If Jesus was God, explain this verse...

[Brandon Brossett]

And to the statement Christ is in every individual that is not biblical the bible says in Romans 8:9 "if you have not the Spirit of Christ you are none of His"

 

[moorea944]

Rev 12:9 says "satan was cast In the earth to deceive the world" which sounds like he has done a good job.

We wrestle not against flesh and blood. But against ..........., rulers of darkness if this Present world

I totally disagree. We differently wrestle with the flesh. Our sin nature. Jesus did the same. Everyday. What is satan and what is devil? Are they the same person or could it be something else? Could it be something that is personifiied? Remember that Jesus killed the devil in Hebrews 2. So why do people still believe that the devil is still alive? What does satan and devil mean in Hebrew and Greek? Does realy mean a fallen angel? Something to think about.

 

[Brandon Brossett]

I do agree we wrestle with our sin nature (flesh) but it clearly separates the two in scripture. Satan tempted the flesh of Jesus, Paul said he dies daily talking about flesh nature but Paul also said he fought with the beast of Ephesus that clearly separates the two. And you might want to read heb 2:14 again b/c want it says is "that through death he might destroy" not he did destroy

 

[Brandon Brossett]

And also we would have to rip out rev 12th chapter

 

[Unification]

I do agree we wrestle with our sin nature (flesh) but it clearly separates the two in scripture. Satan tempted the flesh of Jesus, Paul said he dies daily talking about flesh nature but Paul also said he fought with the beast of Ephesus that clearly separates the two. And you might want to read heb 2:14 again b/c want it says is "that through death he might destroy" not he did destroy

Jesus was tempted internally by His own thoughts, not a literal evil figure. He was tempted by his thoughts (mind) and what His human nature (flesh) were pulling Him to do. It was only by the Spirit of God that He could defeat these thoughts and desires and create an internal, spiritual kingdom as opposed to an earthly physical empire. Here is where the difference comes in between the spiritual and the natural. We defeat the ego/pride/flesh/carnality .... The Satan..... Internally. What the natural doesn't see is that this Satan was defeated internally (crucifixion) (Golgatha- place of the skull: the mind) of natural man and raised a new spiritual man. This process happens inside of an individual. Spiritual transformation. Divine unity between husband and wife (Spirit and body). The entire process of Jesus and His words happened inside these individuals who have testimony. Die in Christ and also resurrect in Christ. Old natural man left behind, new spiritual man taken. Cleansed and washed by the Word of God and destruction of sinful nature internally... Or in other words the natural man will see this as Noah entering a boat and God destroying human's. Spiritual man enters God's rest (ark) by the washing of water(meditation) of The Word spoken within, and our created empire of our soul internally is destroyed. . Baptism of fire and water. And raised a new spiritual being. The natural man will worship Satan without even knowing, blaming a fake figure for this worlds mess when essentially it's a battle in between the ears... At the mind and conscious. Mans will and empire vs Gods will.

 

[moorea944]

And also we would have to rip out rev 12th chapter

Revelation is symbollic. .......

 

[moorea944]

I do agree we wrestle with our sin nature (flesh) but it clearly separates the two in scripture. Satan tempted the flesh of Jesus, Paul said he dies daily talking about flesh nature but Paul also said he fought with the beast of Ephesus that clearly separates the two. And you might want to read heb 2:14 again b/c want it says is "that through death he might destroy" not he did destroy

Jesus destroyed the devil through his death. What is the death that they are talkinga about? Who has the power of death? It is sin. If you sin you die. Sin is personified and called a devil. Devil in Greek is a false accuser, slanderer. Has nothing to do with a fallen angel. Angels do not sin. Satan is an untranslated word meaning a adversary. Satan is an untranslated word, it shouldnt even be in our bibles as "satan". New bibles now dont even have satan in it. They have the correct meaning, adversary.

 

[Brandon Brossett]

You have no scripture on your opinion. If all you can do is blame it on the Bible translation does not hold water sorry

 

[Brandon Brossett]

With your beliefs you reason away the whole bible which leaves you free reign to live how you want to live. Satan deceives very well

 

[Desert Snake]

Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

If Jesus was God, why was he tempted by the Devil? Can God be tempted by the Devil, his own creation?

Granted, he passed the test. But if he was God... Why was there a test in the first place? Does God need to test himself?

Are God and Jesus really one in the same? Please answer logically how this is possible given the verse above.

Jesus the man was partially separated from the father. The thing is, the 'father' is actually Jesus in essence, that is why jesus said the only way to know the father is through Him, etc. The point that people get confused by, is thinking that Jesus is a totally 'normal' man like us, and was somehow getting ''messages'' from a deity. It's about shifting ones understanding of what the religious message of the Bible is. If we view Jesus through the lens of Judaism or Islam, it doesn't work.

 

[Brandon Brossett]

John 10:30 I and my father are one and Isaiah 9:6 says his name shall be called everlasting father I could go on.

God created man for fellowship. God said sin causes death and sin separates us from God and God from his creation b/c he cannot lie. Let me jump straight over Old Testament sacrifices. We could all agree that there has to be a sacrifice but it had to be without spot or blemish/without sin and all have sinned so no one could be the sacrifice but God himself 1tim3:16 "God was matifested in the Flesh". This why the Pharisees would say "who can forgive sins but God" exactly He was God

 

[nothead]

John 10:30 I and my father are one and Isaiah 9:6 says his name shall be called everlasting father I could go on.

His name was called Jesus, and no one is recorded calling him "everlasting father." But he did COME in the name of his Father, and his authority was from...his everlasting Father.

Jn 10 makes NO sense unless you know Elohim Theology: Jesus own retort to the accusation "you have made yourself a god."

1) Psalm 82 "ye are elohim." Said OTHERS were called "elohim" the "sons of the most high." Thus the precedent was set already and thus he did not blaspheme. There is no OTHER EXPLANATION for bringing up intermediate "elohim" who were NOT God Almighty, or YHWH Elohim...unless he too was saying HE was intermediate "elohim" of lesser ontology than, and of lesser authority than his own God.

God created man for fellowship. God said sin causes death and sin separates us from God and God from his creation b/c he cannot lie. Let me jump straight over Old Testament sacrifices. We could all agree that there has to be a sacrifice but it had to be without spot or blemish/without sin and all have sinned so no one could be the sacrifice but God himself 1tim3:16 "God was matifested in the Flesh". This why the Pharisees would say "who can forgive sins but God" exactly He was God.

Why do you insist he is God, when he never SAID it? Do you actually conform to scripture, or rather your Apostolic elders, sir? Plain text never SAID Jesus is God. It never will, since well, HE AIN'T.

 

[nothead]

Jesus the man was partially separated from the father. The thing is, the 'father' is actually Jesus in essence, that is why jesus said the only way to know the father is through Him, etc. The point that people get confused by, is thinking that Jesus is a totally 'normal' man like us, and was somehow getting ''messages'' from a deity. It's about shifting ones understanding of what the religious message of the Bible is. If we view Jesus through the lens of Judaism or Islam, it doesn't work.

Jesus IS not the Father in any sense at all, except by Spirit. He is HEN with the Father by Spirit, as believers are too, in trickled down fashion. Jn 17:

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

THOU hast loved ME, since thou art me and me art thou? See how you smudge plain text?

 

[Brandon Brossett]

His name was called Jesus, and no one is recorded calling him "everlasting father." But he did COME in the name of his Father, and his authority was from...his everlasting Father.

Jn 10 makes NO sense unless you know Elohim Theology: Jesus own retort to the accusation "you have made yourself a god."

1) Psalm 82 "ye are elohim." Said OTHERS were called "elohim" the "sons of the most high." Thus the precedent was set already and thus he did not blaspheme. There is no OTHER EXPLANATION for bringing up intermediate "elohim" who were NOT God Almighty, or YHWH Elohim...unless he too was saying HE was intermediate "elohim" of lesser ontology than, and of lesser authority than his own God.



Why do you insist he is God, when he never SAID it? Do you actually conform to scripture, or rather your Apostolic elders, sir? Plain text never SAID Jesus is God. It never will, since well, HE AIN'T.

You sound like the Pharisees who had problem with Him forgiving sins when they said who can forgive sins but God
Exactly, Even though no one called him directly, Isaiah said his name will be everlasting Father, John 14 Phillip said show us the Father He says if you seen me you seen the Father. The bible says no man hath seen God because God is Spirit and that same Spirit robe himself in flesh and was born of a virgin. 1 Tim 3:16
God was matifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles( the father was not preached unto the Gentiles but Jesus was), received up to glory(God was received up to glory)

Also plain text never says exactly a lot if things that are right. Jehovah said I am alpha and omega in OT Jesus said same thing in revelations, I am First and the Last, in the beginning was word the was God and Word became flesh. So God is not three "persons" but He is one which matifested himself.

 

[Nada]

Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

If Jesus was God, why was he tempted by the Devil? Can God be tempted by the Devil, his own creation?

Granted, he passed the test. But if he was God... Why was there a test in the first place? Does God need to test himself?

Are God and Jesus really one in the same? Please answer logically how this is possible given the verse above.

Yes,this is true.God can not be tempted by evil nor does he tempt with evil.James 1:13
Jesus was obviously a servant of God and not God the Almighty Himself.Satan the Devil would never dare ask God to bow down to him and show an act of worship.God the Almighty created the angel known as satan.Many are confused because of false doctrines.

 

[Nada]

You sound like the Pharisees who had problem with Him forgiving sins when they said who can forgive sins but God
Exactly, Even though no one called him directly, Isaiah said his name will be everlasting Father, John 14 Phillip said show us the Father He says if you seen me you seen the Father. The bible says no man hath seen God because God is Spirit and that same Spirit robe himself in flesh and was born of a virgin. 1 Tim 3:16
God was matifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles( the father was not preached unto the Gentiles but Jesus was), received up to glory(God was received up to glory)

Also plain text never says exactly a lot if things that are right. Jehovah said I am alpha and omega in OT Jesus said same thing in revelations, I am First and the Last, in the beginning was word the was God and Word became flesh. So God is not three "persons" but He is one which matifested himself.

Jesus is not God the Almighty.When it says that he will be called everlasting father,it does not mean that Jesus is God the Almighty.What it is referring to is that Jesus has become like a father to us by teaching us the truth and making us like his children.Spiritually.Just as Adam was our biological father,so it is with true christians who adhere to the teachings of Christ.Jesus redeemed us by becoming the ransom sacrifice.He has given us life again.A new chance for salvation.Hence,everlasting father.

 

[Brandon Brossett]

So lets just tare scripture out of the bible ye know not who ye worship

 

[Brandon Brossett]

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His name was called Jesus, and no one is recorded calling him "everlasting father." But he did COME in the name of his Father, and his authority was from...his everlasting Father.

Jn 10 makes NO sense unless you know Elohim Theology: Jesus own retort to the accusation "you have made yourself a god."

1) Psalm 82 "ye are elohim." Said OTHERS were called "elohim" the "sons of the most high." Thus the precedent was set already and thus he did not blaspheme. There is no OTHER EXPLANATION for bringing up intermediate "elohim" who were NOT God Almighty, or YHWH Elohim...unless he too was saying HE was intermediate "elohim" of lesser ontology than, and of lesser authority than his own God.



Why do you insist he is God, when he never SAID it? Do you actually conform to scripture, or rather your Apostolic elders, sir? Plain text never SAID Jesus is God. It never will, since well, HE AIN'T.

emanuel God with us

 

[Nada]

Jesus=Jehovah is salvation.
Elijah=Jehovah is God.
Hallelujah=Praise to Jehovah
Jehovah=He causes to become

 

[Brandon Brossett]

His name was called Jesus, and no one is recorded calling him "everlasting father." But he did COME in the name of his Father, and his authority was from...his everlasting Father.

Jn 10 makes NO sense unless you know Elohim Theology: Jesus own retort to the accusation "you have made yourself a god."

1) Psalm 82 "ye are elohim." Said OTHERS were called "elohim" the "sons of the most high." Thus the precedent was set already and thus he did not blaspheme. There is no OTHER EXPLANATION for bringing up intermediate "elohim" who were NOT God Almighty, or YHWH Elohim...unless he too was saying HE was intermediate "elohim" of lesser ontology than, and of lesser authority than his own God.



Why do you insist he is God, when he never SAID it? Do you actually conform to scripture, or rather your Apostolic elders, sir? Plain text never SAID Jesus is God. It never will, since well, HE AIN'T.

Jesus said go ye into all the world baptizing in the Name of the father, Son, and Holy Ghost and all of his apostles which heard him that day baptized in the Name of Jesus so either they rebeled Jesus or they understood the what The Name of father, son, and Holy Ghost was