I swear to god that i'm a non believer

[ChristineM]

This is not quite the first line of the song 'Bitter End' by Rag'n'Bone Man

That one line using my 1st person interpretation rather than the songs 2nd person reminds me so much of how theists assume an atheist thinks of god.

I have been told in the last few days 'your god is your belief that there is no god' eh! 'an atheists god is ... ', 'you must believe in god to be moral', that old favourite 'you hate god' etc, etc, etc.

Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. As an atheist my position on god is the same as my position on harry potter, mickey mouse or bilbo baggins, i.e. they are fictional characters. And i am pretty sure most (if not all) atheists would agree.

I have struggled to understand this theist view of atheism and I can only conclude that they [certain theists] cannot conceive of the atheist viewpoint because they think in terms of god.

Am i correct in this conclusion or has anyone got another explain?

 

[LuisDantas]

I suppose that some people may have a very hard time thinking in non-theistic terms, or even be neurologically unable to even try.

There are certainly some recurrent yet exquisitely bizarre claims made by some theists about non-theists that seem to support such a guess.

 

[Earthling]

This is not quite the first line of the song 'Bitter End' by Rag'n'Bone Man

That one line using my 1st person interpretation rather than the songs 2nd person reminds me so much of how theists assume an atheist thinks of god.

I have been told in the last few days 'your god is your belief that there is no god' eh! 'an atheists god is ... ', 'you must believe in god to be moral', that old favourite 'you hate god' etc, etc, etc.

Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. As an atheist my position on god is the same as my position on harry potter, mickey mouse or bilbo baggins, i.e. they are fictional characters. And i am pretty sure most (if not all) atheists would agree.

I have struggled to understand this theist view of atheism and I can only conclude that they [certain theists] cannot conceive of the atheist viewpoint because they think in terms of god.

Am i correct in this conclusion or has anyone got another explain?

The conclusion is exactly right. I know this because I was an atheist for 27 years. What I can't understand about atheists is that they can't accept that. Just a couple days ago some atheists on this forum refused to accept that I could have been an atheist, and I gave them the same definition you gave and they wouldn't accept it.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

From an atheist perspective the idea that there is no thing that can exist that is responsible for all that does is rather short sighted.
That skepticism, strong or weak as it may be, resonates in its own belief from that positional opinion that first concedes as something to be opposed, that perspective theism conjures and defines as deity.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This is not quite the first line of the song 'Bitter End' by Rag'n'Bone Man

That one line using my 1st person interpretation rather than the songs 2nd person reminds me so much of how theists assume an atheist thinks of god.

I have been told in the last few days 'your god is your belief that there is no god' eh! 'an atheists god is ... ', 'you must believe in god to be moral', that old favourite 'you hate god' etc, etc, etc.

Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. As an atheist my position on god is the same as my position on harry potter, mickey mouse or bilbo baggins, i.e. they are fictional characters. And i am pretty sure most (if not all) atheists would agree.

I have struggled to understand this theist view of atheism and I can only conclude that they [certain theists] cannot conceive of the atheist viewpoint because they think in terms of god.

Am i correct in this conclusion or has anyone got another explain?

Thinking in god-view is the same as my thinking in no-god view. We each have our different perspectives of the world.

Think about seeing life in a whole new lens. For example, pretend that two and two is five. We can entertain the idea it could be but with theists there is no coulds. So, its not really why cant they see the correct atheist point of view, its trying to figure how they can see they have no clothes will at the same time not belittling them just because they are naked.

To each his own view.

 

[Curious George]

From an atheist perspective the idea that there is no thing that can exist that is responsible for all that does is rather short sighted.
That skepticism, strong or weak as it may be, resonates in its own belief from that positional opinion that first concedes as something to be opposed, that perspective theism conjures and defines as deity.

No, it doesn't really.

 

[Curious George]

The conclusion is exactly right. I know this because I was an atheist for 27 years. What I can't understand about atheists is that they can't accept that. Just a couple days ago some atheists on this forum refused to accept that I could have been an atheist, and I gave them the same definition you gave and they wouldn't accept it.

Atheists are a tricky lot. It seems we love to discuss what atheism is.

 

[TheresOnlyNow]

No, it doesn't really.

That's not actually true.

 

[SalixIncendium]

This is not quite the first line of the song 'Bitter End' by Rag'n'Bone Man

That one line using my 1st person interpretation rather than the songs 2nd person reminds me so much of how theists assume an atheist thinks of god.

I have been told in the last few days 'your god is your belief that there is no god' eh! 'an atheists god is ... ', 'you must believe in god to be moral', that old favourite 'you hate god' etc, etc, etc.

Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. As an atheist my position on god is the same as my position on harry potter, mickey mouse or bilbo baggins, i.e. they are fictional characters. And i am pretty sure most (if not all) atheists would agree.

I have struggled to understand this theist view of atheism and I can only conclude that they [certain theists] cannot conceive of the atheist viewpoint because they think in terms of god.

Am i correct in this conclusion or has anyone got another explain?

I disagree (to a point). I think "[certain theists]" are of the opinion that everyone should believe in God and/or are of the mindset that God judges theists and atheists alike. These theists tend to be in the proselytizing camp.

Conversely, there are some theists whose view of divinity is without attributes and find the atheist (or any other) position irrelevant.

 

[Earthling]

Atheists are a tricky lot. It seems we love to discuss what atheism is.

If there is any confusion on the part of theists when contemplating what it might mean to be atheists it would be the atheist tendency to deny any similarities that such an ideology might induce. Those similarities may not be indicative of atheism but they are real nonetheless.

 

[Willamena]

If there is any confusion on the part of theists when contemplating what it might mean to be atheists it would be the atheist tendency to deny any similarities that such an ideology might induce. Those similarities may not be indicative of atheism but they are real nonetheless.

Can you explain?

 

[David T]

This is not quite the first line of the song 'Bitter End' by Rag'n'Bone Man

That one line using my 1st person interpretation rather than the songs 2nd person reminds me so much of how theists assume an atheist thinks of god.

I have been told in the last few days 'your god is your belief that there is no god' eh! 'an atheists god is ... ', 'you must believe in god to be moral', that old favourite 'you hate god' etc, etc, etc.

Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. As an atheist my position on god is the same as my position on harry potter, mickey mouse or bilbo baggins, i.e. they are fictional characters. And i am pretty sure most (if not all) atheists would agree.

I have struggled to understand this theist view of atheism and I can only conclude that they [certain theists] cannot conceive of the atheist viewpoint because they think in terms of god.

Am i correct in this conclusion or has anyone got another explain?

Well theists are a bit kooky but normal. Although all atheists insist that their own personal understanding is complete nonsense scientifically Which i totally agree with. Atheists understanding of yhe topic is garbage parroted from theists is all.

Atheists experts are theists in context to the topic. Severly confused heretic theists in ancient world at that. Heretic is a religious word for idiot.

So if you rely on an idiot to show you astrology charts are they reliable cosmologists? I dont think so but all atheists insist theists are the experts to the topic God. Ha ha ha ha ha now thats funny.

 

[Earthling]

Can you explain?

Similarities between atheists that don't necessarily negate or indicate atheism? Many atheists are science minded, many are socially and politically frustrated, many from certain parts of the world, many aren't militant, they like Douglas Adams, accept evolution, perhaps are more educated, there are all sorts of possibilities.

 

[Willamena]

Similarities between atheists that don't necessarily negate or indicate atheism? Many atheists are science minded, many are socially and politically frustrated, many from certain parts of the world, many aren't militant, they like Douglas Adams, accept evolution, perhaps are more educated, there are all sorts of possibilities.

Those would seem to be indicators of humanity, rather than atheism.

 

[PureX]

As an atheist my position on god is the same as my position on harry potter, mickey mouse or bilbo baggins, i.e. they are fictional characters. And i am pretty sure most (if not all) atheists would agree.

This is not the problem. The problem and the disagreements come when the atheist imagines, and then insists to everyone else, that "fiction isn't real". Or that, "if it isn't real, it isn't true". Because what most atheists mean by "real" and "true", is 'materially extant'. And this is not how theists perceive or experience their reality.

I have struggled to understand this theist view of atheism and I can only conclude that they [certain theists] cannot conceive of the atheist viewpoint because they think in terms of god.

Am i correct in this conclusion or has anyone got another explain?

Spiritualists have just as much difficulty understanding materialism as materialists have understanding spiritualism. This is normal. After all, how can anyone understand a way of perceiving and experiencing reality that they have not (and/or will not even try to) experience or perceive for themselves? We would be fools to expect someone to understand what they have never experienced.

 

[Earthling]

Those would seem to be indicators of humanity, rather than atheism.

Yeah, well, that's the thing. Apparently they are human. But not only that, there are commonalities. It seems to me that it would be unrealistic to doubt that. Things that are common in atheists but not necessarily exclusive to them.

 

[Willamena]

Yeah, well, that's the thing. Apparently they are human. But not only that, there are commonalities. It seems to me that it would be unrealistic to doubt that. Things that are common in atheists but not necessarily exclusive to them.

It would be unrealistic to doubt that atheists are human.

 

[Wisdom of Ages]

This is not quite the first line of the song 'Bitter End' by Rag'n'Bone Man

That one line using my 1st person interpretation rather than the songs 2nd person reminds me so much of how theists assume an atheist thinks of god.

I have been told in the last few days 'your god is your belief that there is no god' eh! 'an atheists god is ... ', 'you must believe in god to be moral', that old favourite 'you hate god' etc, etc, etc.

Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. As an atheist my position on god is the same as my position on harry potter, mickey mouse or bilbo baggins, i.e. they are fictional characters. And i am pretty sure most (if not all) atheists would agree.

I have struggled to understand this theist view of atheism and I can only conclude that they [certain theists] cannot conceive of the atheist viewpoint because they think in terms of god.

Am i correct in this conclusion or has anyone got another explain?

.............SOLUTION = understanding the TRUTH.....that the HUMAN LIFE FORM cannot be labeled......the BODY is not a BELIEVER ! the BODY is an extraordinary TOOL...a TOOL with truly amazing abilities and capabilities...it IS a multi -sensory
bio organism...WITHOUT the BRAIN the body is a minimally responsive AVATAR if..it is kept ALIVE !

The BODY is NOT...a JEW-CHRISTIAN-MUSLIM-KRISHNA-+++countless other idiotic attachments humans invent....

The BRAIN is NOT a BELIEVER...it is a mass of fleshy material...on it's own without the BODY...it has minimal receptivity to process information...(this may not be factual....no way to prove otherwise)

The BRAIN is NOT...a JEW-CHRISTIAN-MUSLIM-++++ all the idiotic nonsense humans attach to their identity

POINT: Humans are truly extraordinary LIFE FORMS...and to LIMIT the processing ability and capability of the mind and body combined by attaching the utter IDIOCY of human fabricated GOD garbage along with totally insane DOGMA to it is the ultimate DISGRACE

POINT...NO human is an ATHEIST or other stupid LABEL...words themselves are human constructs...over time the words can change in meaning and usage....GET IT ! humans fabricate this garbage...none of it is critical to EXIST and THRIVE...

Especially to use words as TOOLS to dehumanize-demoralize and degrade this awesome LIFE FORM into some zombie slave drone....

......GOD ? another idiotic and meaningless word NO HUMAN AGREES UPON...but easily MURDERS and DESTROYS over it......SOLUTION = reduce GOD to Mythology...like Zeus and Odin so no more harm can be done in their HUMAN FABRICATED NAMES and stories they attach to them....

 

[Earthling]

It would be unrealistic to doubt that atheists are human.

Well, if we theists are confused about that it very well could be the fault of atheists. Between evolution and transpermia hypothesis we can't figure out if you're content with being qualified as apes or aliens.

Now, I'm only kidding.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

One of the principle differences between 'atheist' and 'theist'?

Is they way they process information.

To be a theist, one must have accepted at one point, an Argument From Authority without much question. This 'authority' whatever it may be, is Not To Be Questioned-- EVER.

Oh, the 'authority' can be argued over, and the details batted about, but the fundamental, principle Authority-with-an-A? Never Ever-Ever Questioned.

For example: among most christians, the 'authority' that cannot ever be rejected, is the bible story of Jesus. That is Never To Be Doubted, Or Else. Oh, the details can be argued with, and they are (else there'd not be in excess of 45,000 different brands), but that Central Authority is Sacrosanct.

Because of this, many theists try to point to a similar "Never Can Be Questioned Authority" among atheists.

Obviously, there is no such thing. Sometimes, ludicrously, theists mistakenly try to warp science into this Role. This never works, because science is inherently founded on Doubt-- that's how it works, of course: a claim is made, which is immediately doubted, and thus the claim is tested, re-tested and tested again and again and again, endlessly. Only after literal years of constant attempts to prove the claim wrong, is it grudgingly elevated to 'the lofty status of theory'. But even that does not eliminate the testing...

No, science is actually the opposite of religion, as it's based on constant questioning and statements of "prove it".

Whereas theism is based entirely on at least the minimum claim "God Said Thus" -- and woe betide anyone who dares to question the Holy Proclamation™

The consequences? Atheists do not have a 'god', per say-- no all encompassing Authority.

Whereas all theists must perforce have at least one.

It is something many theists simply cannot comprehend-- a worldview without some Magical Authority which can never be questioned.