I Think, Therefor You Are

[zombieharlot]

"I think, therefore you are."

Does that statement mean anything to you? If so, what?

Does it relate to or differ from, "I think, therefore I am?" Explain.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I would say it's different from "I think therefore I am." Descarte came up with his philosophy while he was drowning in a sea of self doubt. His conclusion, he really exists because he has thoughts.

I can't find any information on the "I think, therefore you are." Allthough my initial thoughts of it is proving someones existance because you think. I think it's a view in the "what is real" debate that doesn't hold much credibility. It would be implying anything/one can be real just because you think.

 

[YmirGF]

"I think, therefore you are."

Does that statement mean anything to you? If so, what?

Does it relate to or differ from, "I think, therefore I am?" Explain.

No. My existence is not dependant on your thought about me, although it does affect your perception of my existence. LIkewise, when you die, this world will cease to be a part of your experience. This world will still be here, independant of your perception or lack thereof.

"I think, therefore I am, I think" is purely subjective. For example, others cannot normally detect your thoughts directly. Normally. Things might get a tad blurry with the introduction of the possibility of what is regarded as mental telepathy however.

 

[Pardus]

Reminds me of a time when an entire chatroom full of people were sleep deprived and talking about life, love and everything in general.

I think i ended the conversation with "I S**t Therefore I Am", all being sleep deprived and really mentally drained made it humourous.

You had to be there.

 

[Awen]

(First of all, I've just woken up so if this makes no sense, that's why! )

In my opinion, it differs greatly from "I think, therefore I am" ~ which is an incredible personal phrase, able to describe so much more than simply the job I do, clothes I wear, my music taste/ability etc. It can describe what I choose it to describe; my very soul if I had the days to spend in attempts at putting it into words.

If I said, "I think, therefore you are" it only serves to outline/construct my personal limitations, in attemtpting to do the above for other people. "I think, therefore I am" HAS no limitations (within the obvious boundaries of human nature)...because it is entirely possible that I am...?

Does that make sense? :sleep:

 

[RevOxley_501]

"I think, therefore you are."

Does that statement mean anything to you? If so, what?

Does it relate to or differ from, "I think, therefore I am?" Explain.

it means im not talking to you, because you dont exist

 

[Ozzie]

"I think, therefore you are."

Does that statement mean anything to you? If so, what?

Does it relate to or differ from, "I think, therefore I am?" Explain.

Good question. They relate. Concepts like "I am" and "you are" would make no sense IMO if we were born and raised in isolation. I think (unfortunate phrase) young children developing self concept are more likely to rationalise in terms of "you are therefore I am" than to use Descartes proof which is pretty unconvincing to me philosophically.

 

[Ozzie]

Reminds me of a time when an entire chatroom full of people were sleep deprived and talking about life, love and everything in general.

I think i ended the conversation with "I S**t Therefore I Am", all being sleep deprived and really mentally drained made it humourous.

You had to be there.

You are the first to conceive of a link between sleep deprivation and a cure for constipation.:yes:

 

[Willamena]

"I think, therefore you are."

Does that statement mean anything to you? If so, what?

I would say, it simply says, "I can be aware of you." I can think, therefore I can be aware that you are there. That defines existence, in a nutshell: if you are aware of something, then something exists that is being aware (an agent, "I"), and something exists of which to be aware ("the other"). Of course, that says nothing about the reality of the existence of "the other".

Does it relate to or differ from, "I think, therefore I am?" Explain.

This is one is similar, but with the added feature that the reality of the existence of the thing cannot be rationally denied. As the experiencing agent, if there truly is no "I" then there is also nothing with which to perceive. The truth belongs to reality.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

"I think, therefore you are."

Does that statement mean anything to you? If so, what?

Does it relate to or differ from, "I think, therefore I am?" Explain.

When interpreted strictly existentially, both statements are mutually inclusive. If you are because you think, so is everything else. Behold the worthlessness of existentialism.

 

[doppelganger]

You are. Therefore, I am.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You think and therefore, gone wrong.

 

[Fluffy]

The Cogito is not just a collection of words thrown together. Replacing some of those words without due reason and in fact contrary to its own reasoning will not lead you anywhere.

Going from "I think therefore I am" to "I think therefore you are" suggests that the it is the act of thinking that is causing existence when what it actually attempts to demonstrate is that the thinking allows us to deduce our own existence.

"I think therefore you are" is not a valid argument because the conclusion does not follow from the premise. There does not seem to be any reason why the existence of my thoughts would let me deduce your existence.