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Identity Politics

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
De-Clintonizing America

The process of erasing Clinton from our Identity (because we are ashamed) – HAS BEGUN!

We found out today, that Arkansas State Sen. Jason Rapert doesn't believe his state's largest airport should be named after Bill and Hillary Clinton any more. He wants to rename it, and that is a great idea.

He said today – “The Clinton’s left Arkansas and do not reside here,” the lawmaker said. “Many in our state do not want the first thing people see and last thing they remember about Arkansas being two of the most scandal-ridden politicians in American history.”

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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
De-Clintonizing America

The process of erasing Clinton from our Identity (because we are ashamed) – HAS BEGUN!

We found out today, that Arkansas State Sen. Jason Rapert doesn't believe his state's largest airport should be named after Bill and Hillary Clinton any more. He wants to rename it, and that is a great idea.

He said today – “The Clinton’s left Arkansas and do not reside here,” the lawmaker said. “Many in our state do not want the first thing people see and last thing they remember about Arkansas being two of the most scandal-ridden politicians in American history.”

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There's a strip joint called, Grab them in the *****. That should be named after Trump since he basically built that brand. Such a good marketeer.

What do you think? Fitting?
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Elaborating....

So it's actually always been "whites vs. Blacks". African Americans politically need, and have always needed, those white Americans who are empathetic to the plight of African Americans,

Sticking strictly to the U.S. (as that would meet with the 'always been whites vs. blacks'), I think it is identity politics that says one particular group needs (or is reliant) on another group for its political life. I think African Americans (AA) politically need to be seen as American first and specific individual identities a distant second. So distant that when it comes to anything that may disparage the individual identity, help would be to get that out of the way. Yet, that type of thing exists for all Americans, obviously some more than others historically. But not void in any group that I'm currently aware of. Perhaps not strong disagreement with your use of empathy, but I think that need not be based on the specific identity rather than the American part. Americans being empathetic toward/with each other, with notable exception of (so called) Americans that are illegally here. Since AA has been freed and are de facto legal Americans, then this is non-issue except in possible individual cases, which again is true for all possible sub-groups. Just saying 'illegals' are the only one to marginalize and for as long as country does exist is reason to not be empathetic without restraint. With AA, if there is something they actually need, it is to not need to rely on WA. Finding commonality and brotherhood in WA, or all Americans is something I'd say is (great) desire, rather than need.

and these two groups stand together, unlike the white Americans who continue their antagonism toward African Americans

I see this currently as a two way street between the two sub-groups, and a two way street within each sub-group's split personality amongst own selves. Meaning some WA are antagonistic toward each other over this particular issue of "how best to serve the AA community." And that in and of itself is not antagonism that goes just one way, but both ways. Then, within AA sub-group, there is similar antagonism among some people. I think overwhelming majority are in vein of - we're all Americans, playing for same team, are like brothers/sisters, and are essentially color blind. But that doesn't get reported on news, so seems super special when experienced in everyday American life. I see it as the norm, even while it is possible to consider it being optimistic, given the antagonism that is promoted in media.

--such as Trump indicated with his various references to African Americans.

I see this as perpetuating the media version of the antagonism. This could be seen as going both ways via other media reports. I don't see Trump as particularly antagonistic toward AA. Toward Latino Americans, I kinda see that. Toward AA, not really. While not 100% sure of sub-group voting numbers in recent elections, I'm under impression that more Latino Americans voted for Trump (therefore support his vision) than AA's that voted for Trump. I think AA's have fallen for idea that only one party is truly looking out for them and therefore in their best interest to always vote for that party. Yet, as noted in this recent election, that same party has held mayorship and common council majorities in many U.S. cities, for several decades, where the plight of inner cities (made up of predominantly AA's) continues to worsen. Which suggests the one party allegiance isn't actually working out well for AA's unless there's a long term strategy that is currently at work and which very few (I'd say no one) are aware of what that strategy is.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Why isn't this it's own thread? Or what does it have to do with OP?

Identity politics is largely driven by the Democratic Party. America is sick of it. America is also sick of the fake news, no news, not reporting real news, coverups, propaganda and identity politics and word smithing of the MSM which was totally exposed in this election cycle.

America wants to clean out the barn of the ilk of the Clinton's and their identity politics. They also see this Democratic identity politics as a clear threat to free speech, exampled in the lies of calling others racist but intended to silence all opposition speech.

America is also tired of being told who will be their "idols" by the state.

De-Clintonization has begun.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Identity politics is largely driven by the Democratic Party.

Everything after this in your post, I don't disagree with, but don't feel it applies to this thread. If you start such a thread (preferably in Conservatives Only part of the forum), I'll be right there contributing to it.
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Elaborating....



Sticking strictly to the U.S. (as that would meet with the 'always been whites vs. blacks'), I think it is identity politics that says one particular group needs (or is reliant) on another group for its political life. I think African Americans (AA) politically need to be seen as American first and specific individual identities a distant second. So distant that when it comes to anything that may disparage the individual identity, help would be to get that out of the way. Yet, that type of thing exists for all Americans, obviously some more than others historically. But not void in any group that I'm currently aware of. Perhaps not strong disagreement with your use of empathy, but I think that need not be based on the specific identity rather than the American part. Americans being empathetic toward/with each other, with notable exception of (so called) Americans that are illegally here. Since AA has been freed and are de facto legal Americans, then this is non-issue except in possible individual cases, which again is true for all possible sub-groups. Just saying 'illegals' are the only one to marginalize and for as long as country does exist is reason to not be empathetic without restraint. With AA, if there is something they actually need, it is to not need to rely on WA. Finding commonality and brotherhood in WA, or all Americans is something I'd say is (great) desire, rather than need.



I see this currently as a two way street between the two sub-groups, and a two way street within each sub-group's split personality amongst own selves. Meaning some WA are antagonistic toward each other over this particular issue of "how best to serve the AA community." And that in and of itself is not antagonism that goes just one way, but both ways. Then, within AA sub-group, there is similar antagonism among some people. I think overwhelming majority are in vein of - we're all Americans, playing for same team, are like brothers/sisters, and are essentially color blind. But that doesn't get reported on news, so seems super special when experienced in everyday American life. I see it as the norm, even while it is possible to consider it being optimistic, given the antagonism that is promoted in media.



I see this as perpetuating the media version of the antagonism. This could be seen as going both ways via other media reports. I don't see Trump as particularly antagonistic toward AA. Toward Latino Americans, I kinda see that. Toward AA, not really. While not 100% sure of sub-group voting numbers in recent elections, I'm under impression that more Latino Americans voted for Trump (therefore support his vision) than AA's that voted for Trump. I think AA's have fallen for idea that only one party is truly looking out for them and therefore in their best interest to always vote for that party. Yet, as noted in this recent election, that same party has held mayorship and common council majorities in many U.S. cities, for several decades, where the plight of inner cities (made up of predominantly AA's) continues to worsen. Which suggests the one party allegiance isn't actually working out well for AA's unless there's a long term strategy that is currently at work and which very few (I'd say no one) are aware of what that strategy is.
Acim, do you these same issues as constituting a problem of, say, "LGBT" vs. "Straight" identity politics?
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Acim, do you these same issues as constituting a problem of, say, "LGBT" vs. "Straight" identity politics?

Yes. Being B, I think the way it is portrayed in media is quite false. As a B, I feel very little in common with L and G, and seemingly the bias against B (from L and G) is under reported, thus the antagonism within own ranks is present. Plus B can relate to Straight, find commonalities, of which there isn't strict reliance for identifying with a group that expresses more bias than straight does against it. Thus even less of a reason to rely on LG community for any political needs. As usual, identity politics just confuses things more than helps whatever is the perceived problem.
 
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