If a faith were proven..

[idea]

Ahh, the proof- it is before our very eyes yet some choose not to see it

some say we can't see atoms... others say everything we see are atoms...

 

[Alwayslearning]

some say we can't see atoms... others say everything we see are atoms...

What are you saying ? Please elaborate ?

 

[where am I]

If God were an undeniable authority human life would become obedient out of regard for themselves, and any reason for life would be meaningless. There is plenty of convincing evidence already but there is also the freedom to deny it, I believe that is the relevence of rational thought. Every person free enough to choose always begins agnostic and common people choose a life of preferrence, it is acountablity that moves a person to grow up, and become religious.

 

[Adramelek]

Regardless of what faith you are and what you believe in, imagine for a second.

Consider if these points were what was PROVEN real today:

• There was a God
• He was the only God
• There was scientific proof of this
• There was a judgement day
• There was punishment for those who disobeyed

As a loyal Setian and Left-Hand Path practicioner, I would never follow or worship such a discusting god as this. I would rather burn in torment for ever in a lake of fire and brimstone knowing that I was true to my Self, rather than subjugate my Self to the will of such a tyrant god. Oh yeah, you better believe it...:yes:
Xeper!
/Adramelek\

 

[Father Heathen]

Maybe this is a stupid question but do you think God is evil because he would be sending you to hell ?

Hell is a sadistic, unjust concept. Only an extreme evil could torture someone for eternity.

And if hell is a place where people sharing the same ideas and are in agreement spend time together what is so bad about it ?

It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the burning in agony for all time.

Also what do you think of law? Should people go to jail ?

Yes. But laws should be fair and just, and the punishment should be proportionate to the crime. Religious laws, however, are nonsensical and excessive.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I'm a pragmatist. Faith never factors into this perspective.

 

[Alwayslearning]

Hell is a sadistic, unjust concept. Only an extreme evil could torture someone for eternity.

It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the burning in agony for all time.




Yes. But laws should be fair and just, and the punishment should be proportionate to the crime. Religious laws, however, are nonsensical and excessive.

Yes I agree laws should be fair and just. But what I seem to notice is that the person who has done the crime never seems to view the punishment proportionate to the crime. Whether it is a speeding ticket or a murder charge the perpetrator almost always attempts to appeal the consequence or disagrees with it. If everyone always agreed with the laws I doubt there would be so many criminal defense lawyers. I think people just don't like punishment no matter what it is for.

 

[ChristineES]

I am going to reiterate what others have already said: if it were proven, it wouldn't be a faith anymore.

 

[tumbleweed41]

• There was a judgement day
• There was punishment for those who disobeyed

These two points would prove a God I would refuse to worship.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yes I agree laws should be fair and just. But what I seem to notice is that the person who has done the crime never seems to view the punishment proportionate to the crime. Whether it is a speeding ticket or a murder charge the perpetrator almost always attempts to appeal the consequence or disagrees with it. If everyone always agreed with the laws I doubt there would be so many criminal defense lawyers. I think people just don't like punishment no matter what it is for.

Uh, no. There is a HUGE difference between laws that are sensible, fair and just and those that are absurd, abusive and oppressive. All it takes is using reason and ones conscience to differentiate between the two. It involves taking into account why something is considered a crime, and how the punishment is proportionate to that crime.

 

[idav]

I think people just don't like punishment no matter what it is for.

People will try and avoid punishment naturally but people also feel guilty feeling they deserve some sort of punishment even when they didn't intentionally do something. We sometimes even feel guilty for deaths we weren't really involved with, people like to blame themselves for things out of our control.

 

[ellenjanuary]

Regardless of what faith you are and what you believe in, imagine for a second.

Consider if these points were what was PROVEN real today:

• There was a God
• He was the only God
• There was scientific proof of this

Not quite He, but...

• There was a judgement day
• There was punishment for those who disobeyed

Now, if this were the case, do you think people would leave their faith for this one? Would you leave yours? Or if you had no faith, would you then become religious and believe in this one?
Do you think people who had differing ideas to this faith, regarding for example.. homosexuality, euthanasia, drugs, murder etc... would they reject this God because of this differing opinion? Regardless of the proof of punishment afterwards?

What other issues do you think would arise?

(also sorry I had this whole thing typed out in more detail and better explained but my computer 'finished installing updates', and I stupidly clicked "Restart Now" without thinking, and therefore had to start AGAIN.)

I'm not obsessed with judgment. Stagnation gets rocked...

 

[Storm]

Regardless of what faith you are and what you believe in, imagine for a second.

Consider if these points were what was PROVEN real today:

• There was a God
• He was the only God
• There was scientific proof of this
• There was a judgement day
• There was punishment for those who disobeyed

Now, if this were the case, do you think people would leave their faith for this one? Would you leave yours? Or if you had no faith, would you then become religious and believe in this one?

It would depend on the God in question, but probably not, based on the last condition. I don't cower to abusers.

 

[Storm]

As others have pointed out, if it was proven it wuldn't be a faith anymore,

Depends on one's definition of faith. I'm as sure of God as I am of rocks. It's proven as far as I'm concerned. I still have faith, though, because to me the primary meaning is profound trust.

 

[bain-druie]

Regardless of what faith you are and what you believe in, imagine for a second.

Consider if these points were what was PROVEN real today:

• There was a God
• He was the only God
• There was scientific proof of this
• There was a judgement day
• There was punishment for those who disobeyed

Now, if this were the case, do you think people would leave their faith for this one? Would you leave yours? Or if you had no faith, would you then become religious and believe in this one?
Do you think people who had differing ideas to this faith, regarding for example.. homosexuality, euthanasia, drugs, murder etc... would they reject this God because of this differing opinion? Regardless of the proof of punishment afterwards?

What other issues do you think would arise?

(also sorry I had this whole thing typed out in more detail and better explained but my computer 'finished installing updates', and I stupidly clicked "Restart Now" without thinking, and therefore had to start AGAIN.)

I honestly can't be sure what I might do in such a case; but I would like to think that I have learned it is not worth it to appease a bully by submitting out of fear; any god who set up a judgment day for all the people who did not obey his whims or worship him exactly the way he demanded is, by definition, just a bully with superpowers. I hope I would have the courage to choose not to submit to someone I would see as cosmically evil and unfit to rule the universe, since he cannot rule himself.