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I was wrong - and that makes me angry.

What Menschenbild (picture of man) is correct?

  • People are more evil than stupid.

    Votes: 1 3.7%
  • People are more stupid than evil.

    Votes: 26 96.3%

  • Total voters
    27

Heyo

Veteran Member
I consider myself fairly informed about the two candidates, looked at what one was offering and the other one flat said they would have done nothing different than the current administration did. Given that their was only one logical choice in my mind and the country agreed. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
May I test your knowledge?

Do you know that
- Trump had an affair with a porn actress while his wife was pregnant
- he paid her to keep quiet during his campaign in 2016
- he tried to hide the payment, illegally
- he is a habitual liar, far beyond that what is usual in politicians
- he stole secret documents and the FBI had to get them back
- he tried to interfere, most probably illegally, in the 2020 election
- his campaign promises, if enacted, will lead to increased deficit and higher prices, according to most leading economists
- he made misogynistic, xenophobic and racist remarks?

I assume you know all that, even you wouldn't put it in the same words - and you are OK with such a man becoming PotUS.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
What do you think?
The election results definitely harmed my faith in the USA people's moral discernment for at least a few decades.

I am not sure my faith in humanity in general will fare much better either.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
Once again, I must tell the apocryphal story
of Trump's first marriage to Mavis Trump.
She divorced him the day after the ceremony
because he spent the entire wedding night
bragging about his sexual prowess, &
promising how great it was going to be.

Then she looked at his hands and that was when the first feeling of doubt entered her mind.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I know Trump voters (many who aren't Maga).
Some are clueless about things like his attempted coup.
Others share his need for vengeance against illegals,
gays, trans, & liberals.
Stupidity & evil are brethren in his cult.
Liberals are soooo smart that they trotted out kam the harris
for an election that was yours to lose.

You Americans are such a perpetual disappointment.

Dont be surprised when you lose everything that you never did deserve.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The following are direct quotes from Donald Trump, as to what he promises to deliver if elected:

"On day one I will launch the largest deportation program of criminals in the history of America."
Can somebody tell me how this will be accomplished? The estimates are that it would cost about $88 billion to deport just 1 million people in 1 year, if that was even logistically possible. How many new police will have to be hired to round up a million people? How many would have to be caught and processed every single day, including Sunday? (The answer 2,740.)

"These companies don't make their products here in the USA then they will be forced to pay tariffs"
The US Government has no power to force an extranational company to pay anything to the US. If he is talking about American companies that buy products abroad for sale here, then yes, they can force them to pay tariffs. What will happen to the price of their goods then? And out of curiosity, what will happen to the prices of similar products made at home that will then cost less than those imports? Well, guess what -- they'll go up; perhaps not quite as high as the import, but higher than they are now. That contributes to inflation. (And it must be remembered that there are foreign goods in almost every product sold within the United States -- some which simply don't exist in the U.S. The increased cost of those components, due to tariffs, will be added to the cost of the finished goods sold in America.)

"I will cut your energy prices in half within 12 months."
So are any of the companies that sell that energy private? Does that mean that the government will now be mandating pricing policies in the private sector? I thought that Republicans were all about the reverse, and smaller -- not larger -- government.

"For people that are using IVF which is fertilization, the government is going to pay for it, we will mandate your insurance company to pay for it."
Well, which is it? The government is going to pay, or insurance companies (private companies again) are going to have their pricing policies mandated? Will that involve them raising insurance premiums, do you suppose?

"We will cut your taxes and inflation, slash your prices, raise your wages and bring thousands and thousands of factories back to America."
How many Americans are looking forward to adding another $9 trillion to the accumulated national debt, which those tax cuts are sure to do. What control does the government have over inflation, which is caused by many factors outside of government control? Slashing prices? The government is going to go out to every store in the nation and tell them, "We know you had to pay $xx.00 for your products, but we want you to sell them for 15% less?" You think that's going to work? Won't that causes massive losses likely to shut down many of those businesses? Oh, and then there are those companies (all private) that are going to be forced to raise wages for their employees -- but not build that cost into the price of their products? Oh, yeah, I can see that, can't you?

Now, anybody wonder why some of things voters were poorly informed when they voted for Trump and the Republicans?
Still playing Nostradamus I see.

Good news is we're going to see how badly off you are in the next 4 years.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
The following are direct quotes from Donald Trump, as to what he promises to deliver if elected:

"On day one I will launch the largest deportation program of criminals in the history of America."
Can somebody tell me how this will be accomplished? The estimates are that it would cost about $88 billion to deport just 1 million people in 1 year, if that was even logistically possible. How many new police will have to be hired to round up a million people? How many would have to be caught and processed every single day, including Sunday? (The answer 2,740.)
I don’t know how all the logistics will work out, but just saw this the other day…

"These companies don't make their products here in the USA then they will be forced to pay tariffs"
The US Government has no power to force an extranational company to pay anything to the US. If he is talking about American companies that buy products abroad for sale here, then yes, they can force them to pay tariffs. What will happen to the price of their goods then? And out of curiosity, what will happen to the prices of similar products made at home that will then cost less than those imports? Well, guess what -- they'll go up; perhaps not quite as high as the import, but higher than they are now. That contributes to inflation. (And it must be remembered that there are foreign goods in almost every product sold within the United States -- some which simply don't exist in the U.S. The increased cost of those components, due to tariffs, will be added to the cost of the finished goods sold in America.)
I just read that several major companies are already making plans to move their manufacturing out of China and back to the U. S. Might end up being a good thing. A relative of mine has had factories in China for almost two decades and has been in the process of transferring his business back to the states. He seems to think it’s a good move.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Liberals are soooo smart that they trotted out kam the harris
forvan election that was yours to lose.

You Americans are suh a perpetual disappointment.

Dont be surprised when you lose everything that you never did deserve.
I won’t be surprised.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I just read that several major companies are already making plans to move their manufacturing out of China and back to the U. S. Might end up being a good thing. A relative of mine has had factories in China for almost two decades and has been in the process of transferring his business back to the states. He seems to think it’s a good move.
Yep, not a bad move -- easy to approve of.

Except...Americans are complaining most about price. Move that manufacturing back to the US, and you have to pay US wages, which are much higher than the Chinese (or Pakistani, or Indonesian, or Bangladeshi) are being paid. Guess what?!? That gets added to the price of goods -- and thus prices go up. Exactly what Americans claim they DON'T want.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yep, not a bad move -- easy to approve of.

Except...Americans are complaining most about price. Move that manufacturing back to the US, and you have to pay US wages, which are much higher than the Chinese (or Pakistani, or Indonesian, or Bangladeshi) are being paid. Guess what?!? That gets added to the price of goods -- and thus prices go up. Exactly what Americans claim they DON'T want.
And meet US regulations while paying for US
property. It will help employment, but that's
already strong, which means competition for
employees will rise as will wages, but also
increasing inflation. Low skill workers, & fixed
income consumers will suffer.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
And meet US regulations while paying for US
property. It will help employment, but that's
already strong, which means competition for
employees will rise as will wages, but also
increasing inflation. Low skill workers will
likely suffer.
Welcome to the world of action/reaction. Sad that there's math to calculate it on the billiard table, but not in complex economic systems.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Still playing Nostradamus I see.

Good news is we're going to see how badly off you are in the next 4 years.
Hi, nice to see you.
Can you help me restore my trust in humanity by answering the questions I asked in post #21?
It would really help.
(Remember that the election is over, no need to lie now.)
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I don’t know how all the logistics will work out, but just saw this the other day…


I just read that several major companies are already making plans to move their manufacturing out of China and back to the U. S. Might end up being a good thing. A relative of mine has had factories in China for almost two decades and has been in the process of transferring his business back to the states. He seems to think it’s a good move.
Hi, if you didn't vote for Kamala, can you please answer the questions I asked in post #21?
It would greatly help me understand.
 

an anarchist

Your local loco.
May I test your knowledge?

Do you know that
- Trump had an affair with a porn actress while his wife was pregnant
- he paid her to keep quiet during his campaign in 2016
- he tried to hide the payment, illegally
- he is a habitual liar, far beyond that what is usual in politicians
- he stole secret documents and the FBI had to get them back
- he tried to interfere, most probably illegally, in the 2020 election
- his campaign promises, if enacted, will lead to increased deficit and higher prices, according to most leading economists
- he made misogynistic, xenophobic and racist remarks?

I assume you know all that, even you wouldn't put it in the same words - and you are OK with such a man becoming PotUS.
Heyo, my perspective is that every president gives the a-ok for American imperialism which results in death and suffering. So the list you present wouldn’t shock me in the sense that “oh this guy is bad he shouldn’t be president” like it does in a sense like I don’t want a r*pist to be the face of my country but maybe it’s a fitting representation of statism. But anyways all politicians likely contribute to the horrors of government. But that’s just my perspective with me looking “outside the matrix”.

I understand your point you are making for people who don’t view statism and politicians as I do. People who believe there is room for moral people in roles of government. Voting for Donald Trump counters the pretense that one believe that moral people should run government.

I’m a little tired and loopy right now normally I wouldn’t post my incoherence above but I think you’ll get the gist of what I’m trying to say.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
May I test your knowledge?

Do you know that
- Trump had an affair with a porn actress while his wife was pregnant
- he paid her to keep quiet during his campaign in 2016
- he tried to hide the payment, illegally
In my country a certain politician would have paid her to tell the media how great the sex was...not to keep quiet.
I cannot mention him, out of respect.


But again...we are a pagan country. Not a Christian one. ;)
- he stole secret documents and the FBI had to get them back
I hope he photocopied them first...
I hate when the FBI hides something from the public.
Not to mention the CIA.
 

an anarchist

Your local loco.
Voting for Donald Trump counters the pretense that one believe that moral people should run government.
Of course, I suppose voting for Kamala forces you to give up the pretense that you believe moral people should be in government. Kamala’s stance on Israel/Gaza is all I’m saying and all you have to point to to say Kamala is scum. See, they all are scum. So one side isn’t more evil than the other, just different perspectives.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Of course, I suppose voting for Kamala forces you to give up the pretense that you believe moral people should be in government. Kamala’s stance on Israel/Gaza is all I’m saying and all you have to point to to say Kamala is scum. See, they all are scum. So one side isn’t more evil than the other, just different perspectives.
We have already established the fact that voter turnout was the main reason Harris lost.
Do I understand you right that you say, the non-voters saw Trump and Harris as equally bad?
But even if that is true, there are still more voters who can live with Trumps antics than there are who can live with Harris.
 
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