Ietsism

[endlessvoid2018]

This is a pretty interesting concept. Is anybody here familiar with it at all?

Sounds like basically a form of agnosticism, but more focused on an actual belief of something, not a god in the typical sense, but a possible kind of spiritual force in the universe, or something to that degree that something exists beyond our comprehension, but is inherently unknowable.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

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[Jayhawker Soule]

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Rabbi Wiki > Ietsism

"The term ietsism is becoming more widely used in Europe, as opposed to the phrase 'spiritual but not religious' which prevails in North America."​

 

[endlessvoid2018]

Hmm. I do like this definition personally more for someone in my particular circumstance.
I don't necessarily subscribe to the definition of "God," of Abrahamic faiths. So I don't believe in religion in that sense.
However, that would sort of lead me to Deism. But I also don't necessarily believe in that concept either though.
That's where it brings me to the fact that there is essentially
"something," that I believe. Whether it's a god, gods, some kind of deity, higher power or some kind of spiritual force.
I am inclined to believe in some kind of universal spiritual force myself personally, similar to pantheism.
This is why I don't think I can quite call myself an atheist, but as I feel very uncertain and will never know what it is obviously.

 

[dybmh]

the definition of "God," of Abrahamic faiths.

The word used in my community:

אײבערשטער aybishter, yiddish, = the uppermost. In english I notice Christians use the phrase "The-Most-High".

That's where it brings me to the fact that there is essentially...

In my community we would say: "That brings you to ... a higher "madrega".

Aibishter - Jewish English Lexicon

jel.jewish-languages.org

madrega - Jewish English Lexicon

jel.jewish-languages.org

 

[osgart]

This is a pretty interesting concept. Is anybody here familiar with it at all?

Sounds like basically a form of agnosticism, but more focused on an actual belief of something, not a god in the typical sense, but a possible kind of spiritual force in the universe, or something to that degree that something exists beyond our comprehension, but is inherently unknowable.

Wow, a term that fits what I believe in!

This reality/force has knowable qualities but nowhere near as knowable as all religions claim, and certainly not baseless in that it can't be known at all.

As a conscious being I can recognize my natural self, will, mind, heart as soul. I can recognize character qualities of being that reside within the capacity of heartfelt existence. I can see that intellect had a hand in forming living creatures. I can surmise that existence is infinite in all directions. I can deduce that an unconditioned eternal foundational reality must exist beyond the knowable universe. I can observe the discovery of mathematical truths, language truth, conceptual truth, the virtues, contrary vices, logic, etc.. Science adds wonder to the cosmic purposes that exist. But beyond that we are talking about speculative religion, or assumed truth without actually knowing what we are dealing with.

As far as a design, or a creation caused by a creator that seems extremely less likely. And an ideal Omni God is something I can definitely rule out due to the brutal nature of life on Earth.

Perhaps we have a platonic realm of infinite possibilities bound to the limits of physical actuality. The existence of AI is evidence that intelligence can exist without being alive.

Who knows what else is out there!

 

[Quintessence]

Sounds like god in the typical sense outside of (or even at times inside of) classical monotheist religions, honestly. It's interesting how so much reaction is against classical monotheist religions and then forgetting that other religions and theologies have been a thing and are a thing.