I need to be a nonbeliever to set myself free. Could someone help me?

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Who told you that?



Who told you you were going to heaven? That wasn't even in God's original purpose. Biblical Christianity is not what is taught in Christendom.

It is the typical Christians who say that if I don't live and serve God, I won't make it to heaven. Like I said, you have your own views, but that still does not tell me for sure if your version of God is real, if the version of God that others have is real, or if there is no God at all.

 

[Deeje]

It is the typical Christians who say that if I don't live and serve God, I won't make it to heaven.

Have you done any research on the "typical" Christian church and where it got most of its beliefs?
Was Jesus a "typical" Jew? Were his apostles? Nothing Jesus did was ever "typical" of the Jewish system...in fact he castigated the religious leaders at every opportunity. He was viewed as an apostate....a heretic.

God separated his true worshippers from unbelievers because he did not want their worship contaminated with beliefs and practices that God condemned. For example he warned Israel....
“When you have entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the detestable practices of those nations. 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, 11 anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. 13 You should prove yourself blameless before Jehovah your God." (Deuteronomy 18:9-12)

Yet, Israel repeatedly adopted false religious practices from the pagan nations around them. God punished them, time and again for their disobedience respecting his protective laws, but when they repented, he forgave them. Some of their practices were heinous, like sacrificing their children in a fire to Molech. (Jeremiah 7:31) How could they have strayed so far off the path?....yet Jesus warned that "weeds" of false Christianity would also be sown in much the same way. "Christians" would emulate their Jewish predecessors in much the same conduct....adopting false worship. Most of Christendom's doctrines are not Christian at all, but you wouldn't know that if you didn't do your homework. You assume that you have been told the truth....but from what you have said I can see that you haven't....not even close.

Paul warned...
"Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son. 29 I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30 and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." (Acts 20:28-30)

So did Peter....
"For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.
2 However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. 3 Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping.
4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment. 5 And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people. 6 And by reducing the cities of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah to ashes, he condemned them, setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come" (2 Peter 2:1-6)

The patterns of history are all there. God does not alter his standards. Justice demands his actions concerning those who misrepresent and slander him.

Like I said, you have your own views, but that still does not tell me for sure if your version of God is real, if the version of God that others have is real, or if there is no God at all.

I can tell you now, that with an attitude like you have displayed here on RF, the god you seek does not exist except in your imagination. But the God you are running from, doesn't either....that is the saddest part of all.

There is no "heaven or hell" scenario and never was. All God has ever offered mankind is life under his terms, or a forfeit of life for those who refused them. It is not more complicated than that. There is no trinity, no immortal soul, no hellfire....all these are introduced doctrines that came from outside of the Bible.

I urge you to do more research. There is much at stake.

 

[SomeRandom]

And this shapes your view of the world better than Christianity?....or just better than Catholicism?

Never understood how any of that stuff was Christian.

Well my family on my mother's side is "half Catholic" (long story) but I was raised as a Hindu, with a tinge of Catholicism thrown in for good measure. So I'd say it has a much bigger influence on my worldview than anything Christian related.
I have a mix of both West and Eastern philosophy to sort of go by. So my influences are rather varied.

Ah yes, materialism....everyone's other 'religion'.

Indeed. A very popular religion.

Mmmm last night's dinner....View attachment 15216 Yum!

Dessert was delicious too...

Oh, Bush Tucker. Delicious!

You didn't recognize my Uncle Frank in the middle.....

This is him after his rhinoplasty.....great job eh!

View attachment 15217
Trouble is, now he thinks he looks like Brad Pitt.

Oh wow, the things they can do these days!!

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Have you done any research on the "typical" Christian church and where it got most of its beliefs?
Was Jesus a "typical" Jew? Were his apostles? Nothing Jesus did was ever "typical" of the Jewish system...in fact he castigated the religious leaders at every opportunity. He was viewed as an apostate....a heretic.

God separated his true worshippers from unbelievers because he did not want their worship contaminated with beliefs and practices that God condemned. For example he warned Israel....
“When you have entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to imitate the detestable practices of those nations. 10 There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, 11 anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. 13 You should prove yourself blameless before Jehovah your God." (Deuteronomy 18:9-12)

Yet, Israel repeatedly adopted false religious practices from the pagan nations around them. God punished them, time and again for their disobedience respecting his protective laws, but when they repented, he forgave them. Some of their practices were heinous, like sacrificing their children in a fire to Molech. (Jeremiah 7:31) How could they have strayed so far off the path?....yet Jesus warned that "weeds" of false Christianity would also be sown in much the same way. "Christians" would emulate their Jewish predecessors in much the same conduct....adopting false worship. Most of Christendom's doctrines are not Christian at all, but you wouldn't know that if you didn't do your homework. You assume that you have been told the truth....but from what you have said I can see that you haven't....not even close.

Paul warned...
"Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son. 29 I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30 and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." (Acts 20:28-30)

So did Peter....
"For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit.
2 However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. 3 Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping.
4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment. 5 And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people. 6 And by reducing the cities of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah to ashes, he condemned them, setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come" (2 Peter 2:1-6)

The patterns of history are all there. God does not alter his standards. Justice demands his actions concerning those who misrepresent and slander him.



I can tell you now, that with an attitude like you have displayed here on RF, the god you seek does not exist except in your imagination. But the God you are running from, doesn't either....that is the saddest part of all.

There is no "heaven or hell" scenario and never was. All God has ever offered mankind is life under his terms, or a forfeit of life for those who refused them. It is not more complicated than that. There is no trinity, no immortal soul, no hellfire....all these are introduced doctrines that came from outside of the Bible.

I urge you to do more research. There is much at stake.

Thanks for the insight. Now I am going to describe more about me as a person. Since the only thing of value to me in life is being happy, living a great life, and getting what I want, then that is my only basis for value judgment. In other words, that is the only way I judge the value of a person's life as well as their value as a human being.

So if I was happy and got everything I wanted, that would make me a better person and my life better than those other people who are poor, starving, and living horrible lives. I do not judge the value of an individual by who they are as a person because, like I said, personality is of no value to me and it is only those things I've mentioned above that are of value to me.

So if I was the starving miserable individual and those starving individuals were instead the ones living great happy lives, then that would make them the better people with better lives. I would be **** compared to them and their lives.

 

[Deeje]

Thanks for the insight. Now I am going to describe more about me as a person. Since the only thing of value to me in life is being happy, living a great life, and getting what I want, then that is my only basis for value judgment. In other words, that is the only way I judge the value of a person's life as well as their value as a human being.

You know, if you hadn't told me your age, I would swear i was conversing with an 8year old. How is it that you could grow up without actually growing up?

So if I was happy and got everything I wanted, that would make me a better person and my life better than those other people who are poor, starving, and living horrible lives.

All that would make you is a spoiled brat.....but I am getting the impression that you already are.....the only person you seem concerned about is yourself. How sad.

I do not judge the value of an individual by who they are as a person because, like I said, personality is of no value to me and it is only those things I've mentioned above that are of value to me.

The only real measure of a person's character is who will miss them when they are gone....and for what reason they will be missed. Selfishness people are never missed.

So if I was the starving miserable individual and those starving individuals were instead the ones living great happy lives, then that would make them the better people with better lives. I would be **** compared to them and their lives.

Jesus once spoke about people who had it all materially and thought they needed nothing, but he said they never realised that in God's eyes they were completely poor and blind and naked.

Being materially poor doesn't necessarily mean that you can't be happy. Many in my own brotherhood are not materially well off by western standards, but they have enough and are satisfied.
Many of the wealthiest people have lives that are plagued with the same problems as the poor.....health issues, family problems, failed economies and many other human problems. Money can't buy health or happiness.

Have you heard of the saying that "the best things in life are free"? Well I can safely say that "the best things in life, aren't things".
Pleasing only yourself is an empty and lonely existence. I believe that you are chasing a fantasy and that it will never become your reality.....what will you do then?

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

You know, if you hadn't told me your age, I would swear i was conversing with an 8year old. How is it that you could grow up without actually growing up?



All that would make you is a spoiled brat.....but I am getting the impression that you already are.....the only person you seem concerned about is yourself. How sad.



The only real measure of a person's character is who will miss them when they are gone....and for what reason they will be missed. Selfishness people are never missed.



Jesus once spoke about people who had it all materially and thought they needed nothing, but he said they never realised that in God's eyes they were completely poor and blind and naked.

Being materially poor doesn't necessarily mean that you can't be happy. Many in my own brotherhood are not materially well off by western standards, but they have enough and are satisfied.
Many of the wealthiest people have lives that are plagued with the same problems as the poor.....health issues, family problems, failed economies and many other human problems. Money can't buy health or happiness.

Have you heard of the saying that "the best things in life are free"? Well I can safely say that "the best things in life, aren't things".
PLeasing only yourself is an empty and lonely existence. I believe that you are chasing a fantasy and that it will never become your reality.....what will you do then?

I don't know if I would call that childish. Rather, I would instead say that it is the default natural wiring of a person's brain. For example, most people in extreme pain would yell out and cry out. That is the natural default for most human beings. But it is uncommon to see tough individuals who are just fine with extreme pain. That is not the norm. This would also apply to altruistic vs selfish people. Altruism is rather uncommon.

However, even though you might consider me to be someone with no empathy and love towards others, that is false. For example, if I were to personally harm someone or some innocent living thing (just pretend), then I would feel sad for that said person or creature. But if someone else harmed that person or living thing, then I wouldn't care.

So when I see abandoned and abused pets on commercials, I don't care. But if it were me personally who inflicted that pain and suffering on those pets, then I would feel very bad. So what does that say about me as an individual? I don't think it says that I am cruel. I am someone kind despite my focus on living for myself and for my own pleasure.

So you can see why I don't care about helping others and living for others. I only feel bad and feel the need to help others when I have personally inflicted harm or torment upon others. Lastly, living to please myself has been a wonderful life for me. Living to help others would be a miserable empty life since it is a life I don't value and have no interest in.

 

[Deeje]

I don't know if I would call that childish. Rather, I would instead say that it is the default natural wiring of a person's brain. For example, most people in extreme pain would yell out and cry out. That is the natural default for most human beings. But it is uncommon to see tough individuals who are just fine with extreme pain. That is not the norm. This would also apply to altruistic vs selfish people. Altruism is rather uncommon.

You raise a good point here. If God created our 'default' position to expect life to be way better than it actually is, why is that a collective expectation, no matter what circumstances we live in, rich or poor? Materialists are never satisfied and the impoverished long for what the rich throw away.
Why create that default position and an expectation that cannot be realised? The Bible answers that question.

Paradise surroundings are also widely appealing to us collectively. We only have to look at all the paradisaic locations to see that tourism booms there. ThIs too is a default in us. The Bible explains this too.

However, even though you might consider me to be someone with no empathy and love towards others, that is false. For example, if I were to personally harm someone or some innocent living thing (just pretend), then I would feel sad for that said person or creature. But if someone else harmed that person or living thing, then I wouldn't care.

That is just a lack of human empathy. Caring about the harm done is way more important than who did it. Even a godless humanitarian cares more about people than you seem to.

So when I see abandoned and abused pets on commercials, I don't care. But if it were me personally who inflicted that pain and suffering on those pets, then I would feel very bad. So what does that say about me as an individual? I don't think it says that I am cruel. I am someone kind despite my focus on living for myself and for my own pleasure.

I am beginning to think that you may be suffering with Asperger's Syndrome. What you describe is not normal human behaviour....sorry.

So you can see why I don't care about helping others and living for others. I only feel bad and feel the need to help others when I have personally inflicted harm or torment upon others.

That is hard to comprehend unless you have an underlying mental health condition that doesn't allow you to feel compassion or empathy for others. Part of being human is to care about fellow creatures, human and animal.....the degree is what makes the difference. You seem to have no concern for the welfare of others...period. I find that rather disturbing TBH.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

You raise a good point here. If God created our 'default' position to expect life to be way better than it actually is, why is that a collective expectation, no matter what circumstances we live in, rich or poor? Materialists are never satisfied and the impoverished long for what the rich throw away.
Why create that default position and an expectation that cannot be realised? The Bible answers that question.

Paradise surroundings are also widely appealing to us collectively. We only have to look at all the paradisaic locations to see that tourism booms there. ThIs too is a default in us. The Bible explains this too.



That is just a lack of human empathy. Caring about the harm done is way more important than who did it. Even a godless humanitarian cares more about people than you seem to.



I am beginning to think that you may be suffering with Asperger's Syndrome. What you describe is not normal human behaviour....sorry.



That is hard to comprehend unless you have an underlying mental health condition that doesn't allow you to feel compassion or empathy for others. Part of being human is to care about fellow creatures, human and animal.....the degree is what makes the difference. You seem to have no concern for the welfare of others...period. I find that rather disturbing TBH.

You are right, I have been diagnosed with autism. I had delayed speech as a young child and I used to line toys up when I was younger. I am very self focused and very determined on one thing--that is, me being happy and achieving my composing dream. It is no different than how a seriously dedicated professional athlete just doesn't want to live their life helping others. They are too busy and too focused on their training.

The reason why I am posting here and not pursuing my composing dream right now is because I am in the process of recovering from a traumatic event in my life. Once I am fully recovered, my life and composing will be joyful and worth living for once again.

I don't concern myself with the outside world. I let the world take care of itself while I live my own determined and dedicated life. Everyone has their own lives and situations to deal with. Therefore, I don't feel personally obligated to help nor do I feel personally involved. But, like I said, if I harmed someone, then I would feel personally involved. I would feel the need to help that person I harmed.

Lastly, when someone loves, cares, and lives for someone such as their family or God, they are said to have the light within them. They are said to have God's light within them. But since I cannot obtain that light due to my mental condition, then my only alternate source of light would be me being happy, getting what I want, and living a great life. Therefore, it's not because I am a spoiled child, but it's because this is truly the only light I have. It is truly the only way my life can be worth living.

 

[Deeje]

You are right, I have been diagnosed with autism. I had delayed speech as a young child and I used to line toys up when I was younger. I am very self focused and very determined on one thing--that is, me being happy and achieving my composing dream. It is no different than how a seriously dedicated professional athlete just doesn't want to live their life helping others. They are too busy and too focused on their training.

The reason why I am posting here and not pursuing my composing dream right now is because I am in the process of recovering from a traumatic event in my life. Once I am fully recovered, my life and composing will be joyful and worth living for once again.

I don't concern myself with the outside world. I let the world take care of itself while I live my own determined and dedicated life. Everyone has their own lives and situations to deal with. Therefore, I don't feel personally obligated to help nor do I feel personally involved. But, like I said, if I harmed someone, then I would feel personally involved. I would feel the need to help that person I harmed.

Lastly, when someone loves, cares, and lives for someone such as their family or God, they are said to have the light within them. They are said to have God's light within them. But since I cannot obtain that light due to my mental condition, then my only alternate source of light would be me being happy, getting what I want, and living a great life. Therefore, it's not because I am a spoiled child, but it's because this is truly the only light I have. It is truly the only way my life can be worth living.

Well, that answers all my questions.....God does not hold people accountable for situations over which they have no control.

As far as your composing is concerned, perhaps you should get the opinions of others before embarking on a course that could also prove to be traumatic. Please don't set yourself up for more disappointment. Its an industry that chews people up and spits them out. Rejection can be very hurtful.

Be careful...OK?

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Well, that answers all my questions.....God does not hold people accountable for situations over which they have no control.

As far as your composing is concerned, perhaps you should get the opinions of others before embarking on a course that could also prove to be traumatic. Please don't set yourself up for more disappointment. Its an industry that chews people up and spits them out. Rejection can be very hurtful.

Be careful...OK?

Thank you. But let's pretend for a moment that this Christian God that condemns you to hell is real, I don't think it would matter. My mental illness would still be no excuse and would still send me to hell for not dedicating my life and obeying God's commandments and rules.

 

[Deeje]

Thank you. But let's pretend for a moment that this Christian God that condemns you to hell is real, I don't think it would matter. My mental illness would still be no excuse and would still send me to hell for not dedicating my life and obeying God's commandments and rules.

Since the Christian God requires us to love him with all our hearts, if your autism prevents you from doing that, God will not hold this against you. This is not something you can control. He doesn't want grudging performance, he requires willing obedience from the heart. If you are incapable of doing that, then God already knows it. Just as Jesus healed people before he preached to them, giving them the best opportunity to learn about his Father, pain and disease free, so he will offer to deserving ones the opportunity to get to know him, free from all impediments. Don't sell him short.

As I keep trying to tell you, there is no "hell". Everlasting life is promised only to the righteous.....if God was going to consciously torture people in hell forever, they would have to be alive....wouldn't they? There is no immortal part of us that survives death. We sleep peacefully until Jesus wakes us up. That is certainly nothing to fear.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Since the Christian God requires us to love him with all our hearts, if your autism prevents you from doing that, God will not hold this against you. This is not something you can control. He doesn't want grudging performance, he requires willing obedience from the heart. If you are incapable of doing that, then God already knows it. Just as Jesus healed people before he preached to them, giving them the best opportunity to learn about his Father, pain and disease free, so he will offer to deserving ones the opportunity to get to know him, free from all impediments. Don't sell him short.

As I keep trying to tell you, there is no "hell". Everlasting life is promised only to the righteous.....if God was going to consciously torture people in hell forever, they would have to be alive....wouldn't they? There is no immortal part of us that survives death. We sleep peacefully until Jesus wakes us up. That is certainly nothing to fear.

What I find strange is that I am capable of love and innocence, but not giving. For example, I feel love and innocence in the presence of little children or a girl I am attracted to, but this love and innocence has no desire to give or to dedicate my life to someone. So I am capable of love and innocence, but not giving or dedicating my life/serving anybody.

 

[Deeje]

What I find strange is that I am capable of love and innocence, but not giving. For example, I feel love and innocence in the presence of little children or a girl I am attracted to, but this love and innocence has no desire to give or to dedicate my life to someone. So I am capable of love and innocence, but not giving or dedicating my life/serving anybody.

God does not require from any of us more than we are capable of giving. If you have a health condition that makes it impossible for you to value the lives of others apart from yourself, then he knows that and will not hold it against you. I believe that God is a reader of hearts, not just people's thoughts or conduct. He knows the real you...the one without autism.

The Bible lists 4 words that are translated "love" in the Greek scriptures.
There is "phi·liʹa", (brotherly love) "stor·geʹ" (which is love among family members) "eʹros" which is romantic love and the most important one of all..."a·gaʹpe" (which is love based on principle.)

The Bible tells us we must love God and neighbor with this last kind of love. (Called the Golden Rule) It is a love that rises above personal concerns, needs and wants. It is the love that can extend to even an enemy by modifying our feelings for him in a way that does not allow us to hate any person, for any reason or to do them harm. It is the kind of love that moderates self-control and all the other qualities that God's spirit can produce in us if we just let him. (Galatians 5:22-23)

I find it hard to accept that, given your condition, you know what true love is from your definition.....it naturally follows that love extends to others to some degree, (apart from those you describe) even if you have no personal relationship with them...its called humanitarianism which essentially means the love of humankind in general. It's what would motivate someone to put their own life in danger to protect the life of someone else...even a stranger.

There are some great humanitarians in the world like Médecins Sans Frontières / Doctors Without Borders. You don't have to be a Christian to be a good humanitarian. But if you are going to be a Christian, it goes without saying that we must be a good humanitarian also, as Jesus was. (Luke 10:30-37)

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

God does not require from any of us more than we are capable of giving. If you have a health condition that makes it impossible for you to value the lives of others apart from yourself, then he knows that and will not hold it against you. I believe that God is a reader of hearts, not just people's thoughts or conduct. He knows the real you...the one without autism.

The Bible lists 4 words that are translated "love" in the Greek scriptures.
There is "phi·liʹa", (brotherly love) "stor·geʹ" (which is love among family members) "eʹros" which is romantic love and the most important one of all..."a·gaʹpe" (which is love based on principle.)

The Bible tells us we must love God and neighbor with this last kind of love. (Called the Golden Rule) It is a love that rises above personal concerns, needs and wants. It is the love that can extend to even an enemy by modifying our feelings for him in a way that does not allow us to hate any person, for any reason or to do them harm. It is the kind of love that moderates self-control and all the other qualities that God's spirit can produce in us if we just let him. (Galatians 5:22-23)

I find it hard to accept that, given your condition, you know what true love is from your definition.....it naturally follows that love extends to others to some degree, (apart from those you describe) even if you have no personal relationship with them...its called humanitarianism which essentially means the love of humankind in general. It's what would motivate someone to put their own life in danger to protect the life of someone else...even a stranger.

There are some great humanitarians in the world like Médecins Sans Frontières / Doctors Without Borders. You don't have to be a Christian to be a good humanitarian. But if you are going to be a Christian, it goes without saying that we must be a good humanitarian also, as Jesus was. (Luke 10:30-37)

I do know and am capable of experiencing love despite my condition. When I meet a girl I am attracted to, I do feel love for her. However, that love cannot go anything beyond just a feeling of attraction, beauty, and innocence. It is not the giving type of love that makes you want to give to others and dedicate your life to someone. It is instead the basic form of love we are all familiar with.

 

[Deeje]

I do know and am capable of experiencing love despite my condition. When I meet a girl I am attracted to, I do feel love for her. However, that love cannot go anything beyond just a feeling of attraction, beauty, and innocence. It is not the giving type of love that makes you want to give to others and dedicate your life to someone. It is instead the basic form of love we are all familiar with.

That is chemistry...sexual attraction....it has nothing to do with real love.

The love Jesus said we must have is same kind that he demonstrated.....the kind that would sacrifice themselves for others.

Your condition will not allow you to go past the chemistry, which is governed by another completely separate part of the body.
I guess you could call it hormonally automatic.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

That is chemistry...sexual attraction....it has nothing to do with real love.

The love Jesus said we must have is same kind that he demonstrated.....the kind that would sacrifice themselves for others.

Your condition will not allow you to go past the chemistry, which is governed by another completely separate part of the body.
I guess you could call it hormonally automatic.

I have respect towards other human beings, I have admiration towards other human beings, and I have love towards other human beings. But the only thing that is missing is the desire to give to others, help others, and live for others.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

That is chemistry...sexual attraction....it has nothing to do with real love.

The love Jesus said we must have is same kind that he demonstrated.....the kind that would sacrifice themselves for others.

Your condition will not allow you to go past the chemistry, which is governed by another completely separate part of the body.
I guess you could call it hormonally automatic.

In addition to my previous post I just made in response here, I would like to say that all our experiences are chemical in nature since our brain uses neurotransmitters (chemicals) for every experience whether it be our thoughts, feelings, sensations, etc. The question is, which experience is the greatest and most profound for you? Is it the experience of giving? Or is it the good feelings of love, joy, etc.? For me, it is the feelings.

 

[Deeje]

In addition to my previous post I just made in response here, I would like to say that all our experiences are chemical in nature since our brain uses neurotransmitters (chemicals) for every experience whether it be our thoughts, feelings, sensations, etc. The question is, which experience is the greatest and most profound for you? Is it the experience of giving? Or is it the good feelings of love, joy, etc.? For me, it is the feelings.

I guess, when you have known nothing else, it is difficult to compare what response autism produces in you, to the response felt by those without it. Your "normal" would not be their "normal" experience, (apart from the chemical reactions because that is an automatic response in all creatures. Its what keeps the human race and all other species in existence.)

On the other hand, altruism, (the giving part of us) is a condition of the heart.....not the physical pump, but the inner psyche and workings of the mind and its relationship to those around us. The mind controls many things and so does the heart, so when you combine them, you have the whole person.

Some people are described as "all heart" which means that they feel deeply for others. We also find some people who are described as "cold hearted", displaying little concern for anyone but themselves. If this latter condition is not the result of a physical or mental condition, then this person will be judged by God as unworthy of citizenship in his kingdom. He does not want cold hearted and selfish people in his kingdom. Why would he?

When either one (mind or heart) is impaired, the person themselves become impaired to some degree. Its nobody's fault. We are at present in an imperfect state, (sadly, some way more than others) we are at the mercy of so many things that are beyond our control. So many people are saddled with situations and conditions that they did not ask for, or deserve. So how will God deal with them? He will judge each one by the condition of their heart.....he sees past the impairment to the real person and evaluates them on the person they would be without the handicap. So there is no injustice with God, and there is no "hell" of punishment waiting for the "injured" or impaired in this world (or anyone else for that matter). There is a new world coming where all infirmities and illnesses will be healed and all forms of oppression and hatred will be eradicated, never to be seen again. (2 Peter 3:13)

God wants to give you hope of a better life, not threats of punishment and despair. We need patience however, because nothing happens quickly with a God who dwells in a timeless place. 'A thousand years is like a day' to him. (2 Peter 3:8)

All he asks is that you stay on the right path and do your best not to break his laws. He will reward those who want to give him their obedience, because he wants to give you a better life. He asks so little in return for what he will give back.

 

[User14]

@MattMVS7 Just become a materialist hedonist. That's what your talking about. If you try to fit religion into your ultimately hedonist worldview, you'll just complicate things both for yourself and for religious people.

 

[rusra02]

What most people believe about Jehovah and Jesus Christ is almost entirely wrong, IMO. For one thing, God does not send anyone to a burning hellfire. That is a despicable slander against God. Rather than condemn us, I believe Jehovah wants us to live forever in happiness on earth. (Psalm 37:20,11) Since God created us, we are accountable to him. The mess the world is in shows the sad results of ignoring God's laws. Each of us must decide whether to serve God or to ignore him, and live only to satisfy our own desires. I am convinced the choice is ours, and so are the consequences. (1 John 2:15-17)