I'd like to debate this...

[Seeker1]

In the beginning there was THE TRUE GOD. For reasons entirely His own, He created Angels, with whom were imbued with the powers that God gave to them. The most powerful had the power to create -- and destroy. This, most powerful of the angels created the Heavens and the Earth, and all in it, including Man. It is no repetition in Genesis, it's an actual fact. Man existed before Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve resided in a non-earthly area called , at that time, Eden. Eden is a perfect place where the only fruit man has not yet eaten from is the Tree of Life. Eden is our true home , for which we all long to return to. When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, They were turned into corporeal Beings and banished from The Garden. The new name of the Garden of Eden is Heaven, and our goal is to return there. When Adam and Eve became earthbound, all men were imbued with souls that had eaten of the forbidden fruit.
The earlier, lesser "gods" were imperfect, The most cursory examination of the Old Testament contains plenty of unpleasant things being done to people who, basically, didn't deserve it . For instance, how do you think the folks living in Jericho felt when their walls fell down? Don't even get me started on Sodom and Gommorah, and the Oh So just Lot that offered up his daughters to gang rape to save some angels. Near_total global destruction because of why? Changing what?
Around 2000 years ago, for reasons entirely His own, God, the true God became a Man. He was not the first to come along claiming to be the Messiah, but his Message was different and all-inclusive. IT is interesting to note that God , at that time, was more readily accepted by other religions. The Saducees and the Pharisees hated Jesus for two very familiar reasons--money and power. The Romans just wanted the natives to be quiet. Besides that, Jesus' entrance to Jerusalem had deliberately mocked them
The earthly death of Jesus was not a sacrifice to the True God for our sins.The True God abhors violence. The death of Jesus was a final, Perfect sacrifice to the lesser Gods, and their power to torment man was abated. Since that time it's been up to us.

 

[Otherright]

Seeker you are in Bold

In the beginning there was THE TRUE GOD. For reasons entirely His own, He created Angels, with whom were imbued with the powers that God gave to them. The most powerful had the power to create -- and destroy. This, most powerful of the angels created the Heavens and the Earth, and all in it, including Man. It is no repetition in Genesis, it's an actual fact. Man existed before Adam and Eve.

Where are you finding this scripturally? How is this a fact, because you said so?

Adam and Eve resided in a non-earthly area called , at that time, Eden. Eden is a perfect place where the only fruit man has not yet eaten from is the Tree of Life.

If you are going to use scriptural basis for your created story, try and get it right.

Eden is our true home , for which we all long to return to. When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, They were turned into corporeal Beings and banished from The Garden. The new name of the Garden of Eden is Heaven, and our goal is to return there.

You are just making this up as you go aren't you?

When Adam and Eve became earthbound, all men were imbued with souls that had eaten of the forbidden fruit.

There were just two folks, and I thought in your version, the tree was in Eden. How are these "all men" getting souls from eating the fruit? Did the tree come with them?
A creative writing course would do you some good.


The earlier, lesser "gods" were imperfect, The most cursory examination of the Old Testament contains plenty of unpleasant things being done to people who, basically, didn't deserve it . For instance, how do you think the folks living in Jericho felt when their walls fell down? Don't even get me started on Sodom and Gommorah, and the Oh So just Lot that offered up his daughters to gang rape to save some angels. Near_total global destruction because of why? Changing what?


Who are these lesser gods. Where did they come in? You just plopped them into your storyline. Yeah, the walls of Jericho is a great explanation for why bad things happen to good people. What does Lot have to do with your premise of Jericho?Don't blame Lot for near total destruction. Blame Gabriel, he started it.


Around 2000 years ago, for reasons entirely His own, God, the true God became a Man. He was not the first to come along claiming to be the Messiah, but his Message was different and all-inclusive. IT is interesting to note that God , at that time, was more readily accepted by other religions.

Oh its clear how your God continually changed his mind in the covenants he created with the henotheists.
God didn't claim to be the Messiah, Jesus did. But even he wasn't. More readily accepted? How so, you've not mentioned any other culture. Tell me how he was accepted in say Buddhism and his message for them.

The Saducees and the Pharisees hated Jesus for two very familiar reasons--money and power. The Romans just wanted the natives to be quiet. Besides that, Jesus' entrance to Jerusalem had deliberately mocked them

Why would they hate him for that, he had neither. Why are you mentioning the Romans here? Mocked who?

The earthly death of Jesus was not a sacrifice to the True God for our sins.The True God abhors violence. The death of Jesus was a final, Perfect sacrifice to the lesser Gods, and their power to torment man was abated. Since that time it's been up to us.

You are right, it was the crucifixion of a man who was privately teaching he was the King of the Jews.

I can see that the True God abhors violence. The only God you've mentioned here is the Judeo-Christian God, who, if you've ever read a Bible seems to delight in punishing his fold.

The Lesser gods again. Who are the lesser Gods? What's been up to use, being perfect sacrifices?

 

[Riverwolf]

Interesting take on Christian mythology. But what did you want to debate? I don't really see an argument.

 

[earlwooters]

Debate what?

 

[Seeker1]

In the beginning there was THE TRUE GOD. For reasons entirely His own, He created Angels, with whom were imbued with the powers that God gave to them. The most powerful had the power to create -- and destroy. This, most powerful of the angels created the Heavens and the Earth, and all in it, including Man. It is no repetition in Genesis, it's an actual fact. Man existed before Adam and Eve.

Where are you finding this scripturally? How is this a fact, because you said so?

1. Genesis 1 verses 27 and 28. Note that this was the sixth day
2. Genesis 2 , after God had "rested" (he was tired?) on the seventh day.
3. Genesis 3 ,verse 22--the real reason god wanted Adam and Eve out of the garden ASAP
4. Genesis 3, verse 20 names Eve as "mother of all living.
5. If there were literal angels with flaming swords anywhere near the euphrates, I don't know about it. I think the US military would be very interested.

 

[Seeker1]

A creative writing course would do you some good.
Believe it or not, I've taken two!!! Please forgive my writing, I can't type like I used to, and this is a brand new forum to me. And it's a brand new Laptop. I'll have to rest for a while now...Got some more verses to look up too. Thanks for replying to what I admit is a bit off the wall... But I have more to support my claims. Thanks Again

 

[Otherright]

In the beginning there was THE TRUE GOD. For reasons entirely His own, He created Angels, with whom were imbued with the powers that God gave to them. The most powerful had the power to create -- and destroy. This, most powerful of the angels created the Heavens and the Earth, and all in it, including Man. It is no repetition in Genesis, it's an actual fact. Man existed before Adam and Eve.

Where are you finding this scripturally? How is this a fact, because you said so?

1. Genesis 1 verses 27 and 28. Note that this was the sixth day
2. Genesis 2 , after God had "rested" (he was tired?) on the seventh day.
3. Genesis 3 ,verse 22--the real reason god wanted Adam and Eve out of the garden ASAP
4. Genesis 3, verse 20 names Eve as "mother of all living.
5. If there were literal angels with flaming swords anywhere near the euphrates, I don't know about it. I think the US military would be very interested.

Where are you getting that angels created the heavens and the earth? The bible says specifically that God created these things (if you choose to believe such).
In verses 27 and 28, it tell us God created man in his image, and he blessed them and gave them dominion over the earth and everything on it.

You didn't answer to any other reply I made. When are you going to start debating this?

 

[Otherright]

A creative writing course would do you some good.
Believe it or not, I've taken two!!! Please forgive my writing, I can't type like I used to, and this is a brand new forum to me. And it's a brand new Laptop. I'll have to rest for a while now...Got some more verses to look up too. Thanks for replying to what I admit is a bit off the wall... But I have more to support my claims. Thanks Again

Creative writing did do me some good. Its made me a lot of money.

 

[McBell]

Interesting take on Christian mythology. But what did you want to debate? I don't really see an argument.

Perhaps he wants to debate his sources?

 

[Seeker1]

It's actually inspired by the Book of Judas, part of the apocrypha. I believe this answers to the obvious fact that the Old Testament God was obviously not omnipotent. Nor alone. In the book of Job he bets with satan on whether or not satan can break poor old Job. It explains the "sons" of God that were mating with human women and creating "mighty men of renown. It even explains Thor and Loki and Ares--

 

[Otherright]

It's actually inspired by the Book of Judas, part of the apocrypha. I believe this answers to the obvious fact that the Old Testament God was obviously not omnipotent. Nor alone. In the book of Job he bets with satan on whether or not satan can break poor old Job. It explains the "sons" of God that were mating with human women and creating "mighty men of renown. It even explains Thor and Loki and Ares--

It does not. No Nordic or Greek deity is mentioned in those books.

Since you are into Apocryphal readings, I suggest you read the Book of Enoch. The "Sons" of God that were mating with man, were the watchers, ten specific angels, and you inferred that word.

 

[Otherright]

The earlier, lesser "gods" were imperfect, The most cursory examination of the Old Testament contains plenty of unpleasant things being done to people who, basically, didn't deserve it . For instance, how do you think the folks living in Jericho felt when their walls fell down? Don't even get me started on Sodom and Gommorah, and the Oh So just Lot that offered up his daughters to gang rape to save some angels. Near_total global destruction because of why? Changing what?


Who are these lesser gods. Where did they come in? You just plopped them into your storyline. Yeah, the walls of Jericho is a great explanation for why bad things happen to good people. What does Lot have to do with your premise of Jericho?Don't blame Lot for near total destruction. Blame Gabriel, he started it.

 

[Riverwolf]

A creative writing course would do you some good.
Believe it or not, I've taken two!!!

So have I. What's your point?

 

[crocusj]

In the beginning there was THE TRUE GOD. For reasons entirely His own, He created Angels, with whom were imbued with the powers that God gave to them. The most powerful had the power to create -- and destroy. This, most powerful of the angels created the Heavens and the Earth, and all in it, including Man. It is no repetition in Genesis, it's an actual fact. Man existed before Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve resided in a non-earthly area called , at that time, Eden. Eden is a perfect place where the only fruit man has not yet eaten from is the Tree of Life. Eden is our true home , for which we all long to return to. When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, They were turned into corporeal Beings and banished from The Garden. The new name of the Garden of Eden is Heaven, and our goal is to return there. When Adam and Eve became earthbound, all men were imbued with souls that had eaten of the forbidden fruit.
The earlier, lesser "gods" were imperfect, The most cursory examination of the Old Testament contains plenty of unpleasant things being done to people who, basically, didn't deserve it . For instance, how do you think the folks living in Jericho felt when their walls fell down? Don't even get me started on Sodom and Gommorah, and the Oh So just Lot that offered up his daughters to gang rape to save some angels. Near_total global destruction because of why? Changing what?
Around 2000 years ago, for reasons entirely His own, God, the true God became a Man. He was not the first to come along claiming to be the Messiah, but his Message was different and all-inclusive. IT is interesting to note that God , at that time, was more readily accepted by other religions. The Saducees and the Pharisees hated Jesus for two very familiar reasons--money and power. The Romans just wanted the natives to be quiet. Besides that, Jesus' entrance to Jerusalem had deliberately mocked them
The earthly death of Jesus was not a sacrifice to the True God for our sins.The True God abhors violence. The death of Jesus was a final, Perfect sacrifice to the lesser Gods, and their power to torment man was abated. Since that time it's been up to us.

Or not, as the case may be.

 

[BruceDLimber]

There is only One God, Supreme, All-loving, and without rival or equal. No other gods exist or have existed.

Because of His love for humanity, He sends a Divine Messenger typically every 500-1,000 years to educate us by renewing religion and giving us updated social teachings (the spiritual teachings never change). This happened in the long past, has continued to the present, and will continue without end.

Jesus' death was not to redeem humanity but because humans rejected Him, tortured Him, and killed Him--NOT because of any intent or desire on God's part!

Nor is Jesus the only Divine Messenger to Whom this has happened, please note.

As humanity gradually evolved, we're given more and more advanced divine teachings, and will someday be able to arrive at a far more spiritual state (even while still in this life) than at present!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[tarekabdo12]

In the beginning there was THE TRUE GOD. For reasons entirely His own, He created Angels, with whom were imbued with the powers that God gave to them. The most powerful had the power to create -- and destroy. This, most powerful of the angels created the Heavens and the Earth, and all in it, including Man. It is no repetition in Genesis, it's an actual fact. Man existed before Adam and Eve.

The qura'n actually contradicts these phrases, the Qura'n says that God created everything and nobody has power like that God has. I think this appear more logical.

Adam and Eve resided in a non-earthly area called , at that time, Eden. Eden is a perfect place where the only fruit man has not yet eaten from is the Tree of Life. Eden is our true home , for which we all long to return to. When Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, They were turned into corporeal Beings and banished from The Garden. The new name of the Garden of Eden is Heaven, and our goal is to return there. When Adam and Eve became earthbound, all men were imbued with souls that had eaten of the forbidden fruit.

The Qura'n also contadicts this parts as It says that Adam was ordered not to eat from the tree( didn't mention that it was an aplle true) and this was a part of exam and a way to show him that devastating effects the satan will cause if he listen to him but from the beginnig Adam aws created to go down to the earrth and this was only a demonstration for the effect of the satan on his life and his progeny. There is nothing related to knowlegde, simply knowledge is a great thing and God won't punish anybody for havig knowledge but we were all ordered rather to search for true knowledge.

The earlier, lesser "gods" were imperfect, The most cursory examination of the Old Testament contains plenty of unpleasant things being done to people who, basically, didn't deserve it . For instance, how do you think the folks living in Jericho felt when their walls fell down? Don't even get me started on Sodom and Gommorah, and the Oh So just Lot that offered up his daughters to gang rape to save some angels. Near_total global destruction because of why? Changing what?

there are no earlire Gods there is only one God and lot didn't offer his daughter for rape, he didn't mean this literally of course. He expressed the word my girls referring to all the women in the city which he considered like his girls not his daughters literally.

IT is interesting to note that God , at that time, was more readily accepted by other religions. The Saducees and the Pharisees hated Jesus for two very familiar reasons--money and power. The Romans just wanted the natives to be quiet. Besides that, Jesus' entrance to Jerusalem had deliberately mocked them
The earthly death of Jesus was not a sacrifice to the True God for our sins.The True God abhors violence. The death of Jesus was a final, Perfect sacrifice to the lesser Gods, and their power to torment man was abated. Since that time it's been up to us.

the Qura'n didn't sat that there is any sacrifice and for what?God saved Jesus from death and He'll come back at the end of life in earth. This claimed sacrific is totally illogical.

 

[sojourner]

It's actually inspired by the Book of Judas, part of the apocrypha. I believe this answers to the obvious fact that the Old Testament God was obviously not omnipotent. Nor alone. In the book of Job he bets with satan on whether or not satan can break poor old Job. It explains the "sons" of God that were mating with human women and creating "mighty men of renown. It even explains Thor and Loki and Ares--

Might I suggest some actual exegesis of the texts before you commence to make yourself look foolish?

 

[McBell]

Might I suggest some actual exegesis of the texts before you commence to make yourself look foolish?

Interestingly enough, he did say that it was INSPIRED BY, not "it is in"...
Just saying.

 

[Seeker1]

So have I. What's your point?

I was just answering to the previous post that suggested That I should take a creative writing class. That's all that meant

 

[Seeker1]

The qura'n actually contradicts these phrases, the Qura'n says that God created everything and nobody has power like that God has. I think this appear more logical.

The Qura'n also contadicts this parts as It says that Adam was ordered not to eat from the tree( didn't mention that it was an aplle true) and this was a part of exam and a way to show him that devastating effects the satan will cause if he listen to him but from the beginnig Adam aws created to go down to the earrth and this was only a demonstration for the effect of the satan on his life and his progeny. There is nothing related to knowlegde, simply knowledge is a great thing and God won't punish anybody for havig knowledge but we were all ordered rather to search for true knowledge.
there are no earlire Gods there is only one God and lot didn't offer his daughter for rape, he didn't mean this literally of course. He expressed the word my girls referring to all the women in the city which he considered like his girls not his daughters literally.

the Qura'n didn't sat that there is any sacrifice and for what?God saved Jesus from death and He'll come back at the end of life in earth. This claimed sacrific is totally illogical.

I'm sorry my friend, but I am unfamiliar with the Qura'n. I was under the impression that the first few books of the Christian Bible (old testament)were accepted by all three of the major monotheistic religions. In the Bible I am reading (for instance) not only is the tree of knowledge not identified as an apple, the Serpent is never identified as Satan. There are several verses that seem to ID the serpent as a totally different creature than Satan. I threw the Lot story in as an example of what, I consider, the works of a capricious and cruel being. It's contained within the Book of Genesis starting around 18-18 and running through 19-25, or so. Do you have access to a Bible? am I incorrect in my suppostion that the first part of the Qura'n and the Bible are very similar?? It's the story of Sodom and Gommorah BTW.