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If God is omnipresent, then He not only exists, but exists everywhere?
- Thread starter questfortruth
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Perhaps it has something to do with the way you framed the question? The answer has to be yes.
But if God is not Omnipresent, then he doesn't exist everywhere.
I don't believe he exists everywhere because Jesus gave him a location."Our Father who art in heaven".
He is omniscient however, so he doesn't need to be everywhere when he can know whatever he chooses to know about everything. Then when he needs to accomplish something he can just use his omnipotence. Makes sense to me. Very uncomplicated actually.
questfortruth
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Now noone has excuse to go to hell torment. Give me Nobel Prize! Look: God lefts no excuse, so He has invented un-falsifiable and un-troll-able proof.Perhaps it has something to do with the way you framed the question? The answer has to be yes.
I don't believe there is any such place mentioned in the Bible. God grants eternal life only to the righteous....so how does God torture people in hell forever if they are wicked? They would have to be alive to suffer, wouldn't they? Isn't that a contradiction?
I have no argument with that....its just that one person's interpretation of the evidence is different to another's....so how do you tell who is right?
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
If i were God i would definetly try to escape omnipresence, and supplant it with a non living omnipresent spirit.
That way when little johnnie sins i would not have to be there to witness it. The spirit would be like a truth beacon. Sort of like the bat signal in batman.
There are a lot of places that quite frankly are not too pleasant to be in existence. And i would certainly feel the need to give every being adequate privacy and aloneness.
That way when little johnnie sins i would not have to be there to witness it. The spirit would be like a truth beacon. Sort of like the bat signal in batman.
There are a lot of places that quite frankly are not too pleasant to be in existence. And i would certainly feel the need to give every being adequate privacy and aloneness.
Uh, no. That is not at all what that was.
HonestJoe
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This is your assumption and it is that we are challenging. The concept or idea of a thing existing is not the same as it actually existing in reality. We are perfectly capable of thinking about a fictional omnipresent thing.
That is nothing close to what I actually said. You either need to read more carefully or to stop lying.
questfortruth
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Fictional thing does not exist, so you are wrong. I am proving, that there is omnipresent non-fictional thing.
HonestJoe
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Again, you presented that as an assertion, not a conclusion. You’ve not even tried to prove any omnipresent thing exists (other than via a weakly implied circular argument).
questfortruth
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It is just your biased opinion, because you are not a God to judge over proofs. Shall we sent it to the Journal of Philosophy? Look: Omnipresent thing can't help but to be existent. Look: existence and non-existence is property. Then, if a thing is omnipresent, then it MUST be existent.
HonestJoe
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Neither are you. Why couldn’t it be possible that you’re just mistaken?
questfortruth
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We will see: I will sent the paper to Journal of Philosophy.
HonestJoe
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Good luck with that. Do keep us updated with your progress.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
Let me update you now: the paper will be rejected with 100 % certainty.Good luck with that. Do keep us updated with your progress.
I think Baha'u'llah has all the answers you need to include in your paper.
You would be submitting a paper that is full of information direct from the omnipresent.
You could not lose, even if the whole world rejected the paper.
Regards Tony
questfortruth
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John 16:30-33 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe? Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me. These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
That is the way of Jesus Christ the Son and the way of Baha'u'llah the Father.
The Omnipresent is above all names, but is all Names. Names become one of our veils to seeing what is from the Omnipresent. The clouds that a new name arrives upon.
Regards Tony
ajay0
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I think, the term Spirit is confused or misplaced with God here.
There is a saying by Paramahamsa Yogananda, the author of 'Autobiography of a Yogi' in this regard...
"The word 'God' means the manifested, transcendental Being beyond creation, but existing in relation to creation. Spirit existed before God. God is the Creator of the universe, but Spirit is the Creator of God."
Spirit stands for Nirguna Brahman ( Impersonal Brahman without attributes) while God stands for Saguna Brahman ( Personal Brahman with attributes).
God , as opposed to the omnipresent Spirit, is obviously finite, and there is a line demarcating the Creator from the Creation. This is also the philosophical doctrine of Islam, also known as Tawhid, and that of the Prajapita Brahmakumaris, who emphasize that God is not omnipresent and is a point of light.
The soul is distinct from God in the relative plane, but is one with God in Spirit ( Nirguna Brahman) in the plane of the Absolute