If God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost are a trinity.Who is more powerful?

[metis]

murderer Constantine 'decreed Sunday to be sabbath for christians as it was the day Rome worshipped the sun god on sun day '

Use your head: why would the Church copy what the secular Romans did who persecuted the Church??? I told you the sequence that led to Sunday being the primary day or worship, but you prefer to believe in some fairly tail.

BTW, Constantine never committed "murder" as that's a legal term that involves breaking the law.

get your head out the sand mate

I'm not your "mate", plus some of us have studied Christian theology and even taught it.

.friday is the true sabbath. the day Adam was born and the day of judgement .

There is virtually no way to know when "Adam" was born, so you're either just inventing more nonsense or parroting some ridiculous source.

BTW, many of us do tend to believe that the Creation and Fall narratives were not history and are more likely to be allegorical.

judaism starts sabbath Friday sundown. muslims all day Friday

Tell me something I didn't already know.

 

[stanberger]

Use your head: why would the Church copy what the secular Romans did who persecuted the Church??? I told you the sequence that led to Sunday being the primary day or worship, but you prefer to believe in some fairly tail.

BTW, Constantine never committed "murder" as that's a legal term that involves breaking the law.

I'm not your "mate", plus some of us have studied Christian theology and even taught it.

There is virtually no way to know when "Adam" was born, so you're either just inventing more nonsense or parroting some ridiculous source.

BTW, many of us do tend to believe that the Creation and Fall narratives were not history and are more likely to be allegorical.

Tell me something I didn't already know.

sorry mate gotta go with church history. vol 1 Constantine decreed sun. day the sabbath for christians as he wanted to unite his kingdom around one belief system so added in roman paganism into the church along with cannibalism ' eat flesh drink blood of Jesus ' oy vey

 

[metis]

sorry mate gotta go with church history. vol 1 Constantine decreed sun. day the sabbath for christians as he wanted to unite his kingdom around one belief system so added in roman paganism into the church along with cannibalism ' eat flesh drink blood of Jesus ' oy vey

It's a shame that you have stooped so heavily into religious bigotry, especially since Islam has suffered so much of it as well here in the States and elsewhere.

Also, you make ridiculous accusations, so maybe try and post your sources instead of just spouting garbage on and on.

 

[mangalavara]

If God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost are a trinity.Who is more powerful?

The orthodox Trinitarian view is that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three Persons who are one almighty just as they are one eternal being or ousia.

 

[stanberger]

It's a shame that you have stooped so heavily into religious bigotry, especially since Islam has suffered so much of it as well here in the States and elsewhere.

Also, you make ridiculous accusations, so maybe try and post your sources instead of just spouting garbage on and on.

its very easy to google ' why christians worship on sun day ' all the responses point to murderer Constantine but I'm sure you already knew that

 

[metis]

its very easy to google ' why christians worship on sun day ' all the responses point to murderer Constantine but I'm sure you already knew that

The implication that I got from your original statement was that we and/or Constantine worship the sun or some sort of sun-god, which of course is not true. Again, it has to do with the "Agape Meal", which was held on Sunday, and Shabbat [Friday sundown to Saturday sundown] was being the primary day of communal worship.

Here: The Origins of Sunday Worship in the Early Church - GCI Archive

 

[stanberger]

The implication that I got from your original statement was that we and/or Constantine worship the sun or some sort of sun-god, which of course is not true. Again, it has to do with the "Agape Meal", which was held on Sunday, and Shabbat [Friday sundown to Saturday sundown] was being the primary day of communal worship.

Here: The Origins of Sunday Worship in the Early Church - GCI Archive

yes Friday is the true holy day. the day jews/jesus began shabbat and the day muslims worship ...sun day has always been the day Rome worshipped the sun god. on sun day

 

[metis]

yes Friday is the true holy day. the day jews/jesus began shabbat

Actually more hours are on Saturday than Friday during Shabbat.

sun day has always been the day Rome worshipped the sun god.

Only non-Christian and non-Jewish Romans, and undoubtedly some whom were secular.

 

[stanberger]

Actually more hours are on Saturday than Friday during Shabbat.

Only non-Christian and non-Jewish Romans, and undoubtedly some whom were secular.

' more hours are on Saturday than Friday'. omg...literal gymnastics from the disbelievers is spotlighted here

 

[metis]

' more hours are on Saturday than Friday'. omg...literal gymnastics from the disbelievers is spotlighted here

And you have shown that you have nothing to add that's honest, so this will be our last conversation.

 

[stanberger]

And you have shown that you have nothing to add that's honest, so this will be our last conversation.

ok. good debate mate. sure we all sometimes hit below the belt. but its all in fun and no-one means any harm. I hope you at least learned something from our exchange. go in peace mate

 

[Five Solas]

If God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost are a trinity.Who is more powerful?

Anyone who speaks about the Trinity lightly is on thin ice - our human understanding is limited.

God revealed Himself as three persons and our comprehension of that is lacking. The Church Father, Tertullian was defending the traditional doctrine of the Trinity. He said that the true doctrine of the Trinity is more than likely to confuse many Christians and that often seems to be the case.

He argues that it has to do with how God acts at different times. God the Father has a will encompassing all of Creation and Redemption, God the Son accomplished that will, and God the Holy Spirit applies the work of the Son according to the will of the Father to believers.

It points to the different things God does. He said: "...it must therefore be by the works that the Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father; and so it is by the works that we understand that the Father is one with the Son.

 

[Five Solas]

Father has the Will. So, Father is the most powerful. Jesus and the HS simply follow Father.

God the Father is God.
God the Son is God.
God the Holy Spirit is God.
There is only one God.

 

[Viker]

The Trinity operates like my pantheon. No one actor has more authority or power over the rest. Otherwise, there could spring resistance (i.e. democratic). I'm not sure a Trinity is what was ever intended in the first place.

 

[paradox]

If God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost are a trinity.Who is more powerful?

There is only one God.
Therefore what you're asking is: "Is God more powerful than itself"

Trinity doesn't mean 3 Gods but one and same God revealed trough 3 personas.
These personas are not contradictory to each other because they're all one and same God.

For example, You are you, there is no second you, but you make your appearance in 3 different ways:
1. first time as a member on forums
2. second time we meet in real life
3. 3rd time you send someone else to represent your interests.

You appeared in 3 different ways but that doesn't mean your forum account can defeat your representative or vice versa, there is only one you and you don't go against yourself.

Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste and house will fall against house.

Luke 11:17

 

[Five Solas]

Notice when Jesus died he gave up the "ghost" not his Holy Ghost.

John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Mark 1:8
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost."
Jesus commanded all nations be water baptized for remission of sin.
The difference between John (that had the mission to teach baptism and preform baptisms to teach people to reject belief in blood sacrifices for remission of sin and accept merciful water instead), and Jesus is Jesus as prophet had information from God to teach lessons about what will happen in the future if he is not believed. It is understanding of the messages Jesus teaches, knowledge from God that enables one to speak as a disciple of Jesus that gives one Holy Ghost. Holy Ghost is comprehension of the words of God that Jesus taught that leads to resurrection. Ghost is your physical body and Jesus gave up his physical body in death. Jesus retained his Holy Ghost, connection with God with understanding, obedience and having faith in His words that enabled his resurrection.

Interesting ideas. What do you base this interpretation on?

The word used is pneuma which is mostly translated by spirit and also ghost but could sometimes mean breath or even life - the spirit which gives life. Pneuma could sometimes translate as a life-giving spirit.

According to 1Thes 5:23, pneuma/spirit is the rational part of man, the power of perceiving and grasping divine and eternal things, and upon which the Spirit of God exerts its influence.

In 1 Tim 3:16 it denotes the spiritual nature of Christ - who is higher than the highest angels, close to God, and intimately united to him. So it indicates the divine nature of Christ.

The Holy Spirit implies the full majesty and purity of Christ that is utterly opposed to all impurity again pointing to the divine nature of Christ.

 

[TreeOfLife]

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According to some of the Christian doctrine, they are all considered ONE. Which makes no sense. Because God is supposed to be supreme yet Jesus is a man who is not considered God and then God dies yet God isn't supposed to die, then the Holy Spirit is connected as the third party which is "supposed" to speak to them yet no one can prove it because it is a spirit yet being saved is the only way that you can experience it, yet many do so many sins it really disputes that point.

It's a bunch of "really's"

In the Quran Allah says,

“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).’ But there is no llaah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilaah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them”
al-Maa’idah 5:73

What happened a to the other 7 spirits of God. Rev 3.1 how did the get short changed. Maybe God is in 10 part