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I'd like to debate this...

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Seeker1

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sojourner said:
Might I suggest some actual exegesis of the texts before you commence to make yourself look foolish?
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Wow guy, I had to look up "exegesis" I read a Wikipedia article, kinda linked around on that, and came up with this. Why not? I'm not trying to convince you I found Golden Plates in my backyard. Just something that makes sense to me. But thanks for the advice-- I'm petrified of looking foolish.
 
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Seeker1

Member
Otherright said:
It does not. No Nordic or Greek deity is mentioned in those books.

Since you are into Apocryphal readings, I suggest you read the Book of Enoch. The "Sons" of God that were mating with man, were the watchers, ten specific angels, and you inferred that word.[/quote
Thanks for the suggestion! As I have a lot of posts to answer,I won't do that right now, but I will get back to you. As far as the Greek and Norse mythology thing I' m struck by certain similarities..
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Seeker1

Member
Otherright said:
It does not. No Nordic or Greek deity is mentioned in those books.

Since you are into Apocryphal readings, I suggest you read the Book of Enoch. The "Sons" of God that were mating with man, were the watchers, ten specific angels, and you inferred that word.
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Thanks for the reading suggestions. Yes, I agree as to the Norse and Greek mythology thing--I was reaching, using as justification certain similarities in their power structure.
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Otherright said:
It does not. No Nordic or Greek deity is mentioned in those books.

Since you are into Apocryphal readings, I suggest you read the Book of Enoch. The "Sons" of God that were mating with man, were the watchers, ten specific angels, and you inferred that word.
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Ahem, twenty angels, and they were only the leaders.
 
Riverwolf

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Seeker1 said:
Pick something you hate, and have at it. I guess that's what I'm trying to accomplish here
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Uh... :confused:

I hate... uh... Twilight?

What do you mean? In order to have a debate, you must present an arguable statement. You have not done so.
 
Otherright

Otherright

Otherright
Gjallarhorn said:
Ahem, twenty angels, and they were only the leaders.
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Well, we were both wrong:

"And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it."

There was 200.
 
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Seeker1

Member
Riverwolf said:
Uh... :confused:

I hate... uh... Twilight?

What do you mean? In order to have a debate, you must present an arguable statement. You have not done so.
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1. There are some of the thoughts of the True God found in the New Testament.
2. The "Gods" of the Old Testament were not omnipotent beings. They severely retarded mans development.
3.For the past 2000 years, man's progress--in almost every way-- has been explosive. We do better uninterfered with.

Will that do for starters?
Kurt
 
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Seeker1

Member
Riverwolf said:
Uh... :confused:

I hate... uh... Twilight?

What do you mean? In order to have a debate, you must present an arguable statement. You have not done so.
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I've screwed up this post 5 times, think I got it now, but I Can't type the whole thing again. So for starters: The God(s) of the old testament in the Bible, were at least as much a detriment to man as help. Lets just start there.
 
Riverwolf

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Much better.

Seeker1 said:
1. There are some of the thoughts of the True God found in the New Testament.
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Okay. What about in other Scriptures?

By "some of the thoughts", do you mean the New Testament is completely the words of the True God, or just parts of it? If the latter, I agree. If the former, I disagree.

2. The "Gods" of the Old Testament were not omnipotent beings. They severely retarded mans development.
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Except for the fact that tons of technological and scientific developments were made before Christ.

3.For the past 2000 years, man's progress--in almost every way-- has been explosive.
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Wrong. After the fall of the Roman Empire, there was a severe dark age in Europe which lasted several centuries (historians disagree as to when it officially started and when it officially ended.) During this time, there was a 300 year period where Islamic countries made all kinds of scientific, medical, and technical advancements.

Besides, from what I've seen, the Gods are still around.
 
Gjallarhorn

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
Otherright said:
Well, we were both wrong:

"And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.'. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it."

There was 200.
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Twenty named angel leaders.
 
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Seeker1

Member
Riverwolf said:
Much better.



Okay. What about in other Scriptures?
I've had some reading advice as to Apocrypha. Is that what you mean?

By "some of the thoughts", do you mean the New Testament is completely the words of the True God, or just parts of it? If the latter, I agree. If the former, I disagree.

We Agree

Except for the fact that tons of technological and scientific developments were made before Christ.

Wrong. After the fall of the Roman Empire, there was a severe dark age in Europe which lasted several centuries (historians disagree as to when it officially started and when it officially ended.) During this time, there was a 300 year period where Islamic countries made all kinds of scientific, medical, and technical advancements.
Most scholars prefer the term "early middle ages"
Besides, from what I've seen, the Gods are still around.
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1. The dark ages were not that dark. Modern historians deride the term and prefer "early middle ages--the term refers to events after the fall of the Roman Empire. There were severe plagues, but Man's overall condition continued to improve. Also, the majority of wars and horrors continued (as they still do) because of religion.

2. Various cultures have, at times, advanced farther/faster than others. Sometimes it's the Chinese. Maybe this time it was the Muslims. This supports, rather than refutes my contention.

3. Are you honestly contending that, the pace of Technology before Christ is even comparable to the pace of technology since His death?
 
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