If humanity discovers every fact about the universe will we prove/disprove God?

[God lover]

Not to speak for others, but I imagine he gets his "ideas" (if you want to call an observed and established occurrence an "idea") from logic, science, and evidence.

You should let him speak on this I think.

But you are right. He is a logical person and we all try to use our best logic against what we know. Good point

 

[God lover]

I think you are right. The debate will never end.

I should say the debate will never end unless we all die or God takes us to a knowledge of himself.

 

[God lover]

Yes I have no idea either, but I do know that he is not what most Christians believe him to be, that is the old boy in the sky lol.

We don't think that. Lol. That is classic art and or cartoon imagery. It isn't what the Bible claims. Haha. We would be very gullible in deed peace

 

[God lover]

Evolution, there is no reason, its just what is.

Hi psychoslice. You are going to wake up to a bunch of forum posts about you. (Assuming you're catching a few zzz's down under.) I asked where your ideas came from because I am genuinely curious about the sphere of thought you are in. The painting you use for a profile picture makes me think you might be Hindu. But I don't really know.

You don't have to answer if it males you feel uncomfortable. I just want to learn. I hope this clears things up. Some people treated me like I was trying to fight you. I don't want to fight anyone. We are all in this world together.

 

[Unification]

I, and many others, have come to the conclusion that the only way anyone will ever know if any God or Gods exist(s), is when that God or set of Gods makes themselves empirical. Until that point in time there are only those whom can assert that God(s) is real, and none that can prove it. An overall waste of time, and, if it weren't such a present issue in today's society, pointless discussion that has only a base in philosophy.

In conclusion, even if we found out every single fact in concern to the universe, the chances of a God being proven real are non-existent to my current knowledge.
But there will most certainly be those around who will always assert a Gods place in reality, and still will be unable to prove any such thing.

Very big waste of time seeking "out there." Can only be found internally.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Very big waste of time seeking "out there." Can only be found internally.

My answer is either:

-If by "out there" you mean the universe, I respectfully disagree. Seeking answers and traveling through our universe is a hugely progressive thing. It progresses knowledge and technology more than anything else, but adding population space and gaining more materials is definitely a big part as well.

-If by "..out there. Can only be found internally." you are making some mystic type allusion to God or spiritual things, that concerns me very little. I can also easily equate how little I'm concerned to how little I care.

 

[outhouse]

After every last fact is discovered, will we still debate God's existence?

There is no debate to be had now.

Many theist just end up refusing credible knowledge on the topic.

Man has been defining god concepts for thousands and thousands of years. YOU refuse all of these other concepts.

Your just like me you refuse these thousands of gods, less the one god you have faith in.


I personally see how man created and defined and redefined the concept in full, at will.

 

[outhouse]

self, but there is another part of consciousness that we get to once we escape the "loud" brain/body experience.

You cannot substantiate that claim.

 

[outhouse]

, I don't think this will disprove God

There is no debate, we don't have to disprove god.

He has never been proved to exist outside mythology.

 

[outhouse]

God is real

This gets tricky because it is not substantiated.

Then you have to ask, which man made god are you talking about.

Much of the time, credible education on how the god concept evolved by the study of anthropology and the ethnogenesis of Israelites and monotheism, is just refused by bias alone.

When bias is not used, mans creation and self defining and redefining of the concepts is more then self evident.


In others words ONLY mans hands are all over this.

 

[Deathbydefault]

You cannot substantiate that claim.

There is no debate, we don't have to disprove god.

He has never been proved to exist outside mythology.

This gets tricky because it is not substantiated.

Then you have to ask, which man made god are you talking about.

Much of the time, credible education on how the god concept evolved by the study of anthropology and the ethnogenesis of Israelites and monotheism, is just refused by bias alone.

When bias is not used, mans creation and self defining and redefining of the concepts is more then self evident.


In others words ONLY mans hands are all over this.

This destruction pleases me.

 

[Awoon]

I think this is kind of a non-question because your assuming that mankind can be omniscienct in order to find an omniscient being. I don't think it works that way. I would argue that mankind is not, nor never can be omniscient because our knowledge is as limited by our own physical limitations. So really the debate over god's existence is based on inferring properties as to the nature of the universe based on what we already know. There will always be something we don't know.

If we argue that nature is uniformly governed by natural laws and therefore does not require a creator, we can say "no", because what we don't know would still fit in this naturalistic conception of the universe. its all about the god of the gaps.

Humankind will just invent more language symbols to try and describe the unknown.

 

[God lover]

This gets tricky because it is not substantiated.

Then you have to ask, which man made god are you talking about.

Much of the time, credible education on how the god concept evolved by the study of anthropology and the ethnogenesis of Israelites and monotheism, is just refused by bias alone.

When bias is not used, mans creation and self defining and redefining of the concepts is more then self evident.


In others words ONLY mans hands are all over this.

I think evidence does support God is real. Pepole could argue back and forth about it for ever and not always convince each other otherwise.

Ways to know if God is or is not real might be:

- history (anthropology)
- scientific study of material universe
- personal experience.

Personal experience could be broken down into:
- feelings
- dreams / visions
- experience of prophetic events
- knowledge from God directly by relationship with Him.

Others may dismiss the personal experiences of others. So, each person must press into the personal relationship with God themselves.

 

[outhouse]

I think evidence does support God is real.

There is no credible evidence that supports one out of thousands man has made is real.

Others may dismiss the personal experiences of others

Personal perception is not credible evidence.

- history (anthropology)

Shows only man created these concepts by plagiarizing previous beliefs.

It shows clearly how a government instituted monotheism despite the people not being on board with the change.

- scientific study of material universe

Shows absolutely nothing remotely that can be used as evidence.

 

[outhouse]

Pepole could argue back and forth about it for ever and not always convince each other otherwise.

Its not up for debate though. It is theist trying to prove their faith is correct. Scientifically no gods exist outside mythology.

Belief and definition of gods, generally is due to the geographic location you were born into. Most all, did not gain their faith on reason and logic, nor freedom to choose. Most were born into the current faith they hold.

Escaping this has never been easy.

 

[outhouse]

There is a reason why Judaism, Christianity, and islam all define the concept very differently, each plagiarizing someone else's mythology and changing it to mirror cultural needs, wants and desires.

 

[psychoslice]

I see. We're do your ideas come from?

Well science of course, and a touch of common sense.

 

[George-ananda]

If humanity discovers every fact about the universe will we prove/disprove God?

I think the atheist and theist will then look at each other and at the same time say: I told you I was right

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If we knew every fact, proving god wouldn't matter because we would literally become gods ourselves.

 

[psychoslice]

And in a sense we are droplets of God.