I Was a “Terrorist Country” Refugee Who’d Grown Up Shouting “Death to America.” America Trusted Me A

[columbus]

Military casualties in war =! Terrorism, which is what this is about. I could probably do some digging but it'll have to be after I can get back to my computer.

Can you imagine the effrontery of Iraqis attacking USA liberators? Don't those people understand the meaning of the word "grateful"?

They must like wallowing in their unChristian evil. Typical, isn't it?
Tom

 

[Kirran]

Another time this kind of rhetoric was used a lot was during the early 20th Century when there was massive Irish immigration to the USA, especially New York. Mostly they were fleeing poverty in their home island. Lots of people worked to block their entry by saying that some might be Irish separatist terrorists.

 

[JakofHearts]

Military casualties in war =! Terrorism, which is what this is about. I could probably do some digging but it'll have to be after I can get back to my computer.

The statistics you provided only mentions Americans killed by selected countries civilians. Additionally, two Americans that were killed in the Benghazi incident were not military - so there seems to be inconsistencies on it's own terms on what it is focussing on. The years from 1975 to 2015 is a large span of time, yet zero deaths in said countries seems to "ignore" other data to paint a more accurate depiction of American lives lost.

 

[Mindmaster]

Another time this kind of rhetoric was used a lot was during the early 20th Century when there was massive Irish immigration to the USA, especially New York. Mostly they were fleeing poverty in their home island. Lots of people worked to block their entry by saying that some might be Irish separatist terrorists.

This is sort of a composition/division problem, there is no relation to the Irish people of that time and Muslim nations. While they might be similar at first glance, the Irish weren't party to jihads or suicide attacks like this. Those Irish weren't seeking the destruction of the west, they were just hungry. Again, I think there is nothing wrong with caution and certainly it is warranted. Most of my direct ancestors were involved in that situation, and mostly they were just seeking a fresh start. They came to America, and wanted to live like Americans -- all of them became Americans. These bonds are what create peace, and love between people... If that can't happen there is no solution...

Muslims are Muslims before they are anything else... They don't integrate, they don't care about anyone else, and certainly they aren't going to become Americans just because they sat here. That's predominately why I've been against bringing them in, not for any prejudice against them. When someone has that type of logic there is just no damn middle ground... If there was this argument would be over already. You can't make peace with a culture that perpetually thinks it is at war with you, and you certainly can't bond with people who will not associate with non-Muslims in any fashion other than to take money from them.

 

[Kirran]

This is sort of a composition/division problem, there is no relation to the Irish people of that time and Muslim nations. While they might be similar at first glance, the Irish weren't party to jihads or suicide attacks like this. Those Irish weren't seeking the destruction of the west, they were just hungry. Again, I think there is nothing wrong with caution and certainly it is warranted. Most of my direct ancestors were involved in that situation, and mostly they were just seeking a fresh start. They came to America, and wanted to live like Americans -- all of them became Americans.

Muslims are Muslims before they are anything else... They don't integrate, they don't care about anyone else, and certainly they aren't going to become Americans just because they sat here. That's predominately why I've been against bringing them in, not for any prejudice against them. When someone has that type of logic there is just no damn middle ground... If there was this argument would be over already.

What, all Muslims want the destruction of the West? That's new to me. Several of my friends are Muslim, so I'd better inform them of this as they don't seem to have got the memo.

Honestly, the level of ignorance required to make a statement like '[Muslims] don't integrate, they don't care about anyone else' is quite staggering. These are 1.6 billion human beings. It is very blatantly obvious that many Muslims have integrated, and that many of them care about non-Muslim human beings.

 

[Mindmaster]

What, all Muslims want the destruction of the West? That's new to me. Several of my friends are Muslim, so I'd better inform them of this as they don't seem to have got the memo.

Honestly, the level of ignorance required to make a statement like '[Muslims] don't integrate, they don't about anyone else' is quite staggering. These are 1.6 billion human beings. It is very blatantly obvious that many Muslims have integrated, and that many of them care about non-Muslim human beings.

Again, this depends on what Muslims you are talking about. I'm specifically speaking of people from the refugee areas and terrorist hotbeds, not every damn Muslim on the planet. Common sense here, please.

There are plenty of integrated Muslims living in western nations, but they are not the source of the problems. for the most part, at all. But also, they aren't the ones going on rampages either.

You applied a conversation about a very specific group to all Muslims, your bad not mine. What the hell are we talking about anyway?

 

[Kirran]

Again, this depends on what Muslims you are talking about. I'm specifically speaking of people from the refugee areas and terrorist hotbeds, not every damn Muslim on the planet. Common sense here, please.

There are plenty of integrated Muslims living in western nations, but they are not the source of the problems. for the most part, at all. But also, they aren't the ones going on rampages either.

You applied a conversation about a very specific group to all Muslims, your bad not mine. What the hell are we talking about anyway?

Then don't say 'Muslims' without any qualifiers. That's bigotry. And I have a friend who is a refugee from Syria, alongside his wife and two-year-old son. He was a co-worker of mine. He clearly cared about other people.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Do you have a source for this?

Battle of Mogadishu (1993), a battle between forces of the United States and Somali militia fighters doesn't count? Or the war in Iraq? Benghazi?

I'm not home yet but another poster linked this, likely their common source is what it's referring to: How Does Trump's Immigration Freeze Square With His Business Interests?

One other thing they have in common, as NPR's Greg Myre writes: "No Muslim extremist from any of these places has carried out a fatal attack in the U.S. in more than two decades."

The 19 terrorists in the Sept. 11 attacks were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon and the United Arab Emirates, Myre points out. They are among the Muslim-majority countries not affected by Trump's immigration freeze, but where Trump does business.