If God knew beforehand why did he go through with it?

[Conversationalist]

This question is for all you who are believers in God

These question has been lingering over my head for a very long time.

If God is all knowing, can foresee the future and prophecy things before they happen why did he allow sin to enter the world? Why did he create Lucifer knowing he would become Satan? Why did he put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden if he knew Adam and Eve would be tricked by the serpent?

If you are believer in God and you know the answer, do let me know as to be honest im racking my brain over the concept of a loving creator who had prior knowledge of his creations demise and let it happen anyway?

 

[Riverwolf]

You might want to specify which believers in God you are talking about, as I believe in God, but I'm not a Christian, and I know many Christians who do not follow that story literally.

However, the best answer that I can give for this question, assuming it's true, is: I don't know, and I don't think anyone can know. The Bible doesn't give a lot of why, but I can say that the story of Lucifer, the fallen angel, is not Biblical, and the name "Lucifer" only appears a couple of times in the Vulgate (Latin Bible): once referring to a Babylonian king, and a second time referring to Jesus.

For that story of Lucifer as Satan, read Paradise Lost, not the Bible. It may have the answer you seek.

 

[Charity]

This question is for all you who are believers in God

These question has been lingering over my head for a very long time.

If God is all knowing, can foresee the future and prophecy things before they happen why did he allow sin to enter the world? Why did he create Lucifer knowing he would become Satan? Why did he put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden if he knew Adam and Eve would be tricked by the serpent?

If you are believer in God and you know the answer, do let me know as to be honest im racking my brain over the concept of a loving creator who had prior knowledge of his creations demise and let it happen anyway?

God would have to answer all these questions for you, anything on our part would be only our opinion or speculation......

 

[footprints]

This question is for all you who are believers in God

These question has been lingering over my head for a very long time.

If God is all knowing, can foresee the future and prophecy things before they happen why did he allow sin to enter the world? Why did he create Lucifer knowing he would become Satan? Why did he put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden if he knew Adam and Eve would be tricked by the serpent?

If you are believer in God and you know the answer, do let me know as to be honest im racking my brain over the concept of a loving creator who had prior knowledge of his creations demise and let it happen anyway?

Please accept my apologies, I am not a believer in God per se, I am an agnostic, but I am going to answer anyway.

Based on the sociology of many ancient cultures, the Australian Aboriginal being the most identified with, the tree of knowledge in the garden of eden, never existed, or if it did, it was based on perception. As the story goes pertaining to eden, god per se didn't know what adam and eve were up to, let alone the alleged serpent. God therefore is not all knowing in this respect, doesn't see or hear everything. God, if God exists or ever existed, wanted something else to happen, it just went the other way.

From that humble beginning we as humans have added association to association to become the people we are today. The world as a whole went from the peace of the garden of eden per se, into the dark ages and slowly we are emerging from the dark ages and people gain the morality and ethics of the garden of eden again. We are still far from being as perfect as we were alleged to have been in the garden of eden, but we are getting there slowly and heading in the right direction, at least from my perception. Circumstantial evidence from many other ancient cultures tend to confirm this.

 

[Arlanbb]

You might want to specify which believers in God you are talking about, as I believe in God, but I'm not a Christian, and I know many Christians who do not follow that story literally.

However, the best answer that I can give for this question, assuming it's true, is: I don't know, and I don't think anyone can know. The Bible doesn't give a lot of why, but I can say that the story of Lucifer, the fallen angel, is not Biblical, and the name "Lucifer" only appears a couple of times in the Vulgate (Latin Bible): once referring to a Babylonian king, and a second time referring to Jesus.

For that story of Lucifer as Satan, read Paradise Lost, not the Bible. It may have the answer you seek.

Riverwolf ~ which scripture is Lucifer referring to Jesus?

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Well I believe in Gods and Goddesses, just not your God. As to not offend you I will just say Welcome to RF, this being your first post and all.

 

[Man of Faith]

It's very simple. God cannot deny himself. This world, universe, life, matter, space, time and energy is all about God. For His glory all was made and is in existence for Him.

 

[Archer]

All things have a possible outcome, however until the ball on top of the dome is released nothing can be seen. It is not until after the beginning that the end may be seen.

Wisdom comes in many forms, the believer sees all of creation without necessarily needing to know the process where the non-believer may only see the processes that are used to create and may never realize that it was put in motion. Both are able to predict an outcome, but God has seen all, and is all and therefore there is only one logical outcome and he has seen it.

There is a logical outcome to most things, ie. we know (good chance) that our children are going to do certain things they have been instructed not to do. Same with God and us.

Think of the predicted end of the world, fire. Many headed beasts, from the sea and air. Just a thought I had years ago, MIRV and mushroom clouds.

 

[Conversationalist]

Hey all than for your answers.

Just to clarify, I apologise if the question seems slightly confusing. At first when I wrote question I think it was addressed only to Christians and the point about Lucifer and Garden of Eden was specifically for them.

But now when I think about I think it really should be universal quetions for all who have a belief in a supernatural being or a group of supernatural beings whom have a diverse array of supernatural powers one of which is the ability to see into the future yet still chose create the world knowing evil would abound on that planet. I guess in a way you cannot totally answer for your Creator but why do you follow him/her/them if they have done so?

Have the ability to see into the future yet a created a world they knew would evil would abound and cause catastrophic pain for the beings that walk, fly and swim across the Earth.

I hope my questions make more sense.

 

[Dunemeister]

This question is for all you who are believers in God

These question has been lingering over my head for a very long time.

If God is all knowing, can foresee the future and prophecy things before they happen why did he allow sin to enter the world? Why did he create Lucifer knowing he would become Satan? Why did he put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden if he knew Adam and Eve would be tricked by the serpent?

If you are believer in God and you know the answer, do let me know as to be honest im racking my brain over the concept of a loving creator who had prior knowledge of his creations demise and let it happen anyway?

He also had prior knowledge of its redemption and glorification. I also take it that Adam and Eve were in exactly ideal circumstances, yet they fell. In other words, even in the best of all possible worlds, humankind was bound to fall. (And yes, the best of all possible worlds includes that serpent, at least at the beginning.)

 

[cottage]

He also had prior knowledge of its redemption and glorification. I also take it that Adam and Eve were in exactly ideal circumstances, yet they fell. In other words, even in the best of all possible worlds, humankind was bound to fall. (And yes, the best of all possible worlds includes that serpent, at least at the beginning.)

Adam and Even were bound to fail because that was God's intention! His foreknowledge of the event and the occurrence of the event must in God's case be exactly the same thing. There could be no foreknowledge of the act without it actually occurring and there could be no occurrence without his express will.

 

[LittleNipper]

This question is for all you who are believers in God

These question has been lingering over my head for a very long time.

If God is all knowing, can foresee the future and prophecy things before they happen why did he allow sin to enter the world? Why did he create Lucifer knowing he would become Satan? Why did he put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden if he knew Adam and Eve would be tricked by the serpent?

If you are believer in God and you know the answer, do let me know as to be honest im racking my brain over the concept of a loving creator who had prior knowledge of his creations demise and let it happen anyway?

This is not a simple question to answer, but think of it this way.
As a present born again believer, GOD foreknew that I'd come to accept CHRIST as my personal SAVIOR at some point in my life. So HE predestined this world to come into existance so that I would come to exist. This holds true for all who eventually come to accept CHRIST at some point in their lives. Of course my existance also depended on the existance of others who might never come to believe in CHRIST during their lifetimes and that maybe why believers are considered predestined (I do not know that for sure, but that is my take on that and seems reasonable).

 

[Conversationalist]

I get your point Little Nipper I really hope you don't take my comment as offensive or rude. I don't wanna take away from your convertion and the walk you have with God.

I get that you are grateful for God creating the world as you have a strong bond with him but I would say for a moment think of the bigger picture. The genocides, the famines, the deaths of innocent people would you say that it was worth all of that for you to have a strong bond with God?

I'm not suggesting that God shouldn't have created the world, I'm pondering why did God choose to create the world in this way? To allow creation to fall from him when he has the ability to erradicate evil, when he has the ability to create our world a new without all the drama?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

If God is all knowing, can foresee the future and prophecy things before they happen why did he allow sin to enter the world? Why did he create Lucifer knowing he would become Satan? Why did he put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden if he knew Adam and Eve would be tricked by the serpent?

Four possible logical answers:

1) the god described doesn't exist,
2) god cannot predict the future,
3) god is a sadist, or
4) god is subject to outside rules beyond his control.

Any way you slice it, the story negates the possibility of a god who is both omnipotent and omnibenevolent.

 

[Willamena]

Four possible logical answers:

1) the god described doesn't exist,
2) god cannot predict the future,
3) god is a sadist, or
4) god is subject to outside rules beyond his control.

or 5) god is metaphor, and his stories myth, to describe a particular aspect the relationship between us and the world.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

or 5) god is metaphor, and his stories myth, to describe a particular aspect the relationship between us and the world.

Yeah, there are a variety of options that could fall under 1) the god described doesn't exist.

 

[Willamena]

Yeah, there are a variety of options that could fall under 1) the god described doesn't exist.

Except, of course, that metaphors do exist, as de-scribed.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Except, of course, that metaphors do exist, as de-scribed.

Of course they do. Who said otherwise?

 

[Willamena]

Of course they do. Who said otherwise?

Well, you suggested #5 fitted under #1. I'm disputing that.

 

[John D]

God gave man, all man, one religion to believe in and that is :freedom to choose, and I guess that He knew where all choices will lead. We as human beings learn this along the way : war, murder, peace, Hitler, Mother Theressa, Robert Mogabe, Hussain Bolt, The Pope, Ghandi and you are products of choice, somebody elses or your own.
That is way a new choice can be made, to change the future.
And that God allready knows, we will see when we get there.