Milton Platt
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I can agree with you in general...but simply mirroring "comparable nations" is not a good way to determine morality or ethics. Who decides what other nations are "comparable" and by what standards of measure?
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"Iceland Could Become first Country to Ban Male Circumcision"
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I can agree with you in general...but simply mirroring "comparable nations" is not a good way to determine morality or ethics. Who decides what other nations are "comparable" and by what standards of measure?
Just a rant mainly
- I suspect that the USA is not leading in the many areas I mentioned though, and many other nations are doing so - if we believe that progress of sorts is possible. I doubt for example many would allow smacking or caning back in UK schools - as for many other countries - or that the death penalty will come back, or that guns will become more available again. If, as seems to be the case, children are getting more rights and protections, I suspect that it might not be that long before the focus alights on circumcision in the UK and how there appears to be an anomaly for this case.
Comparing our response to similar phenomena
in different cultures can illuminate inconsistency
& prejudice.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Totally agree. It just seemed that the poster was indicating that we should simply mirror behavior because someone else was doing it.
Understood.
If anything, allowing irreversible body modifications that signify membership in a religion before the person getting them can consent is the attack on freedom of religion.
The baby will grow up into an adult who will have their own ideas about what religion they want to belong to. Maybe they'll accept their family's religion and maybe they won't. The decision is theirs.
This has been covered before, but I'm not sure which thread.
There are both benefits & detriments.
But regarding them, be careful about studies citing 3rd world results.
Benefits there don't necessarily apply in societies with better hygiene.
It seems that medical opinion in the USA (where circumcision is very high) seems to think so, but elsewhere (Europe, for example, where circumcision is not so high - and mostly being done for religious reasons), it doesn't tend to be the case. Could it be that the USA might be biased - by religious beliefs?
That is hardly what I was saying. Just that we should look at what other nations do to see if we need to change our attitudes. The USA seems rather reluctant in many areas. Those who have changed do seem to do so on available or new evidence - which is a better means of progressing. Things like - studies showing that smacking children is not good for them and often harms them, for example. Which is why it is now banned in some countries. If we only look inward and don't look at what other comparable nations are doing then we often miss out on the benefits seen in their societies.
If there is money to be made then the USA is definitely on board and most likely leading the way
In my (albeit limited) experience, doctors aren't encouraging circumcision.
My brother in law is a pharmacist, even when he sees clear signs and symptoms of something they are not allowed to recommend or encourage a patient anything, whether that involves medication or not due to the law and the fear of getting sued. I would imagine doctors are the same way, they won't and i think should not encourage nor discourage things such as circumcision. If asked, of course give your medical opinion and let the parents/patient decide. Unfortunately, that is not always the case in the US, for example, you have many doctors that actually get a commission/kick back from drug companies for prescribing them certain medications.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Excellent thoughts. Although my parents were protestants they had me circumcised because they were told it was the hygienic thing to do. In fact, just about every boy in our predominantly protestant neighborhood was circumcised (One could tell when we showered and changed into bathing suits at the local pool.) It was even odd and stare worthy to see an uncircumcised penis. One of those "How gross" things you come across as a kid.
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I'd expect that pharmacists would be more restricted from making
recommendations, since they're not physicians treating the patient.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Not sure. How about aesthetics?
I would hope that would be last on the list of reasons, but circumcised penises probably look decidedly odd to those of us still intact.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And vice versa. I do believe a common euphemism would be a "dog (hmm how can I say this? Oh yeah) richard". To get a proper answer one would need to ask the female members.I would hope that would be last on the list of reasons, but circumcised penises probably look decidedly odd to those of us still intact.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Prostitution and genital mutilation should be an adults-only business.