If Devout Jews rule Israel: Should Shabbath breakers be killed?

[leibowde84]

No sir.


What they Hellenist have reported in the NT is nothing like what Jesus would have practiced or said.

Christianity was the divorce of Hellenistic Judaism from cultural Judaism, that had nothing to do with what jesus taught.

It had everything to do with the martyrdom after his death, and the growing theology surrounding the martyrdom

Fair enough. But, we are discussing a specific passage attributed to Jesus. I'm not arguing for its validity. I'm arguing for it being contradictory to other passages attributed to Jesus.

 

[outhouse]

Fair enough. But, we are discussing a specific passage attributed to Jesus. I'm not arguing for its validity. I'm arguing for it being contradictory to other passages attributed to Jesus.

Fair enough good sir.

 

[leibowde84]

Your both off the rails so to speak both speaking of different apologetic rhetoric that has nothing to do with what really happened.

We aren't talking about what really happened. We are talking about a specific biblical passage and whether it makes sense with the other biblical passages. THat's all.

 

[outhouse]

We aren't talking about what really happened. We are talking about a specific biblical passage and whether it makes sense with the other biblical passages. THat's all.

It looked like no end in sight lol my mistake

 

[Intojoy]

No

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Jesus took away the requirement to follow such stringent laws because he, himself, became the example to follow. Before he came the law was designed to provide a construct of how to live under God. But, Jesus explicitly stated that people come first and the law comes second. Live for each other, not for the law. The law was a tool designed to help us, not to hinder us from helping our fellow man. People come first ... the law (and God, imho) come second.

This is the philosophy of modern laws
It is close to the definition of the law in general

 

[Akivah]

Obviously, that's not the way Jesus supposedly saw it, as he certainly saw himself as knowing better than those who came before him.

In any case, the proof is in the pudding. G-d gave Laws to the Jews. The people that follow your guy don't follow those Laws. Whether or not that dude specifically said that Laws were abolished, his followers don't adhere to those Laws. So basing their beliefs on his alleged teachings, they've abolished the Laws for themselves.

 

[atpollard]

The Sabbath-Breaker Put to Death
32 While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. 33 Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, 34 and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him.35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” 36 So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lordcommanded Moses.

And Apostates? The Scripture(Torah, i avoid that insultive word "OT") tells us to behead/execute apostates.

Only if G_d himself rules directly, establishing his presence in the Tabernacle or Temple.
In for a penny, in for a pound.

Then if G_d PERSONALLY orders you not to do something on Saturday, what sort of fool is going to test His resolve?