in the Wyoming:
No. 2492: The Schooner Wyoming


And the Wiki article says 90 iron cross braces. Were they iron or steel? There is a slight difference.

This Wiki article also mentions the structural members:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_wooden_ships

Is that enough? Also the Wyoming would avoid storms since it did leak so badly. Flood believers want to put the Ark into the worst storm ever and expect it to survive. A powerless boat would be at the mercy of the seas and one of that length with no pumps would open at the seams and quickly sink to the bottom.

 

[AManCalledHorse]

Honestly...does it appear 'young' to you? Geologically speaking, that is?

The whole range does. So do the Alps, and many other ranges.

The features they have, are sharp and clearly defined. If they were "millions of years" old, the extreme elements they endure would have ensured they'd be rounded stumps by now!

If millions of years can cut the grand canyon, millions of years would certainly wear on a mountain.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How is that dated to take millions of years?

You would need to learn some basic geology. What you see there is an incised meander. First you need to know how regular meanders form. They form in relatively slow moving waters on very level ground. They do not form during floods, the run off is too quick. In fact when the southern Mississippi floods what happens is that the river overflows it banks and will at times cut across a meander reshaping the path that the river takes.

Do you need some links on this concept?

 

[AManCalledHorse]

Another source that mentions the steel cross bracing in the Wyoming:
No. 2492: The Schooner Wyoming


And the Wiki article says 90 iron cross braces. Were they iron or steel? There is a slight difference.

This Wiki article also mentions the structural members:

List of longest wooden ships - Wikipedia

Is that enough? Also the Wyoming would avoid storms since it did leak so badly. Flood believers want to put the Ark into the worst storm ever and expect it to survive. A powerless boat would be at the mercy of the seas and one of that length with no pumps would open at the seams and quickly sink to the bottom.

Steel, iron, metal in general. When you get some that agree and are fact, post it.
Powerless boats adrift at see are unheard of. But wait, that happens all the time with even wooden sail ships.

 

[Misunderstood]

What exactly would a bottle neck in any species show genetically?

It brings the genetics of the species closer in line with each other. If it was brought down to a small number like two (not to imply the flood, just using it to exaggerate the explanation) all members of the species after the event would carry the genetics of those original two of the species. So the genetic diversity of the species would not be as great.

Hope that helps.