Poisonshady313
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important commentary. He finished off by saying "Now go and study"
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I oppose all torture.
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Cha'im
New Member
Yes he did!
JamesMarttin
Member
torture and violence are barbaric and cause only the same
I personally live by the dictum "Do unto others as they do unto you", I have for the past 30 years and it has never failed me. I am also an advocate of "the punishment should fit the crime" and that an evil can only be defeated by a greater evil. However, at times there are those who may do me wrong whom I deem worthy of my forgiveness, but, I will never forget.
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i find this thread tortue, will you remove it for me? in all seriousness if torturing me would save hundred of lifes i would approve of it.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
But there is no realistic scenario where it would do that.
Not me persay but their have been and will be times when torture saves lives.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Not really though.
you can not deny that their has been will be or atleast could be a time when torturing one person could save lives. I think torture is way over used and should require more definitive proof of its necesity then it curently has.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I think the desire to torture stems from gratification and that it procures reliable data is but a pretext.
cablescavenger
Well-Known Member
A paradox if ever I heard one. :foot:
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
I disagree. I think instances in which torture is an end unto itself, rather than a means to an end, are quite rare.
mpst of the time yes but what about that 1 time it isnt.
what do you mean?
Poisonshady313
Well-Known Member
I don't believe that the existence of torture is for the purpose of the torturer getting pleasure out of torturing.
I believe torture is used as a means to get something someone wants.
Similar to robbing someone at gun point. "Give me your cash, or I'll shoot you"
The goal here is for the robber to obtain the cash. The gun is an incentive for the victim to cooperate.
It could even be said that robbery at gunpoint IS torture, because of the anxiety and fear caused by the threat of experiencing terrible physical pain or death.
For the most part, I don't believe those who commit torture do so for the sake of committing torture.
Yes but that doesnt mean most tortures turn out justified. i think its fine when it can save a large number of lives, but only when its justifyiable to think that it will, over whelming evidence or screaming ill never tell. Most of the time i think it fails. I think it should be saved for only dire circastances. Father Heaven disagrees with us both. He thinks its just a pretext. I agree there are too many sick *ucks who use it as a pretext. Some times i think iot doesnt matter as long as it a justifiable and produces results. I think most of the time is fear and desperation. I think this is also wrong. It should never been a desperate attempt but always a justified course of action. I think its over done, and in general wrong, but sometimes the ends do justify the means.
Now as per your gun example you gun and robber. Change the robber to a rapist. He use the gun ( a form of torture as you say) to get something he wants, in this came he wants to rape and cause pain. The rapist is looking to torture that is the end he seeks. I dont think i see your logic.
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cablescavenger
Well-Known Member
"Whip me" said the masochist to the sadist.
"No" said the sadist.
"No" said the sadist.
Good point how does one define torture?
dust1n
Zindīq
We all know how often this happens.
I'd say so, especially those in solitary confinement.
dust1n
Zindīq
Hold on, hold on. Okay, what if there are three black kids who said they planted a bomb in the White House. You are somehow about to confirm that there is, in fact, a bomb, without finding it, and now you need to find it in order to defuse it. So, if you don't have the three black kids by their ankles, blaring loud country music, and electrocute them in order to get the positioning of the bomb, what if they never tell you the location and the president dies in a fiery death? See.. torture was necessary here.