If God is our Father

[metis]

1. I did a search keyword search for Father in New Testament. There were 326 verses found with 369 matches. Of the 369 matches they all used the same greek word for father. yes all 369 matches used the same greek word for father " Pater ". I looked up Pater in strong's greek lexicon. " 3962. pater pat-ayr' apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote):--father, parent. "

Two verse examples

Mat 23:9 And G2532 call G2564 no G3361 man your G5216 father G3962 upon G1909 the G3588 earth: G1093 for G1063 one G1520 is G2076 your G5216 Father, G3962 which G3588 is in G1722 heaven. G3772

Luk 1:73 The oath G3727 which G3739 he sware G3660 to G4314 our G2257 father G3962 Abraham,G11

Source

Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results

2. It almost seems that you are trying to imply that we are not the children of God or that God has no sons besides his only begotten son.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

You're comparing apples to watermelons because you've slipped into an area I did not comment on with your deviating into the word "pater". To put it bluntly, you really don't know what you're talking about because your use of that word has literally nothing to do with what I posted. Maybe someone else can explain this to you as I have other things to do.

 

[Muffled]

1. If God is our Father in Heaven, would we call God fully Man and God?

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1a.
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

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1b.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

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1c.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

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1d.
Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

I believe we would not.. Jesus is God but God is not Jesus.

 

[Iymus]

You're comparing apples to watermelons because you've slipped into an area I did not comment on with your deviating into the word "pater". To put it bluntly, you really don't know what you're talking about because your use of that word has literally nothing to do with what I posted. Maybe someone else can explain this to you as I have other things to do.

1. No. It seems you slipped into your own area. If the greek lexicon and strong's concordance is irrelevant in understanding "Mat 23:9" then just say so. Why are you playing these mental gymnastics?

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

2. Is it because you confess Catholic as your religion; which is one of the widest gates by the way when it comes to denominations identified with Christianity.

The wide gate is a no no by the way; but of course i don't know what i am talking about.

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

3. Why bring up greek words when they are not being used or referenced in text?

 

[Muffled]

"Father", as used in the above, is "abba" in Hebrew, which is a slang reference to one's biological father. "Father", as in what we may call a priest, is from "presbyteros" in Koine Greek, which means an elderly male.

I believe God has never produced children biologically, so are you saying Jesus was wrong to use the word or is it that the word can have other meanings?

 

[Iymus]

I believe we would not.. Jesus is God but God is not Jesus.

1. According to scripture:

1a. Is Jesus Lord God?

1b. Is Jesus greater than all.

1c. Does Jesus do his own will?

 

[Muffled]

Yes. I know God is not a man. And none of us can ever become God or a god.
But is God a divine human?
That is what I’m wondering?
Because I see the term ‘human’ as describing someone who has been reborn and has God within.
Up until that point, we are just animals. Animals with the ability to think and reason, of course. Yet not using those abilities.

Oh. And as He walked the earth prior to his death, he was not yet the divine human. That was accomplished WITH his death.
I probably made this confusing, I’m sorry.
Sometimes I cannot get my thoughts across coherently.

Anyway, keep posting. Your threads are extremely thought provoking.

Congratulations. I believe yo got this right.

I believe He is not.

I believe that is incorrect. The term as we use it refers to the biological form.

I believe we would still be human in form but if the body lacked a soul it would just be an animal.

I believe that is also incorrect. Jesus was a divine human from conception.

 

[Muffled]

1. According to scripture:

1a. Is Jesus Lord God?

1b. Is Jesus greater than all.

1c. Does Jesus do his own will?

1a. I believe so as the scripture states.

1b. I believe Jesus is not greater than the Father as Jesus states.

1c. I believe He would be capable if God would let Him but as Jesus said: John 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father 5 does, that the Son does likewise

 

[metis]

I believe God has never produced children biologically, so are you saying Jesus was wrong to use the word or is it that the word can have other meanings?

The latter. For example, Jews refer to themselves as "sons of God".

In the 1st century Church, there was the consensus that Jesus was of God, but going by such discussions in the early 2nd century it appears that there was no consensus on the specifics. It pretty much remained that way until the latter half of the 3rd century and the beginning of the 4th century when different "heretical" groups claimed that they had the right formula and the right books. Thus, the Church was forced to try and reach a consensus both on Jesus' and the Holy Spirit"s relationship to God, but also which books should be in the canon.

Both of these decisions were highly contentious, to say the least, but eventually out of this came the Nicene Creed and the Bible that most Christians still use today. Were these both the right choices or the best choices? That's still conjectural as we see here discussed frequently at RF. My opinion is I don't know.

 

[Iymus]

1. According to scripture:

1a. Is Jesus Lord God?

1b. Is Jesus greater than all.

1c. Does Jesus do his own will?

1a. I believe so as the scripture states.

1b. I believe Jesus is not greater than the Father as Jesus states.

1c. I believe He would be capable if God would let Him but as Jesus said: John 5:19 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father 5 does, that the Son does likewise

1. Since Jesus is Lord God, Did Lord God give specifically unto himself the throne of his earthly father David? Can him be replaced with himself in Luk 1:32?

Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

2. If someone says that someone else is greater than them, does that mean that someone is lesser than that someone else?

3. If question one and question two are all valid yes, then do you mean to tell me that Jesus as Lord God himself is lesser than the Heavenly Father?
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4. There are many lords in the bible with our God being the greatest of all who is Possessor / Lord of Heaven and Earth.

5. I ask again with more specifics; Is Jesus Lord God, or is the God and Father of our lesser lord Lord God, since God The Father is greater?

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

6. Have certain men crept in and are trying to use a lesser lord to deny the greater lord "only Lord God" even though our lord declared not himself and gave commandments not of himself?

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

 

[Iymus]

1. To no one in particular;

1a. I just want to bring forth and for reference purposes that the strong's number for the greek word presbyteros is G4245 and not once was it used for Father in bibles i looked over.

4245. presbuteros pres-boo'-ter-os comparative of presbus (elderly); older; as noun, a senior; specially, an Israelite Sanhedrist (also figuratively, member of the celestial council) or Christian "presbyter":-- elder(-est), old.

1b. The greek word for Father in the bibles I have gone over so far is Pater which is strong's number 3962

" 3962. pater pat-ayr' apparently a primary word; a "father" (literally or figuratively, near or more remote):--father, parent. "

2. Luk 8:17

Luk 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

 

[74x12]

He separated the light from the darkness
He created the light

prior to the creation
there was ONLY darkness

light....btw
is another means of speaking.....without confusion
enlightenment

"God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all"

He didn't create the light in Genesis 1:3. He shown His own light in the darkened world. He was already light and the light of Genesis 1:3 is the Light of God.

In fact light is energy and all matter is comprised of energy. This is why when you make a fire the hot particles coming off of the wood(we call flames) will glow orange. They're releasing energy in the form of light. So light had to come before matter.

In Genesis 1:2-3 we find there was already matter there. The water. And then God said let there be Light. So He didn't create light then. He called for it to shine on the water.

 

[74x12]

1a. Yet that Son knew he came in Lord God's name / authority and was given his identity to declare and represent him; not to be him.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.
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1b. This same son received life from the Father himself and was subservient to his Father's works and was sent by God our Father himself.

Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
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1c. Voice of Lord God came from Heaven ; not earth where Jesus was at that time. Lord God gave him the kingdom not himself

Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Of course He came to do the Father's will and to glorify the Father. As it is written:

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. (Hebrews 2:17)

So He had to be like us in all things. Thus, He had to endure temptation and walk by faith as we must. Obey the commandments etc. In all things. That doesn't take away His divinity. As we read in Philippians 2:5-8; He was in the form of God before; but humbled Himself an took on the form of a servant the "likeness of men".

Philippians 2:5-8 (KJV)
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

2. Not going to argue translation here. Either way, at that time of his words he was born into this word as a man.. Also currently he was on earth, it applies to him.

Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

It doesn't apply because He is not one of their own. He's from above, they're form beneath.

3. Highly Disingenuous. Unless you can prove that Jesus raised himself by his own will, authority and works you are not being sincere.

Jesus claims "I will raise it up" speaking of His own body as the temple.
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (John 2:19)

Here we see that it was not even possible for death to hold Jesus.
Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. (Acts 2:24)

In fact Jesus Himself is the commandment of Life from God. Jesus is literally the Word made flesh. The commandment of Life.

Psalm 1:33:3
As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the Lord commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.

This is why He is called the "Word of Life"

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (1st John 1:1)

He is literally the Word of Life sent from God to restore people to life again.

(John 11:25)
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

So in the beginning the Spirit of God hovered over the great deep in silence and then God spoke. So long as Jesus lived the Word was silent. But as the silence was broken; so His body was broken and then He spoke in resurrection. That is "Let there be Light" and there was Light. This is the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

4. God was manifest in Moses but that does not mean Moses delivered his people from Egypt; that originated with God. Salvation is of God our Father alone. The origination is of God not those he sends to do his will. But how can you believe?

Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Well show us where it says all of the Divine nature was indwelling Moses bodily. It doesn't. Just Jesus.
"and ye are complete in Him which is the head of all principality and power"

This is how the only Begotten declared and will declare the God that no one can see. (as in John 1:18)

1 Timothy 6:14-16 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

So Jesus; just by appearing will "declare" or "show" the unseeable God. This is because he is that God manifest. Just as Ezekiel saw God "manifest" in Ezekiel 1:26 and Isaiah saw God manifest in Isaiah 6:1 and others also saw God manifest. Indeed, Abraham seems to have eaten and talked with God. They did not see God in His Light that no one can approach to; but they saw a manifestation of that God and so that is what Jesus is. Except this time God manifest in human form.

So, this is how the Son of God declares the God that no one can see. Simply by appearing.

John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

 

[Redemptionsong]

1. Since Jesus is Lord God, Did Lord God give specifically unto himself the throne of his earthly father David? Can him be replaced with himself in Luk 1:32?

Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

2. If someone says that someone else is greater than them, does that mean that someone is lesser than that someone else?

3. If question one and question two are all valid yes, then do you mean to tell me that Jesus as Lord God himself is lesser than the Heavenly Father?
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4. There are many lords in the bible with our God being the greatest of all who is Possessor / Lord of Heaven and Earth.

5. I ask again with more specifics; Is Jesus Lord God, or is the God and Father of our lesser lord Lord God, since God The Father is greater?

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

6. Have certain men crept in and are trying to use a lesser lord to deny the greater lord "only Lord God" even though our lord declared not himself and gave commandments not of himself?

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Isaiah 7:14. 'Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.'

Why would the child be called Immanuel [meaning 'God with us' - see Isaiah 8:10] if he [Jesus Christ] were not God with us?

Proverbs 8:22,23 . 'The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.'

 

[Iymus]

Why would the child be called Immanuel [meaning 'God with us' - see Isaiah 8:10] if he [Jesus Christ] were not God with us?

1. Immanuel declared the works of God; Therefore God with us.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Proverbs 8:22,23 . 'The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.'

2. You are unknowingly admitting Jesus is not Lord God because Lord God is Possessor of Heaven and Earth. The possessed is not the Possessor but owned by the Possessor because all things are of Lord God himself. Most High God Possessor of Heaven and Earth is greater than all.

Gen 14:22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

3. Many lords but the greatest lord is Lord God our Father who is head over our lord.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

1. If you are stubborn then it seems as iniquity and idolatry. Though I do appreciate the straightforward answer.

1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

2. You are seemingly giving peculiar insight that Jesus is fully terrestrial and fully celestial; not one or the other.

1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

3. You are seemingly giving peculiar insight that Jesus was declared to be fully terrestrial and celestial after resurrection from the flesh of terrestrial.

1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

I simply answered your question. And I gave Scripture to support what I was saying.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Thief]

"God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all"

He didn't create the light in Genesis 1:3. He shown His own light in the darkened world. He was already light and the light of Genesis 1:3 is the Light of God.

In fact light is energy and all matter is comprised of energy. This is why when you make a fire the hot particles coming off of the wood(we call flames) will glow orange. They're releasing energy in the form of light. So light had to come before matter.

In Genesis 1:2-3 we find there was already matter there. The water. And then God said let there be Light. So He didn't create light then. He called for it to shine on the water.

ooops…...did you say....???

God did not create light

 

[MJFlores]

IF ALL PEOPLE will rely solely in the Bible in their belief about the nature of Christ, no one would have fallen into the false belief that Christ is the true God because the Bible clearly proves that the Lord Jesus Christ is different from the Lord God.


GOD IS ETERNAL, HAS NO BEGINNING OR END
WHILE JESUS CAME FROM GOD

The Bible clearly states that God is “from everlasting to everlasting”:

“Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.” (Psalms 90:2 NIV)

“From everlasting to everlasting” means that God is without beginning or end:

“Before the mountains were created, before the earth was formed, you are God without beginning or end.” (Psalms 90:2 TLB)

The eternal God is from everlasting to everlasting, without beginning or end. However, the Lord Jesus came from God:

“Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.” (John 8:42 NIV)

Christ said, “I came from God,” while God has no beginning or end. Thus, the Lord Jesus is not the eternal God. What else proves that Jesus is not the eternal God?

“Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.” (Isaiah 40:28 NIV)

The everlasting God will not grow tired or weary. However, the Lord Jesus Christ got tired:

“Jacob's well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about the sixth hour.” (John 4:6 NIV)

Thus, the Lord Jesus is not the everlasting or eternal God. The eternal God has no beginning or end, while the Lord Jesus came from God. The everlasting God will not grow tired or weary, while the Lord Jesus Christ got tired.


GOD IS IMMORTAL WHILE JESUS
DIED ON THE CROSS

The Bible explicitly said that the Lord God is immortal:

“Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.” (I Timothy 1:17 NIV)

However, it is clearly written in the Bible that the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross:

“When he had received the drink, Jesus said, ‘It is finished.’ With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
“But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.” (John 19:30, 33 NIV)

The One True God is immortal, while the Lord Jesus died on the cross.


GOD DOES NOT RECOGNIZE ANY OTHER GOD
WHILE CHRIST DEIFIES GOD

The Lord God explicitly said that there is no other God besides Him:

“Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.” (Isaiah 44:8 NIV)

However, the Lord Jesus Christ deifies God:

“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"-which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34 NIV)

“Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'” (John 20:17 NIV)


GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING WHILE THERE
IS SOMETHING JESUS DON’T KNOW

God knows everything:

“Whenever our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.” (I John 3:20 NIV)

Even the Son (the Lord Jesus Christ) doesn’t know the day or hour of His second coming:

“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36 NIV)



GOD IS ABOVE ALL WHILE JESUS
WILL BE SUBJECTED TO GOD

God is above all:

“One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” (Ephesians 4:6 NKJV)


Jesus will be subjected to God:

“For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.” (I Corinthians 15:27-28 NKJV)


GOD IS NOT A SON OF MAN WHILE
JESUS IS CALLED “SON OF MAN”

God is not a man, nor a son of man:

“God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?” (Numbers 23:19 NKJV)

Jesus is called the “Son of Man”:

“When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?" So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:13-16 NKJV)


GOD IS SPIRIT WHILE JESUS IS A MAN

God is spirit has no flesh and bones:

“God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24 NKJV)

“And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” (Luke 24:38-39 NKJV)

Jesus is a man, he have flesh and bones:

“But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.” (John 8:40 NKJV)

“And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” (Luke 24:38-39 NKJV)


CONCLUSION

These differences between the Lord Jesus Christ and the Lord God clearly prove that Jesus is not the everlasting God, the immortal God, the all-knowing God, God who is spirit, who is not man, who is not a son of man. Thus, these prove that the Lord Jesus Christ is not the One True God. Jesus clearly taught that the One true God is his Father:

“Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You…
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:1, 3 NKJV)

The belief that the Father alone is the One True God is the the doctrine uphold by the Christians:

“Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” (I Corinthians 8:6 NIV)

 

[Redemptionsong]

The belief that the Father alone is the One True God is the the doctrine uphold by the Christians:

“Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” (I Corinthians 8:6 NIV)

1 Corinthians 8:6 should be read in conjunction with Ephesians 4:6, which says, 'One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.'

The one God and Father of Jesus Christ does not stay above all. His Spirit comes to dwell with men on earth [In the Son, whilst remaining transcendent]; and through the baptism in the Holy Spirit [sent through Jesus Christ] which fills believers with Holy Spirit.
'To wit, that God was in Jesus Christ, reconciling the the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them: and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.' [2 Corinthians 5:19]

The problem with arguing that only God the Father is the one true God is that it takes no account of His coming to earth to dwell with men.

If the Spirit of God was not in Jesus Christ then God has not come to earth. It follows that Jesus Christ is not truly good, nor truly sinless. Consequently, Christ's sacrifice [of himself] is not acceptable, because it was not a spotless sacrifice. So why was he resurrected?

Do you think that you can be baptized in the Holy Spirit without accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord? I would say, No. So, if you are not born again of the Holy Spirit, you are not of Christ, and not of his body, the true Church. This leads to the conclusion that without God being in Christ there would be no Church and no sinners saved.

Jews [who have not accepted Jesus as Messiah] believe in the one true God. Are they saved?

 

[Redemptionsong]

1. Immanuel declared the works of God; Therefore God with us.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.



2. You are unknowingly admitting Jesus is not Lord God because Lord God is Possessor of Heaven and Earth. The possessed is not the Possessor but owned by the Possessor because all things are of Lord God himself. Most High God Possessor of Heaven and Earth is greater than all.

Gen 14:22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

3. Many lords but the greatest lord is Lord God our Father who is head over our lord.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

2Co 11:31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

As I have said to MJFlores, your belief in the one true God matters very little if you do not accept his Son, Jesus Christ. God the Father has acted, and has sent His Son to be our Lord and Saviour. If we do not accept Jesus Christ as our Lord, and God, then we are none of His. It is in, and through Jesus Christ, that we find life and atonement. Only when we accept Jesus Christ by faith can we be baptized in the Holy Spirit and become a part of His body. No man goes to the Father except through Jesus Christ!

 

[Iymus]

As I have said to MJFlores, your belief in the one true God matters very little if you do not accept his Son, Jesus Christ.

1. yes as the scripture hath said; not as Lord God and the only true God which you declare.

Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

If we do not accept Jesus Christ as our Lord, and God, then we are none of His.

2. No. If we confess Jesus is Lord God which is The Lord our God then we confess that the Father is not greater than his son and deny the only Lord God. Many lords but our lord is a lesser lord compared to The Lord our God who is greater and Lord of Heaven and Earth.

Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

No man goes to the Father except through Jesus Christ!

3. 1Ti 2:5 & Act 17:30-31

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

No man goes to the Father except through Jesus Christ!

4. Also these three verses are also in the same Chapter that you quote from. Perhaps you should seek the understanding of them.

Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.