If God is an atheist, then you should be one too.

[Orias]

I don't believe in monotheism. I believe there are many Gods as there are individuals and each person is related to their own sacred energy whether they regard it as such or not.

But let's say for instance there is one true God. And this God says, there is no others before me. This God believes there are no other Gods, and it reveres itself as divine. Not only is this God an atheist, it's also an autotheist.

I like to use the term "I am" to represent how even Jesus was saying, be like me, so you can save yourself. Save yourself from what? There are thousands of beliefs, none of them stop death.

It's human to emulate divinity and project our emotions and fears into some immortal desire that understands everything. If you're familiar with the epic of Gilgamesh, even language was summarized to represent the immortalization of humans. Speaking of the Sumerians, what a strange group eh? I find the claim that modern religion claims roots to the diverse polytheistic world that came before it to be silly considering the holy lands have never been unified under a single banner or cause.

Anyways, monotheists and atheists are both outnumbered by polytheists and animists. I don't think there is any "true monotheism" that doesn't use the duality of "good and evil", because even if Satan isn't a God it's definitely the anti equivalent to God which causes the power struggle which actually empowers each other, perhaps there is a lesson in gaining power by giving power out.

Side note, interesting how religious ideas changed with the development of agriculture. That's also when we became more warlike and competitive. I'm sure there is a piece of scripture we can connect this too? With agriculture we became more numerous and started to become more violent. Something about a fruit me thinks. This one God put it there so you could become more like it. Why else would it do such a thing as to put an incredibly potent device within reach of our forebears? Because it would empower not only us, but the one who craves our affection and worship, this God that is one, but few will admit its really themselves.

 

[74x12]

I don't believe in monotheism. I believe there are many Gods as there are individuals and each person is related to their own sacred energy whether they regard it as such or not.

But let's say for instance there is one true God. And this God says, there is no others before me. This God believes there are no other Gods, and it reveres itself as divine. Not only is this God an atheist, it's also an autotheist.

I like to use the term "I am" to represent how even Jesus was saying, be like me, so you can save yourself. Save yourself from what? There are thousands of beliefs, none of them stop death.

It's human to emulate divinity and project our emotions and fears into some immortal desire that understands everything. If you're familiar with the epic of Gilgamesh, even language was summarized to represent the immortalization of humans. Speaking of the Sumerians, what a strange group eh? I find the claim that modern religion claims roots to the diverse polytheistic world that came before it to be silly considering the holy lands have never been unified under a single banner or cause.

Anyways, monotheists and atheists are both outnumbered by polytheists and animists. I don't think there is any "true monotheism" that doesn't use the duality of "good and evil", because even if Satan isn't a God it's definitely the anti equivalent to God which causes the power struggle which actually empowers each other, perhaps there is a lesson in gaining power by giving power out.

Side note, interesting how religious ideas changed with the development of agriculture. That's also when we became more warlike and competitive. I'm sure there is a piece of scripture we can connect this too? With agriculture we became more numerous and started to become more violent. Something about a fruit me thinks. This one God put it there so you could become more like it. Why else would it do such a thing as to put an incredibly potent device within reach of our forebears? Because it would empower not only us, but the one who craves our affection and worship, this God that is one, but few will admit its really themselves.

If you're the real God then you're more constant and fixed than the laws of physics for example. You're beyond everything. An unquenchable fire always burning deeper than and beyond all things. So of course it's right for such a God to say He is the only One. Who can possibly hope to compare? Reality and the universe itself is only a dream or a shadow to this type of God. Going against Him is like going against physics and expecting to succeed. Like Wile E Coyote running off a cliff and thinking he can run in the air. So, being a servant of God is logical and not being a servant of God is insanity.

As for angels, yes they are called "elohim" in the scriptures. Satan a fallen angel is a "god" but only for people who rebel against the most High God. And satan isn't going to be able to save anyone; so what's the point of being his little slave?

 

[Desert Snake]

Not how atheism and theism are defined.

 

[Desert Snake]

Academically they already call Scripture that I hold to be true, 'polytheism', just read the notes on the 'bible sites'.


So, there is a subjectivity, here. "Polytheism" is a word that is just to describe something, itself, not that something.

 

[Desert Snake]

Agnostic occult tends to turn into 'theistic satanism', the occult that isn't theistic, is really just a step towards theistic satanism.

So, occult ideas, in forms that one associates themself with, are not necessarily the outcome, themselves.

Is there some form of occult self deification? Sure, however just as theoretical as anything. Where someone really embraces that occult, is by direct theistic satanism, or such. Note how most music etc is actually, "occult", yet probably is still associated with theistic satanism, if one just follows the genres.

Not always, obviously, hence 'direct satanism' no occult required, type thing, however just note prevalence.

Hope that was clear enough.

 

[shunyadragon]

In terms of greater God than God God is an atheist.

 

[ManSinha]

I don't believe in monotheism. I believe there are many Gods as there are individuals and each person is related to their own sacred energy whether they regard it as such or not.

You sound like a pan en theist

And this God says, there is no others before me

God would not need to say any such thing

I have always had some trouble understand why an all powerful perfect god created flawed creatures and tolerates evil

 

[Orias]

If you're the real God then you're more constant and fixed than the laws of physics for example. You're beyond everything. An unquenchable fire always burning deeper than and beyond all things. So of course it's right for such a God to say He is the only One. Who can possibly hope to compare? Reality and the universe itself is only a dream or a shadow to this type of God. Going against Him is like going against physics and expecting to succeed. Like Wile E Coyote running off a cliff and thinking he can run in the air. So, being a servant of God is logical and not being a servant of God is insanity.

As for angels, yes they are called "elohim" in the scriptures. Satan a fallen angel is a "god" but only for people who rebel against the most High God. And satan isn't going to be able to save anyone; so what's the point of being his little slave?

Hmm...calling something God and serving it for the sake of "logic" isn't even logical. And also, a slave is a slave. No matter one of Satan, or one of God. I tend to think Satan has followers who follow in accord to their own will, they are not slaves, because if Satan is synonymous with rebellion that would imply they are rebelling against slavery, and like Satan is his own authority, so too are their followers.

Unlike the Bible which openly states one is a slave to god, and slavery is ok. That's even what a certain popular religion translates to, "submission". Rebellion means the opposite of that, not submission.

 

[Orias]

Agnostic occult tends to turn into 'theistic satanism', the occult that isn't theistic, is really just a step towards theistic satanism.

So, occult ideas, in forms that one associates themself with, are not necessarily the outcome, themselves.

Is there some form of occult self deification? Sure, however just as theoretical as anything. Where someone really embraces that occult, is by direct theistic satanism, or such. Note how most music etc is actually, "occult", yet probably is still associated with theistic satanism, if one just follows the genres.

Not always, obviously, hence 'direct satanism' no occult required, type thing, however just note prevalence.

Hope that was clear enough.

I don't know about any of this. In my experience Christian's are more theistic Satanists than anyone, especially Catholics. Unless we are talking about the early Canaanites, those people were pretty hardcore.

 

[Orias]

You sound like a pan en theist


God would not need to say any such thing

I have always had some trouble understand why an all powerful perfect god created flawed creatures and tolerates evil

So do you mean to say such a thing would be obvious through it's actions and ability to spread influence?

 

[Desert Snake]

I don't know about any of this. In my experience Christian's are more theistic Satanists than anyone, especially Catholics. Unless we are talking about the early Canaanites, those people were pretty hardcore.

Hmm ok, there is something there, obviously, however I meant non christian satanism.

 

[Orias]

Most self proclaimed Satanists I know claim to be atheists. Though I'll admit I doubt their claims of being Satanic in the first place. I doubt you'd talk with any "real" Satanist on this forum though there is a few. I'd say their belief is more personal and less gnostic or agnostic. Sometime ago there was a discussion but eventually it became like "Voldemort", discussion of it was prohibited so it will go unnamed.

 

[Orias]

Hmm ok, there is something there, obviously, however I meant non christian satanism.

Well Christian's basically invented Satanism. Every Christian is a Satanist. Every Satanist is a Christian. I tend to think every enlightened Satanist is everything, they should be if they are going to emulate the adversary.

 

[ManSinha]

So do you mean to say such a thing would be obvious through it's actions and ability to spread influence?

There in lies the conundrum as to what is "obvious" - I lean - as would be glaringly apparent - to the dharmic side and my views are colored by that

Some people ask for the obvious to be as simple as 2+2 = 4

Others tend to find the divine in the wonders of nature, the advances made possible by science (and equally others claims that these are either random or achieved by human kind with no meta physical contributions)

In a sense it also depends on one's teachings and how one was raised -

Speaking just for myself - I was raised to be grateful for the better things in life and to ask for courage and determination to tide over the rougher times - it has worked for me personally as it has sporadically for people across the lines of faith divides

Most dharmics tend to look inwards for clues about the divine - IMHO both the concept of god and religion are man made

 

[Desert Snake]

Well Christian's basically invented Satanism. Every Christian is a Satanist. Every Satanist is a Christian. I tend to think every enlightened Satanist is everything, they should be if they are going to emulate the adversary.

'Christian' is quite broad, whether 'every christian is a satanist'? It seems too broad. There are different "religions" all called 'christian' in some sense.

An enlightened satanist, why would they be everything, that doesn't really make sense to me.

 

[Orias]

There in lies the conundrum as to what is "obvious" - I lean - as would be glaringly apparent - to the dharmic side and my views are colored by that

Some people ask for the obvious to be as simple as 2+2 = 4

Others tend to find the divine in the wonders of nature, the advances made possible by science (and equally others claims that these are either random or achieved by human kind with no meta physical contributions)

In a sense it also depends on one's teachings and how one was raised -

Speaking just for myself - I was raised to be grateful for the better things in life and to ask for courage and determination to tide over the rougher times - it has worked for me personally as it has sporadically for people across the lines of faith divides

Most dharmics tend to look inwards for clues about the divine - IMHO both the concept of god and religion are man made

Hmm...I think perhaps it can obvious. Like I said before what is the benefit of giving away power if not to empower oneself? Maybe through empowering others, one becomes more empowered and thus more influential. Create a vacuum, power struggle ensues, people begin to rely on destruction to settle their fears and paranoia.

 

[Orias]

'Christian' is quite broad, whether 'every christian is a satanist'? It seems too broad. There are different "religions" all called 'christian' in some sense.

An enlightened satanist, why would they be everything, that doesn't really make sense to me.

hmmm

I say every Christian because every Christian I've talked to who calls themselves Christian has told me Satan is real.

And the reason an enlightened Satanist should be a bit of everything is because of the nature of Satanism, the nature of opposition and adversity. So goes the saying, wisdom gained through adversity.

 

[Orias]

@ManSinha think of it this way. A person or God would benefit from being the only being as a horse benefits from wearing blinders when hauling precious cargo. Such a claim would undoubtedly be based in war, and so I see it as a tactic of psychological warfare. It's meant to inspire feelings of doubt and trepidation.

Though I will say this, I don't revere any God that requires it's people to be weak. Strength should beget strength in my view .

 

[Orias]

@ManSinha think of it this way. A person or God would benefit from being the only God as a horse benefits from wearing blinders when hauling precious cargo. Such a claim would undoubtedly be based in war, and so I see it as a tactic of psychological warfare. It's meant to inspire feelings of doubt and trepidation, the blinders are meant to prevent the horse from seeing what's next to it, it will stay the course and be reliable, like a God.

Though I will say this, I don't revere any God that requires it's people to be weak. Strength should beget strength in my view .

 

[74x12]

Hmm...calling something God and serving it for the sake of "logic" isn't even logical. And also, a slave is a slave. No matter one of Satan, or one of God. I tend to think Satan has followers who follow in accord to their own will, they are not slaves, because if Satan is synonymous with rebellion that would imply they are rebelling against slavery, and like Satan is his own authority, so too are their followers.

Unlike the Bible which openly states one is a slave to god, and slavery is ok. That's even what a certain popular religion translates to, "submission". Rebellion means the opposite of that, not submission.

Well is it logical to do things according to the laws of physics? If you were an engineer would you design a plane that was a block of lead? Or would you study the laws of physics and so make a plane that could fly according to those laws?

Yet, God is beyond physics. Stronger and more constant than any law. God is the truth and cannot embrace a lie. So God hates every false way. So of course it's logical to be a slave of God. Illogical to go against God.