If America was an Atheist Country

[tarasan]

Uh? It is not possible for us Atheists to know what our own majority believes in?

Really?

You're of course free to suspect us of a favorable bias. But claiming that we can't even guess at our own beliefs and behaviors is a bit too extreme for your own good, don't you think?

no really arnt I thought the general consenses is that the only thing that unites you all is your lack of beleif in God.

if that was the case then you guys could believe anything under the Sun so you would have no way to guess, at least with me there are certian trends, in my religion, but you guys have no distinct "beliefs" to develop trends from.

unless i was misinformed and your all some kind of group now.

 

[dogsgod]

It always amazes me that Christians haven't read the blueprint for ruling communism by fear and intimidation found within their own New Testament.

 

[LuisDantas]

no really arnt I thought the general consenses is that the only thing that unites you all is your lack of beleif in God.

You're reading too much into that. We are varied, but we are not completely random and inescrutable.

It is quite possible to infer how most of us would act under certain circunstances, and we may legitimally do so in good faith.

if that was the case then you guys could believe anything under the Sun so you would have no way to guess, at least with me there are certian trends, in my religion, but you guys have no distinct "beliefs" to develop trends from.

We do not need religious beliefs to collectivelly form recognizable, understandable patterns of thought and behavior, however.

Specifically, we are quite entitled to claim that most atheists have no interest in religiously-motivated wars. We are, after all, atheists.

unless i was misinformed and your all some kind of group now.

See above.

 

[tarasan]

You're reading too much into that. We are varied, but we are not completely random and inescrutable.

It is quite possible to infer how most of us would act under certain circunstances, and we may legitimally do so in good faith.



We do not need religious beliefs to collectivelly form recognizable, understandable patterns of thought and behavior, however.



See above.

very well i withdraw my statement i was missinformed, and misinterpreted I apologise.

 

[LuisDantas]

It's all right

 

[tarasan]

It begins at Acts 4:32. Read thru to Acts 5: 11Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

yeah i read through the two people lied and they died because they to God and not to the apostles, again i dont see how this is communism especially because you still havnt proven to me that this was a one time thing, and because aagin they werent forced to God just didnt want them to lie, not to much too much to ask was it?

so you havnt proved
1) they were forced
2) this was more than a one time deal
3) the fear was used to keep them in this communistic thing, rather to get them not to lie, which was the crime commited.

 

[tarasan]

No it isn't. All Atheist is is not have a belief in God/gods. It has nothing to do with religions. Because there are Atheistic religions.

read later i adapted my stance.

 

[Azakel]

read later i adapted my stance.

I saw that's way I delete my post, but sometimes things need to be said more then once. Maybe not for you but for other that might not understand it, plus I thought it might get some people to think if an Theist said the same thing 3 Atheist did ^_^

 

[tarasan]

I saw that's way I delete my post, but sometimes things need to be said more then once. Maybe not for you but for other that might not understand it, plus I thought it might get some people to think if an Theist said the same thing 3 Atheist did ^_^

well if thats the reason I see no reason why it cant be repeated.

I try to admit things when its obvious i made a blunder though, i find it quells the aroggant Irishman in me

 

[dogsgod]

yeah i read through the two people lied and they died because they to God and not to the apostles, again i dont see how this is communism especially because you still havnt proven to me that this was a one time thing, and because aagin they werent forced to God just didnt want them to lie, not to much too much to ask was it?

so you havnt proved
1) they were forced
2) this was more than a one time deal
3) the fear was used to keep them in this communistic thing, rather to get them not to lie, which was the crime commited.

"Yes your Honor, I was alone in the room with them when they admitted their guilt to me your Honor, but it was not I that killed them, it was God, yeah that's it, it was God, He struck them dead for lying your Honor. It wasn't me, I'm just trying to run this communist system as best I can your Honor, honest."

 

[tarasan]

"Yes your Honor, I was alone in the room with them when they admitted their guilt to me your Honor, but it was not I that killed them, it was God, yeah that's it, it was God, He struck them dead for lying your Honor. It wasn't me, I'm just trying to run this communist system as best I can your Honor, honest."

lol if we take the bible as true i see no reason as to why we couldnt say God did it, i mean it wasnt like he didnt do stuff like this earlier.

i could say that in my case your special pleading as i have to assume that my God doesnt exist for your premise to make sense, so in my view it makes no sense.

so the conclusion if my God exists it was justice, if not it was communism, so if i ever become an athiests ill be sure to adopt your approach.

 

[dogsgod]

lol if we take the bible as true i see no reason as to why we couldnt say God did it, i mean it wasnt like he didnt do stuff like this earlier.

i could say that in my case your special pleading as i have to assume that my God doesnt exist for your premise to make sense, so in my view it makes no sense.

so the conclusion if my God exists it was justice, if not it was communism, so if i ever become an athiests ill be sure to adopt your approach.

I see, so as long as it's the church that runs communism it's all peaches and cream when those that don't abide by the rules are struck dead as an example to others that might get the same ideas because, I mean after all, these people were lying to God and the punishment for lying to God is justifiably death. So much better and justifiable than when communism is run by heathen members of state.

 

[painted wolf]

Considering my religion was illegal in the USA until the late 1970's and parts of my faith are still illegal... I don't see religious America having a much better track record. :sarcastic

wa:do

 

[tarasan]

I see, so as long as it's the church that runs communism it's all peaches and cream when those that don't abide by the rules are struck dead as an example to others that might get the same ideas because, I mean after all, these people were lying to God and the punishment for lying to God is justifiably death. So much better and justifiable than when communism is run by heathen members of state.

again you cant prove it was communism, and it was not abiding by communism that got them killed, so really communism isnt the issue here is wether God was right to kill them for lying, which it is, your communism has no grounds Im afriad trying to make God sound like a monster with your communism statement tacked onto the end wont help you.

 

[Tristesse]

I'm sorry I just had to ask it, LOL. If America was an Atheist country would the government punish people for being religious like Communist Russia did? Like China still does?

No, there is nothing about atheism that entails you to take any action, good, bad or indifferent. What you're talking about is anti-theism. So, maybe you might want to rephrase your question.

 

[dogsgod]

No, there is nothing about atheism that entails you to take any action, good, bad or indifferent. What you're talking about is anti-theism. So, maybe you might want to rephrase your question.

What he was talking about was state run communism, although church run would be just as bad or worse because only one religion would be acceptable, that of its leader.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I really doubt we would punish people for being religious, given the whole freedom of religion thing.
But if America was officially an atheist nation, or even if just the secular part was embraced, I have no doubts we would be much better off.

 

[dogsgod]

again you cant prove it was communism, and it was not abiding by communism that got them killed, so really communism isnt the issue here is wether God was right to kill them for lying, which it is, your communism has no grounds Im afriad trying to make God sound like a monster with your communism statement tacked onto the end wont help you.

I can prove it was communism. Read Acts, it was communism. They were killed for holding back funds for themselves, for not abiding by the communist rules set down by Peter and his so called God. It was communism. Lying to God was merely an excuse to kill them, as if it was God himself that endorsed their communist rules that they themselves made up. Lying to a communist God or lying to a communist state about holding back funds gets one killed.

Acts5 1Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.

3Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God." 5When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.


Communist rule by fear and intimidation is cruel whether run by the church or run by the state, it makes no difference, it's cruel and barbaric.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I'm sorry I just had to ask it, LOL. If America was an Atheist country would the government punish people for being religious like Communist Russia did? Like China still does?

Communist Russia did not punish people for being religious; they punished them for publicly practicing religion to enforce separation of church and state. Not saying it was the right way to go about it, but they weren't telling people they couldn't practice religion in their own homes.

 

[linwood]

perhaps my statement was a bit strong but saying there is no God isnt exaclty neutral is it? neutral would be more agnostic as in "you cant know" which is exactly what secualrism is like in my opinion, its tolerance no leaning one way or the other,

Actually you have it exactly backward.

Atheism simply denies god exists...period.
You can be an atheist and still be "religious".
Atheism isn`t anti-religion anti-theism is.

Secularism directly confronts and denies any and all religious expression in the public square from the powers that be.
It is directly anti-religion from a governmental POV.