I Need Help!

[Storm]

I'm not sure it makes sense. Doesn't morality mean how you get along with others in relationship (even if the relationship is simply 'members of the same society' or even 'all human beings')? Thus, if it's how you choose to treat others regardless of what they may think about it...is it really morality?

Maybe it would be better described as your personal principles of conduct.

That was helpful, thank you!

 

[Storm]

Running with Luna's interpretation, this is what I've got so far:

1. Remember that there is no universal morality. What's important is the search for it. Others may reach different conclusions, and that's alright.
2. Treat others with compassion. Before passing judgment, seek understanding.
3. Do not be afraid to pass judgment when necessary.
4. Do not be afraid of scrutiny and criticism.
5. Do nothing that shames you.

Are there other topics I should cover?

 

[Nikodemus]

I find this very intriguing.

I'm afraid I have no new questions for you or topics to cover, but I would like to point out a flaw in your logic so you can see this with as clear a perspective as possible.

Twice you say you can find no justification for rape. You also say we should treat people as they deserve.

I know many people who think the best thing to do with a rapist is lock him in a room with a bunch of other, bigger, stronger, homosexual rapists.

I imagine you agree with that particular scenario. If you do then you can see a justification for rape.

Again, I only bring this up to show you that you might be contradicting yourself a bit and that might hinder you in your project.

 

[rojse]

Twice you say you can find no justification for rape. You also say we should treat people as they deserve.

I know many people who think the best thing to do with a rapist is lock him in a room with a bunch of other, bigger, stronger, homosexual rapists.

I imagine you agree with that particular scenario. If you do then you can see a justification for rape.

Oh, dear...

 

[Storm]

I find this very intriguing.

I'm afraid I have no new questions for you or topics to cover, but I would like to point out a flaw in your logic so you can see this with as clear a perspective as possible.

Twice you say you can find no justification for rape. You also say we should treat people as they deserve.

I know many people who think the best thing to do with a rapist is lock him in a room with a bunch of other, bigger, stronger, homosexual rapists.

I imagine you agree with that particular scenario. If you do then you can see a justification for rape.

I don't, actually. I'll admit it appeals to my vindictive streak, but I can't justify it.

Castration, otoh....

 

[Nikodemus]

So you can justify mutilation for a crime, but not a physical act that causes primarily emotional and psychological pain. Might be something to think about in your rules for your religion.

 

[Father Heathen]

So you can justify mutilation for a crime, but not a physical act that causes primarily emotional and psychological pain. Might be something to think about in your rules for your religion.

Is saying someone should replace a window that they've broken the same as breaking the window itself?

 

[Father Heathen]

Humans are a social animal which necessitates codes of ethics and morality for interacting with one another. What we do has a cause and effect, action and reaction that has an impact on others, ourselves, and the whole, thus it would be in our rational self-interest to conduct ourselves in a way based on reason, honesty, honor, dignity and self worth.

I believe in a morality based on liberty, responsibility and accountability; that people should have the right to do as they wish so long as it isn't an injustice to another. As for injustice, I'll just direct everyone to what I said here, and here as for forgiveness. Edit: Oh, and here for tolerance.

 

[Nikodemus]

Is saying someone should replace a window that they've broken the same as breaking the window itself?

Of course not.

Quite frankly, I think rapists should be locked in that room for a long time and then castrated and then made to do the most degrading jobs on earth for the rest of their miserable lives.

I am simply pointing out that Storm seems to see mutilation as an acceptable punishment, but not rape, and that might be something she wants to consider in her religion. That she may have more objection to emotional punishments than physical ones.

 

[Father Heathen]

Of course not.

Quite frankly, I think rapists should be locked in that room for a long time and then castrated and then made to do the most degrading jobs on earth for the rest of their miserable lives.

I am simply pointing out that Storm seems to see mutilation as an acceptable punishment, but not rape, and that might be something she wants to consider in her religion. That she may have more objection to emotional punishments than physical ones.

Well, castration is a medical procedure which can be seen as a treatment and preventative measure, so personally I don't think it's comparable.

 

[Magic Man]

Twice you say you can find no justification for rape. You also say we should treat people as they deserve.

I know many people who think the best thing to do with a rapist is lock him in a room with a bunch of other, bigger, stronger, homosexual rapists.

I imagine you agree with that particular scenario. If you do then you can see a justification for rape.

Again, I only bring this up to show you that you might be contradicting yourself a bit and that might hinder you in your project.

Where did you get that idea? And, furthermore, what makes you think Storm agrees with it? That's not a justification for rape. Rape is still not justified in that case because there are plenty of other ways to punish that person. I guarantee Storm would prefer a different kind of punishment, therefore not contradicting herself at all.

Out of curiosity, why do assume that Storm agrees with that punishment? What did she say that made you think that?

 

[Magic Man]

Running with Luna's interpretation, this is what I've got so far:

1. Remember that there is no universal morality. What's important is the search for it. Others may reach different conclusions, and that's alright.
2. Treat others with compassion. Before passing judgment, seek understanding.
3. Do not be afraid to pass judgment when necessary.
4. Do not be afraid of scrutiny and criticism.
5. Do nothing that shames you.

Are there other topics I should cover?

Only if you want to. It looks fine to me. The only thing I'd ask is "When is it necessary to pass judgement?"

 

[YmirGF]

Running with Luna's interpretation, this is what I've got so far:

1. Remember that there is no universal morality. What's important is the search for it. Others may reach different conclusions, and that's alright.
2. Treat others with compassion. Before passing judgment, seek understanding.
3. Do not be afraid to pass judgment when necessary.
4. Do not be afraid of scrutiny and criticism.
5. Do nothing that shames you.

Are there other topics I should cover?

I think this is relatively ok, Storm, though I would reword things slightly.

1. Morality is in the eye of the beholder, it is therefore unreasonable to assume we will all see it the same way.
2. One should not attempt to force one's sense of morality onto others.
3. Treat yourself with compassion and you will treat others in kind.
4. We possess judgment for good reason. Act compassionately and your regrets will be few.
5. It is better to err on the side of caution than it is to act recklessly in anger.
6. Encourage scrutiny and criticism for they can only make you stronger if you are realisitic.
7. Act with intelligence in all your endeavors while being mindful that only the fool assumes their actions are without error.
8. Endeavor to understand that aggression is not necessarily violence and confrontation need not always be a negative.
9. Never stop being a student of life because when you stop being that you have sealed your fate.
10. Never ignore your feelings, for when you do, you have merely succeeded in flushing your intellect down the drain.

 

[lilithu]

The only thing I'd ask is "When is it necessary to pass judgement?"

When someone or something is hurting someone. When there is injustice.

 

[lilithu]

I am simply pointing out that Storm seems to see mutilation as an acceptable punishment, but not rape, and that might be something she wants to consider in her religion. That she may have more objection to emotional punishments than physical ones.

The fact that she may have more objection to punishments based on vengeance is imo a sign of her spiritual maturity.

 

[Nikodemus]

Where did you get that idea? And, furthermore, what makes you think Storm agrees with it? That's not a justification for rape. Rape is still not justified in that case because there are plenty of other ways to punish that person. I guarantee Storm would prefer a different kind of punishment, therefore not contradicting herself at all.

Out of curiosity, why do assume that Storm agrees with that punishment? What did she say that made you think that?

Okay, seems like I pushed some buttons here. She mentioned something about treating people as they deserve. That led me to an assumption. The assumption proved incorrect and I didn't argue the point. But that's why I assumed that, because to me, a rapist is the lowest form of life on earth and deserves to get back exactly what has been given. She disagrees. No problem.

The fact that she may have more objection to punishments based on vengeance is imo a sign of her spiritual maturity.

As you like. Personally I view punishment as vengeance. Plain and simple. Punishment is simply something you do to someone to hurt them for hurting you or society or whomever. It has no noble qualities. So I can't exactly agree with you there.

But anyway, I hope Storm realizes that I'm not trying to argue with her, just offering input on a project I find interesting.

 

[Storm]

But anyway, I hope Storm realizes that I'm not trying to argue with her, just offering input on a project I find interesting.

Of course. No worries.

 

[Nikodemus]

Of course. No worries.

Thanks.

 

[Magic Man]

When someone or something is hurting someone. When there is injustice.

I understand, but I wasn't really asking for an answer. I was asking so that Storm could clarify it (if she felt it necessary) for her project.

 

[Magic Man]

As you like. Personally I view punishment as vengeance. Plain and simple. Punishment is simply something you do to someone to hurt them for hurting you or society or whomever. It has no noble qualities. So I can't exactly agree with you there.

But anyway, I hope Storm realizes that I'm not trying to argue with her, just offering input on a project I find interesting.

Well, taking a driving class because of a moving violation of some sort is considered punishment. It's not vengeance, just a way to try to get that person to stop doing that action. It's still punishment, so I think there is a case to be made that punishment does not equal vengeance.

I understand what you're saying. I guess the way you said it just caught me wrong. No worries.