If God is something real for you, how do you imagine who/what that is?

[RestlessSoul]

I saw God as a dreamer. God's dream is our reality.
At some point God would awaken and realize that nothing which happened to us individually was real. Nothing we experienced actually mattered because it all was just a dream.

"Dreams seem real, for as long as they last. Can we say more of life?"

- Hippolyte Taine - Wikipedia

 

[christos]

Can you tell me a little about it? New to me.

Edited to add I read everything Amazon had linked about it. It strikes me as an effort to place Christianity in the widest context possible with a huge back story. Not being a Christian myself I probably won’t be going there. But I can see the attraction.

“The Urantia Book” makes the claim to be a “fifth revelation” for modern humans from the spiritual world



The back story is tricky to track, I’ll try to describe the background as best as I know

A psychologist in 1930s Chicago came across a woman who’s husband would write in his sleep

Under study they began to think if this man was channeling something and so they wrote down questions for him to answer

Over the course of 10 years or so, they had collected and compiled a large collection of papers from fundamental physics, the structure of the heavens, the evolution of man, the technological developments we’ll make in the future, it makes many future predictions, that have come true

So it’s largely a science book, although mostly esoteric



It goes through all of time, what space is, what physics is, where the laws come from, how the universe came to be, descriptions of the atom, discoveries to be made in astronomy, other life forms, what they breath, how they live, where to find them, the structure of their brains, discoveries to be made in terms of energy, waves, matter et cetera

It goes through way too much to describe in any short amount of time



The last third or 400 pages or so, is about Christ and claims to be the actual story corrected, so there’s Christs childhood, him growing up, his ministry, his life, the tomb, where he went, how he disappeared, what he was when he resurrected et cetera



It’s less about Christ and mostly about the entirety of the universe and spirituality and science

And it’s a real enigma, it deeply makes me think, what the hell it is and if it’s possible for those of the 1930s to have known some of this stuff

Could be a hoax
Could be bull
Could be legit
I have no clue



What I do know is, the same publishing company in Chicago, “Yogi publishing” ALSO published, “The Three Initiates - Kyballion”, a part of the “Master Key Society” works

Which claims to be the teachings of “Hermes Trismigestus, or Thoth, the scribe of the Gods”, and centred on the “7 universal principles”

ALL SUPPOSED HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE

 

[Whateverist]

“The Urantia Book” makes the claim to be a “fifth revelation” for modern humans from the spiritual world



The back story is tricky to track, I’ll try to describe the background as best as I know

A psychologist in 1930s Chicago came across a woman who’s husband would write in his sleep

Under study they began to think if this man was channeling something and so they wrote down questions for him to answer

Over the course of 10 years or so, they had collected and compiled a large collection of papers from fundamental physics, the structure of the heavens, the evolution of man, the technological developments we’ll make in the future, it makes many future predictions, that have come true

So it’s largely a science book, although mostly esoteric



It goes through all of time, what space is, what physics is, where the laws come from, how the universe came to be, descriptions of the atom, discoveries to be made in astronomy, other life forms, what they breath, how they live, where to find them, the structure of their brains, discoveries to be made in terms of energy, waves, matter et cetera

It goes through way too much to describe in any short amount of time



The last third or 400 pages or so, is about Christ and claims to be the actual story corrected, so there’s Christs childhood, him growing up, his ministry, his life, the tomb, where he went, how he disappeared, what he was when he resurrected et cetera



It’s less about Christ and mostly about the entirety of the universe and spirituality and science

And it’s a real enigma, it deeply makes me think, what the hell it is and if it’s possible for those of the 1930s to have known some of this stuff

Could be a hoax
Could be bull
Could be legit
I have no clue



What I do know is, the same publishing company in Chicago, “Yogi publishing” ALSO published, “The Three Initiates - Kyballion”, a part of the “Master Key Society” works

Which claims to be the teachings of “Hermes Trismigestus, or Thoth, the scribe of the Gods”, and centred on the “7 universal principles”

ALL SUPPOSED HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE

Got to say I have no place for a revealed word as though whatever God may be can and does send prose to people to transcribe for Him. I tend to understand that differently both in the Urania book and the Bible. I think everyone to some degree can occasionally tap into the something more which I do believe is in every creature and everything and prior to the cosmos. I don't believe there is any official, bonafide word which is the one true word of God. I don't think that exists. But I do think many poets and every tradition taps into. But if God was anything like Christianity imagines and wanted to enforce His trademark, He could do it.

But I have no problem with those who do believe such things. I don't think they must be wrong, but I also don't think they are exclusively right either.

 

[christos]

Got to say I have no place for a revealed word as though whatever God may be can and does send prose to people to transcribe for Him. I tend to understand that differently both in the Urania book and the Bible. I think everyone to some degree can occasionally tap into the something more which I do believe is in every creature and everything and prior to the cosmos. I don't believe there is any official, bonafide word which is the one true word of God. I don't think that exists. But I do think many poets and every tradition taps into. But if God was anything like Christianity imagines and wanted to enforce His trademark, He could do it.

But I have no problem with those who do believe such things. I don't think they must be wrong, but I also don't think they are exclusively right either.

Ithink that’s a really good position to be in and it’s very clear to me you have a great interest as do I

I have to agree with everything you said as that’s generally how I think also

When looking at NDEs, DMT, the Sumerians, black projects, neuroscience whatever

The same thing comes up

The brain exists in higher than 4 dimensions
The human form and the brain acts as a filter of experience
This experience is limited and somewhat illusionary
The purpose of life is to grow and learn spiritually
God is some infinite thing that can never be known or understood
The highest attainment is the father
Humans can attain Christ consciousness
We judge ourselves in a life review
Hell is the complete cessation of experience

So on so forth



And from my own sort of reasoning
There is no “THE truth” when it comes to humans
No one human or religion has THE truth as we’re material, limited, animalistic and we have ego to contend with

And like in Walter Russell writings, the Urantia Book, the bible, it all seems to come back to light and energy and frequency for whatever reason

So on so forth
(I’m trying to make my writing shorter, you know how it is)



I do seriously believe we tap into something, whatever that thing is, because I’ve experienced it… many times, in meditation, sleep and whilst awake



Religions of the world as I say
Are but half truths
Because we’re human
Book and texts are lost and altered
Stories change
Politics and society changes

There’s some truth in all religions
But no one religion is truth
It’s not that say Christianity is OUTRIGHT FALSE, it just isn’t THE truth

I for one, have no religion, I don’t fit into any category or label
I don’t know what I am…
A Gnostic, Hermetic, Spiritualist, who loves science and maths and finds Christ and Bhudda interesting
I mean I have no idea XDXDXD

 

[Whateverist]

I do seriously believe we tap into something, whatever that thing is, because I’ve experienced it

So do I for the same reason. Not an ongoing thing and I neither need nor expect to do so again. But it is enough to know there is more depth to experience than just our immediate sense perception and cognitive associations. If you know, you know you don't need to know more. Life isn't a test or a performance. We're one pseudopod of this great ongoing mystery. Like the cells of our body, we'll be sloughed off but the One will continue and we are that too.

 

[Whateverist]

Religions of the world as I say
Are but half truths
Because we’re human
Book and texts are lost and altered
Stories change
Politics and society changes

There’s some truth in all religions
But no one religion is truth
It’s not that say Christianity is OUTRIGHT FALSE, it just isn’t THE truth

I for one, have no religion, I don’t fit into any category or label
I don’t know what I am…
A Gnostic, Hermetic, Spiritualist, who loves science and maths and finds Christ and Bhudda interesting
I mean I have no idea XDXDXD

That is why I coined "whateverist". It isn't about being flippant. It is just knowing my faith is in the something greater I intuit - whatever that may turn out to be. My disposition is introversion so I've always gravitated toward contemplative and creative activities. I'm sure traditional forms of religion have an advantage in that they have a community component but it isn't for me. I'm religiously feral and am content with that.

 

[PearlSeeker]

I saw God as a dreamer. God's dream is our reality.
At some point God would awaken and realize that nothing which happened to us individually was real. Nothing we experienced actually mattered because it all was just a dream.

"We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is rounded with a sleep." (Shakespeare, The Tempest)

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But what if what is held as sacred no kind of thing? If God as the ground of being is the answer to the question why anything at all exists, then whatever God is is not on the plane of things which exists. It is prior.

Do you mean something by "whatever God is is not on the plane of things which exists" that doesn't just distill down to "God does not exist"?

 

[Whateverist]

Do you mean something by "whatever God is is not on the plane of things which exists" that doesn't just distill down to "God does not exist"?

One can always reduce anything down to what one already knows and insist if it doesn’t cohere with that it doesn’t exist at all. But that would only help one ignore the question, not answer it. It is fine to prefer other questions but why disparage other peoples’ interests?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

One can always reduce anything down to what one already knows and insist if it doesn’t cohere with that it doesn’t exist at all. But that would only help one ignore the question, not answer it. It is fine to prefer other questions but why disparage other peoples’ interests?

I'm not disparaging anything. I'm asking what you mean.

You said something that implies that your position is that God does not exist. This doesn't seem to align with other things that you've said. I pointed out the discrepancy with the hope that you might clarify what you mean.

 

[Whateverist]

I'm not disparaging anything. I'm asking what you mean.

You said something that implies that your position is that God does not exist. This doesn't seem to align with other things that you've said. I pointed out the discrepancy with the hope that you might clarify what you mean.

If God truly is that from which all else becomes, then God is not just one more thing that exists. But if you can’t see that there isn’t anything more I can tell you.

Revealed religions have much more to say about God as a being in His own right and that is seemingly a contradiction. But you would have to take that up with them.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If God truly is that from which all else becomes, then God is not just one more thing that exists. But if you can’t see that there isn’t anything more I can tell you.

Sounds like you've misinterpreted something in this conversation.

Revealed religions have much more to say about God as a being in His own right and that is seemingly a contradiction. But you would have to take that up with them.

I wasn't asking about revealed religions; I was asking about the position that you're arguing and that you presumably hold. There's no religious scripture I can look up that will tell me what you're trying to say.

 

[Whateverist]

There's no religious scripture I can look up that will tell me what you're trying to say.

Correct. My statements are from my own understanding of what G/gods is about. I do lean toward finding something positive in it and not just an error or delusion. I find that easier to do than to justify to those who prefer an error or delusion as an explanation . Of course the positive meaning I find doesn’t support supernatural beliefs but that is no problem of mine.