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If Creationism is True Then Why Say It Was Jehovah?

rusra02

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Premium Member
If creationism was true then why assume it was Jehovah?

It could have been that males where created by the Titan Προμηθεύς (Prometheus) and the Goddess Ἀθηνᾶ (Athena) while the females where made by Δίας (Zeus).

It could have been aliens.

It could have been that the Primordial Deities, Titans, Gods, and Ocean Gods are all aliens for all we know.

Why assume that it was Jehovah?
No need to assume. Jehovah has proved his Godship by foretelling the future and bringing to reality what he foretells. This is something Jehovah challenges the false gods to do. (Isaiah 46:9,10 and 43:9-12) Jehovah has acted throughout history to bring his purposes to reality and continues to have millions of people all over the world serving him. All the false gods are mere nothings and unrealities, and largely relegated to the dustbin of history. Isaiah 31:7 calls such "gods" valueless and worthless.
 

Iereas tou Apollona

Ιερέας του Απόλλωνα Priest of Apollo
No need to assume. Jehovah has proved his Godship by foretelling the future and bringing to reality what he foretells. This is something Jehovah challenges the false gods to do. (Isaiah 46:9,10 and 43:9-12) Jehovah has acted throughout history to bring his purposes to reality and continues to have millions of people all over the world serving him. All the false gods are mere nothings and unrealities, and largely relegated to the dustbin of history. Isaiah 31:7 calls such "gods" valueless and worthless.

Tiresias made many prophecies that where fulfilled and he was just one prophet.

The Gods have made countless works upon humanity in their various forms.

They serve him because they want a good afterlife without earning it.

I do not care what Isaiah says, at least Ζεύς (Zeus) is not an omnipotent hypocrite.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
No need to assume. Jehovah has proved his Godship by foretelling the future and bringing to reality what he foretells. This is something Jehovah challenges the false gods to do. (Isaiah 46:9,10 and 43:9-12) Jehovah has acted throughout history to bring his purposes to reality and continues to have millions of people all over the world serving him. All the false gods are mere nothings and unrealities, and largely relegated to the dustbin of history. Isaiah 31:7 calls such "gods" valueless and worthless.
So exactly what prophecies did god make that have come true. And we're not interested in generic stuff that anyone could obviously make, such as "there will be wars and suffering to come," or "People will be divided against each other."
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So exactly what prophecies did god make that have come true. And we're not interested in generic stuff that anyone could obviously make, such as "there will be wars and suffering to come," or "People will be divided against each other."
For just one example, Isaiah 44:26-45:5 names the man who would cause Jerusalem to be rebuilt long before he was born, and long before Jerusalem was destroyed and needed to be rebuilt.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
For just one example, Isaiah 44:26-45:5 names the man who would cause Jerusalem to be rebuilt long before he was born, and long before Jerusalem was destroyed and needed to be rebuilt.
Unfortunately, a lot of what is said in Isaiah was added after Cyrus was long dead, leaving ample time in which to present god as a prophet of Jerusalem's rebuilding.

"The Book of Isaiah may not have been put into its present form until as late as 350 B.C., or well over three centuries after Isaiah's death." [And 180 years after the death of Cyrus]
Source: Asimov, Isaac. Asimov's Guide to the Bible: Old testament. New York; Avon Books.1968,524

"In 536 B.C., [Cyrus] allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem, but Cyrus died in 530 B.C.,"
source
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Unfortunately, a lot of what is said in Isaiah was added after Cyrus was long dead, leaving ample time in which to present god as a prophet of Jerusalem's rebuilding.

"The Book of Isaiah may not have been put into its present form until as late as 350 B.C., or well over three centuries after Isaiah's death." [And 180 years after the death of Cyrus]
Source: Asimov, Isaac. Asimov's Guide to the Bible: Old testament. New York; Avon Books.1968,524

"In 536 B.C., [Cyrus] allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem, but Cyrus died in 530 B.C.,"
source
Yes, a common ploy to discredit fulfillment of Bible prophecy is to claim the writer disguised history as prophecy. I wonder how they explain Daniel's prophecy foretelling the exact year the Messiah would appear, clearly written centuries before the events prophesied. ( Daniel 9:25)
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
More like, why wouldn't I? I'm still waiting for someone to answer that one. Uh....., because it's the G-d I adhere to?
 

jerryhgratteau

New Member
Why people why do you doubt that we have evolved? Does it not say in the bible "you made man stand up" super evolution via the knowledge of angles that were cast into a vessel that is mortal after the first and only sin was committed the sin of wanting to be like GOD to choose for our selves instead of accepting that all choices that we make are GOD's choices for us.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
He is the one responsible for the Holy Scriptures.He is the one everyone tries to disprove.He is on the minds of many.

Nada,
I have been an atheist for many years. However I just noticed what you listed as your religion. I guess I wasn't an atheist after all. I worship at the grill on a regular basis.
 
Nada,
I have been an atheist for many years. However I just noticed what you listed as your religion. I guess I wasn't an atheist after all. I worship at the grill on a regular basis.

Yes,it seems we just might have something in common.Here is my alter.

Rib Eye Steak & Shrimp on Grill by Nada posted Aug 13, 2015


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Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Sure. And the idea of a creator, and many other ideas, came from multiple religions and philosophies existing before Christianity. But the question in the thread was more about why we assume in our society that a creator is the Judeo-Christian God (Jehovah, YHWH, etc), and it's historical. It's the religion that is the undercurrent of our society and culture in the west.

Yeas, it is really that simple. By and large, children are indoctrinated with the religion prevalent in their society. Of course it is fine-tuned by family preferences as to which particular version of that god they believe in.
 
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