If Hell is a place of eternal torment

[lewisnotmiller]

Yet each diamond, being all tough, can damage each other. Its not a limit. Its they are equal.

You said it yourself. The diamond can be damaged. It's not omnipotent.

 

[Meow Mix]

There can't be two omnipotent beings because that's the equivalent of having an immovable object and irresistible force at the same time and in the same respect.

 

[We Never Know]

You said it yourself. The diamond can be damaged. It's not omnipotent.

Maybe I used a bad analogy.

Equal as can do anything. Damage, heal, destroy, or whatever but also override the other.

One does bad the other can make it good.
One does good the other can make it bad.

 

[We Never Know]

There can't be two omnipotent beings because that's the equivalent of having an immovable object and irresistible force at the same time and in the same respect.

If there are gods they can be what and how they want.

 

[InChrist]

If Hell is a place of eternal torment, do you think it is good that God allows a place like this to exist?

How do you reconcile finite crimes with infinite punishments?

What is your theory of justice: for instance, Hell seems purely retributive: since someone is ostensibly there forever, there could be no rehabilitative purposes for it.

What about belief? Some worldviews believe that people will go to Hell for mere nonbelief in a savior or religion in general. How do you reconcile that without thinking your god is terrible?

Basically, for those that believe in Hell as a place of eternal torment, can you help me understand why you believe this is real, and why it doesn't cause you to think your god is a monster?

From a biblical perspective I don’t see God as a monster at all because God has demonstrated complete love and done everything possible to provide eternal life and freedom from the eternal bondage of sin.

The reason hell or rather the lake of fire is a place of eternal torment is because it’s a place separated from God’s Eternal Presence, the Being who is the only Source of eternal life, love, light, goodness, beauty, joy, and peace. Those who end up separated from God are apart from all that is good because they rejected being with God.
God created eternal beings when He created humans in His image and therefore the sins or crimes we commit are not merely trivial, finite actions, but have eternal impact against God, His created universe, others, and ourselves. So unless one repents, seeks forgiveness and change through Christ then one who is determined to remain in their crimes forever will be separated from God and the new eternal heaven and earth.

 

[We Never Know]

From a biblical perspective I don’t see God as a monster at all because God has demonstrated complete love and done everything possible to provide eternal life and freedom from the eternal bondage of sin.

The reason hell or rather the lake of fire is a place of eternal torment is because it’s a place separated from God’s Eternal Presence, the Being who is the only Source of eternal life, love, light, goodness, beauty, joy, and peace. Those who end up separated from God are apart from all that is good because they rejected being with God.
God created eternal beings when He created humans in His image and therefore the sins or crimes we commit are not merely trivial, finite actions, but have eternal impact against God, His created universe, others, and ourselves. So unless one repents, seeks forgiveness and change through Christ then one who is determined to remain in their crimes forever will be separated from God and the new eternal heaven and earth.

 

[We Never Know]

From a biblical perspective I don’t see God as a monster at all because God has demonstrated complete love and done everything possible to provide eternal life and freedom from the eternal bondage of sin.

The reason hell or rather the lake of fire is a place of eternal torment is because it’s a place separated from God’s Eternal Presence, the Being who is the only Source of eternal life, love, light, goodness, beauty, joy, and peace. Those who end up separated from God are apart from all that is good because they rejected being with God.
God created eternal beings when He created humans in His image and therefore the sins or crimes we commit are not merely trivial, finite actions, but have eternal impact against God, His created universe, others, and ourselves. So unless one repents, seeks forgiveness and change through Christ then one who is determined to remain in their crimes forever will be separated from God and the new eternal heaven and earth.

All jokes aside.... You say god created humans in his image... Which image..male or female?
If he created man after him, what did he create woman after?

 

[Sand Dancer]

If Hell is a place of eternal torment, do you think it is good that God allows a place like this to exist?

How do you reconcile finite crimes with infinite punishments?

What is your theory of justice: for instance, Hell seems purely retributive: since someone is ostensibly there forever, there could be no rehabilitative purposes for it.

What about belief? Some worldviews believe that people will go to Hell for mere nonbelief in a savior or religion in general. How do you reconcile that without thinking your god is terrible?

Basically, for those that believe in Hell as a place of eternal torment, can you help me understand why you believe this is real, and why it doesn't cause you to think your god is a monster?

That's what happens when you go from polytheism to monotheism. The one god has to take credit for the bad stuff too. Oh yeah, the devil, even though he is less powerful than Yahweh, seems get blamed for stuff.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Maybe I used a bad analogy.

Equal as can do anything. Damage, heal, destroy, or whatever but also override the other.

One does bad the other can make it good.
One does good the other can make it bad.

God A can damage God B, so God B isn't omnipotent.
God B can damage God A, so God A isn't omnipotent.
God C can kick both their butts without raising a sweat, and can also cure every ill on the planet without even needing to snap his fingers. He MIGHT be omnipotent.

 

[Meow Mix]

If there are gods they can be what and how they want.

Not if there are logical inconsistencies though. There can be two very powerful beings, just not two omnipotent beings.

 

[We Never Know]

God A can damage God B, so God B isn't omnipotent.
God B can damage God A, so God A isn't omnipotent.
God C can kick both their butts without raising a sweat, and can also cure every ill on the planet without even needing to snap his fingers. He MIGHT be omnipotent.

Like i said i used a bad analogy.
God A can do XXX
God B can undo XXX
God B can do XXX
God A can undo XXX

IOW they are equal.

 

[InChrist]

All jokes aside.... You say god created humans in his image... Which image..male or female?
If he created man after him, what did he create woman after?

The scriptures say ...

So God created man in His ownimage; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 1:27

The scriptures also say God is Spirit. So God is not a male or female human, but the qualities of both male and female represent or give a picture of the qualities of God.

 

[We Never Know]

The scriptures say ...

So God created man in His ownimage; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 1:27

The scriptures also say God is Spirit. So God is not a male or female human, but the qualities of both male and female represent or give a picture of the qualities of God.

So god is hermaphrodite?

 

[We Never Know]

Not if there are logical inconsistencies though. There can be two very powerful beings, just not two omnipotent beings.

If god A can change anything god B does and vise-versa but neither can stop or destroy each other, they both are omnipotent.

 

[InChrist]

So god is hermaphrodite?

I guess you missed the part where I said God is Spirit, not human with male or female biological sex.

 

[Meow Mix]

From a biblical perspective I don’t see God as a monster at all because God has demonstrated complete love and done everything possible to provide eternal life and freedom from the eternal bondage of sin.

The reason hell or rather the lake of fire is a place of eternal torment is because it’s a place separated from God’s Eternal Presence, the Being who is the only Source of eternal life, love, light, goodness, beauty, joy, and peace. Those who end up separated from God are apart from all that is good because they rejected being with God.
God created eternal beings when He created humans in His image and therefore the sins or crimes we commit are not merely trivial, finite actions, but have eternal impact against God, His created universe, others, and ourselves. So unless one repents, seeks forgiveness and change through Christ then one who is determined to remain in their crimes forever will be separated from God and the new eternal heaven and earth.

You say that people "rejected being with God," what about people that just aren't convinced of God's existence?

What does it mean to "reject being with God?"

 

[Meow Mix]

If god A can change anything god B does and vise-versa but neither can stop or destroy each other, they both are omnipotent.

What if they both exert influence/power on the same thing at once?

 

[We Never Know]

What if they both exert influence/power on the same thing at once?

What if there isn't any?
What if there are more?

The problem of discussing or arguing "what's ifs" is none can be known or shown.

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

Basically, for those that believe in Hell as a place of eternal torment, can you help me understand why you believe this is real, and why it doesn't cause you to think your god is a monster?

For the same reason my life becomes hell when I choose to refuse to accept the reality of things that seem inconvenient to me.
I'll be forced to struggle and suffer forever.
It's just a natural consequence.
Sure, theoretically speaking God can magically get me out of that situation but He doesn't have to.
Does this make Him a monster?
To many it does.
But to me it really depends on how well you accept the reality of things and how well you can accept that life isn't all about what people want.
But whether you think Him a monster or not doesn't matter, grass will remain grass and the sky will remain the sky and the color green will remain the color green, whether you like it or prefer to give it different names or classifications or not.

Whether the ones go to Hell out of genuine nonbelief or not I don't know.
Nor am I sure I am worthy to go to paradise, even though I believe I believe.
It seems cruel if people go to Hell for not knowing better or feel they are not strong enough to act better.
The kind of nonbelievers(though there's plenty of such people in religious circles as well) I might feel the urge to gloat if they end up in that place(Hell) are the ones who take great joy in saying and doing things to make others feel bad and uncomfortable so that the worst in them will be brought out and and negative biases about them can be confirmed.
In a way it would also make sense to me that they cannot get out of that place, as I've noticed that those who take joy in mocking others and pointing out their mistakes to make themselves feel righteous and superior, rarely express the ability to face their own mistakes, especially towards the people they consider morally or intellectually inferior.
This inability to face the truth makes it impossible for them to be "forgiven", because they cannot be corrected.

 

[Meow Mix]

What if there isn't any?
What if there are more?

The problem of discussing or arguing "what's ifs" is none can be known or shown.

Discussing specifics is how we point out whether a concept is logically coherent or not. The reason I asked is because you can't have an immovable object and an irresistible force at the same time and in the same respect.

If one being wants an object to stay still and the other being wants the object to move, what happens? No scenario leads to them both being omnipotent.