If Paul's books are wrong than so are

[Riverwolf]

Yes, the one that you have chosen to be the deity you worship and obey, if in fact that is all a part of whatever way you understand it to be.

How can I obey something that does not talk? Not to mention I haven't decided whether or not I'm even going to worship God, and if I do, which aspect I'm going to focus on.

I never made the statement that you owned anything. Sorry you misunderstood what I was simply trying to convey to you.

I didn't misunderstand. I was just remarking upon the word choice you were using, which I feel is very inappropriate.

Well, my El being the Elohim of Avraham, the Elohim of Yitz'chak and the Elohim of Ya'akov which gave said command did so that man would not commit an act of sin. An example of that would be that man wanted something that someone else had so bad that he made the conscience decision to steal that item for himself.

Don't steal because it's bad? That's what you answer amounts to. I am aware of the reason for the necessity of the commandment.

The reason it exists at all is because all belongs to God.

 

[Heneni]

Paul is completely disconnected from the OT by Time, He was writing Post Jesus. After his conversion he was sent to preach to the gentiles and was a tireless worker for the new Church.

Hi terry! Whats up? Ok is see your point. But our lord jesus was disconnected from the OT by about fourhundred years as well. That did not have an impact on him.

However he never had the benefit like the other apostles to have been taught by Jesus as he had never met him in person.

So now that paul is out of his time, i believe that god must have taken special care in revealing the mysteries of the gospel to him that he did.Paul did meet jesus on the road to damascus. I believe that paul recieved special revelation about the salvation plan of god after jesus died, because before jesus died nobody really understood it! Paul's letters explain the gospel to the gentiles, whereas I believe that most of the parables in the gospels are for the jews. (Many will disagree on that point i guess) But that which jesus did speak plainly about, paul simply expanded on. Like loving god and loving our neighbour, and having a good heart, and suffering.....etc.

Heneni

 

[gwk230]

How can I obey something that does not talk?

　
Sounds like you have a personal dilemma.
　

Not to mention I haven't decided whether or not I'm even going to worship God, and if I do, which aspect I'm going to focus on.

　
Sounds like you are in a bit of a personal crisis.
　

I didn't misunderstand. I was just remarking upon the word choice you were using, which I feel is very inappropriate.

　
Sorry that you “feel” that way but my use of the word “choice” wasn’t intended to have any influence on your feelings one way or the other.
　

Don't steal because it's bad? That's what you answer amounts to. I am aware of the reason for the necessity of the commandment.
The reason it exists at all is because all belongs to God.

　
O.k. thank you for your thoughts and feelings.

 

[Riverwolf]

　
Sounds like you have a personal dilemma.

Nope.

How can something that doesn't have a mouth and vocal cords talk?
　

Sounds like you are in a bit of a personal crisis.

Nope. I just have to learn more about God first, and his other major aspects.
　

Sorry that you “feel” that way but my use of the word “choice” wasn’t intended to have any influence on your feelings one way or the other.

That's not what I'm talking about.

When I hear the phrase "your god" or "my god," it bothers me, because it implies ownership, even though that's not what's meant.

That's what I'm talking about.
　

O.k. thank you for your thoughts and feelings.

No problem.

 

[gwk230]

Shaul’s message in no way shape or form went outside of the message of Yahshua Ha Moshiach Ben Dawid. They both taught and upheld the whole of the Torah and obeyed it to the fullest extent. Most only make incorrect statements about Shaul without having any real evidence or proof. Just wagging their tongues and bringing false witness against a brother and apostle of Yahshua. All of the negative light that most shed on Shaul is done so by using lines from letters that where meant to specific people, or peoples, that already have an understanding and knowledge of the truth. When certain things are said in the letters it is already understood by those that the letters were meant for. Not those today that only think and feel their way though the meanings and intents of others that they have no real knowledge of.

 

[gwk230]

Nope.
How can something that doesn't have a mouth and vocal cords talk?

　
Oh I see. Not sure about the so called god you are into but mine can’t have limitations put on him. It is written that he spoke to Moshe through a malach at Mt. Sinai and gave to him the Torah which Moshe was commanded to write down. This is how my El speaks to me. Through those writings. I also believe that if he wanted to talk to me then he would without limitations. I do wonder though, being you seem to be such the authority on the subject and all, how you know that my El has no mouth or vocal cords?
　

Nope. I just have to learn more about God first, and his other major aspects.

　
Here’s hoping you find what you deserve.
　

That's not what I'm talking about.
　
When I hear the phrase "your god" or "my god," it bothers me, because it implies ownership, even though that's not what's meant.

　
Oh so you did misunderstand me. It is not what was implied. Just as Yah stated that he would be their Elohim, it shows that he gave himself to them to be theirs those that would accept and obey. Therefore he is mine as he said. Not by what you think and feel as being said. But by what is simply and plainly written. I do completely understand your confusion though and can only hope that you will be given the eyes and ears to understanding of truth and not be bothered so much and have all these confusions.

 

[Riverwolf]

　
Oh I see. Not sure about the so called god you are into but mine can’t have limitations put on him. It is written that he spoke to Moshe through a malach at Mt. Sinai and gave to him the Torah which Moshe was commanded to write down. This is how my El speaks to me. Through those writings. I also believe that if he wanted to talk to me then he would without limitations. I do wonder though, being you seem to be such the authority on the subject and all, how you know that my El has no mouth or vocal cords?

Never said Yah didn't.

I never placed any limitations on God. I said God doesn't, not can't. But God can speak through aspects, such as your El.

BTW, I'm not too much of an authority; I'm just giving my beliefs on God.
　

Here’s hoping you find what you deserve.

　
We'll see. "Seek and ye shall find."
　

Oh so you did misunderstand me. It is not what was implied. Just as Yah stated that he would be their Elohim, it shows that he gave himself to them to be theirs those that would accept and obey. Therefore he is mine as he said. Not by what you think and feel as being said. But by what is simply and plainly written. I do completely understand your confusion though and can only hope that you will be given the eyes and ears to understanding of truth and not be bothered so much and have all these confusions.

I'm not confused by the concept you're providing; it makes perfect sense. I just don't like the wording used. "Your" and "my" are possessive, and are therefore used to indicate possession. It is better to say "the God I worship."

Besides, I don't believe truth can just come to you; you have to find it, which I am through study. But I can only study one thing at a time, and the Bible isn't the only place where God's words can be found.

 

[blackout]

"vocal cords/chords" are resonant meaning connections/connectors.

All things speak, as you are inclined to listen & hear.

 

[gwk230]

Never said Yah didn't.

Good because I don’t think anyone has so much knowledge as to say what Yah either has or doesn’t unless it is written as such. Otherwise it is only ones baseless opinion.

BTW, I'm not too much of an authority; I'm just giving my beliefs on God.

My mistake. Your text reads as if you are proclaiming a well known fact though. I will in the future read it as your beliefs only.

I'm not confused by the concept you're providing; it makes perfect sense. I just don't like the wording used. "Your" and "my" are possessive, and are therefore used to indicate possession. It is better to say "the God I worship."

Tomato, Toma(h)to. Potato, Pata(h)to. You speak as you wish and I will get over yours as you will mine. LOL


You need to go and re-write everywhere it is so used in the bible then since it bothers you so much.


Just in the KJV the text that states “My god” as a man would proclaim is used here…………..


Gen_28:21; Exo_15:2; Num_22:18; Deu_4:5; Deu_18:16; Deu_26:14; Jos_9:23; Jos_14:8; Jos_14:9; Rth_1:16; 2Sa_22:7; 2Sa_22:22; 2Sa_22:30; 2Sa_24:24; 1Ki_3:7; 1Ki_5:4; 1Ki_5:5; 1Ki_8:28; 1Ki_17:20; 1Ki_17:21; 1Ch_11:19; 1Ch_17:25; 1Ch_21:17; 1Ch_22:7; 1Ch_28:20; 1Ch_29:2; 1Ch_29:3; 1Ch_29:17; 2Ch_2:4; 2Ch_6:19; 2Ch_6:40; 2Ch_18:13; Ezr_7:28; Ezr_9:5; Ezr_9:6; Neh_2:8; Neh_2:12; Neh_2:18; Neh_5:19; Neh_6:14; Neh_7:5; Neh_13:14; Neh_13:22; Neh_13:29; Neh_13:31; Psa_3:7; Psa_5:2; Psa_7:1; Psa_7:3; Psa_13:3; Psa_18:2; Psa_18:6; Psa_18:21; Psa_18:28; Psa_18:29; Psa_22:1; Psa_22:2; Psa_22:10; Psa_25:2; Psa_30:2; Psa_30:12; Psa_31:14; Psa_35:23; Psa_35:24; Psa_38:15; Psa_38:21; Psa_40:5; Psa_40:8; Psa_40:17; Psa_42:6; Psa_42:11; Psa_43:4; Psa_43:5; Psa_59:1; Psa_63:1; Psa_68:24; Psa_69:3; Psa_71:4; Psa_71:12; Psa_71:22; Psa_83:13; Psa_84:3; Psa_84:10; Psa_86:2; Psa_86:12; Psa_89:26; Psa_91:2; Psa_94:22; Psa_102:24; Psa_104:1; Psa_104:33; Psa_109:26; Psa_118:28; Psa_119:115; Psa_140:6; Psa_143:10; Psa_145:1; Psa_146:2; Pro_30:9; Isa_7:13; Isa_25:1; Isa_40:27; Isa_44:17; Isa_49:4; Isa_49:5; Isa_57:21; Isa_61:10; Jer_31:18; Dan_4:8; Dan_6:22; Dan_9:4; Dan_9:18; Dan_9:19; Dan_9:20; Hos_2:23; Hos_8:2; Hos_9:8; Hos_9:17; Joe_1:13; Jon_2:6; Mic_7:7; Hab_1:12; Zec_11:4; Zec_13:9; Zec_14:5; Mat_27:46; Mar_15:34; Joh_20:17; Joh_20:28; Rom_1:8; 1Co_1:4; 1Co_14:18; 2Co_12:21; Php_1:3; Php_4:19; Phm_1:4; Rev_3:12;


And in the KJV the text that states “Your god” as Elohim, or men, would proclaim it unto men is used here…………


Gen_43:23; Exo_6:7; Exo_8:25; Exo_8:28; Exo_10:8; Exo_10:16; Exo_10:17; Exo_16:12; Exo_23:25; Lev_11:44; Lev_11:45; Lev_18:2; Lev_18:4; Lev_18:30; Lev_19:2; Lev_19:3; Lev_19:4; Lev_19:10; Lev_19:25; Lev_19:31; Lev_19:34; Lev_19:36; Lev_20:7; Lev_20:24; Lev_22:25; Lev_22:33; Lev_23:14; Lev_23:22; Lev_23:28; Lev_23:40; Lev_23:43; Lev_24:22; Lev_25:17; Lev_25:38; Lev_25:55; Lev_26:1; Lev_26:12; Lev_26:13; Num_10:9; Num_10:10; Num_15:40; Num_15:41; Deu_1:10; Deu_1:26; Deu_1:30; Deu_1:32; Deu_3:18; Deu_3:20; Deu_3:21; Deu_3:22; Deu_4:2; Deu_4:4; Deu_4:23; Deu_4:34; Deu_5:32; Deu_5:33; Deu_6:1; Deu_6:16; Deu_6:17; Deu_8:20; Deu_9:16; Deu_9:23; Deu_10:17; Deu_11:2; Deu_11:13; Deu_11:22; Deu_11:25; Deu_11:27; Deu_11:28; Deu_11:31; Deu_12:4; Deu_12:5; Deu_12:7; Deu_12:9; Deu_12:10; Deu_12:11; Deu_12:12; Deu_13:3; Deu_13:4; Deu_13:5; Deu_14:1; Deu_20:4; Deu_20:18; Deu_29:6; Deu_29:10; Deu_31:12; Deu_31:13; Deu_31:26; Jos_1:11; Jos_1:13; Jos_1:15; Jos_2:11; Jos_3:3; Jos_3:9; Jos_4:5; Jos_4:23; Jos_4:24; Jos_8:7; Jos_10:19; Jos_22:3; Jos_22:4; Jos_22:5; Jos_23:3; Jos_23:5; Jos_23:8; Jos_23:10; Jos_23:11; Jos_23:13; Jos_23:14; Jos_23:15; Jos_23:16; Jos_24:27; Jdg_6:10; 1Sa_10:19; 1Sa_12:12; 1Sa_12:14; 2Ki_17:39; 2Ki_23:21; 1Ch_22:18; 1Ch_22:19; 1Ch_28:8; 1Ch_29:20; 2Ch_20:20; 2Ch_24:5; 2Ch_28:10; 2Ch_30:8; 2Ch_30:9; 2Ch_32:14; 2Ch_32:15; 2Ch_35:3; Ezr_4:2; Ezr_7:17; Ezr_7:18; Neh_8:9; Neh_9:5; Psa_76:11; Isa_35:4; Isa_40:1; Isa_40:9; Isa_59:2; Jer_7:23; Jer_11:4; Jer_13:16; Jer_26:13; Jer_30:22; Jer_42:4; Jer_42:13; Jer_42:20; Jer_42:21; Eze_20:5; Eze_20:7; Eze_20:19; Eze_20:20; Eze_34:31; Eze_36:28; Dan_2:47; Hos_1:9; Joe_1:13; Joe_1:14; Joe_2:13; Joe_2:14; Joe_2:23; Joe_2:26; Joe_2:27; Joe_3:17; Amo_5:26; Zec_6:15; Joh_8:54; Joh_20:17; Act_3:22; Act_7:37; Act_7:43;


You have your work cut out for you. Have fun.

Besides, I don't believe truth can just come to you;

Good. You shouldn’t believe such. I am by far only one and there are many that have truth. There are many that have it and choose not to accept it as well. There are many that think they have it and truth be told that haven’t got a clue. Do I know it all? By no means. I learn something new everyday. I even make mistakes but nothing I do is out of maliciousness or hatred. I love Yah and his word I do keep to the best of my ability. That is all I can do. What others choose to do or believe is totally up to them which doesn’t effect me at all. They will answer for themselves as I will answer for me.

you have to find it, which I am through study. But I can only study one thing at a time, and the Bible isn't the only place where God's words can be found.

Again, I hope you find what you deserve.

 

[blackout]

Again, I hope you find what you deserve.

What is this "I hope you find what you deserve" garbage.

People 'find' what they are most inclined to see.

Most people are underserving of a GREAT deal of what comes their way.
either good, or bad.

Everyone's dealt a hand.

How you play it from there on in, is a matter of intellegence & wisdom, intuition & chance/opportunity.
(or the lack there of)

 

[gwk230]

What is this "I hope you find what you deserve" garbage.


People 'find' what they are most inclined to see.


Most people are underserving of a GREAT deal of what comes their way.


either good, or bad.


Everyone's dealt a hand.


How you play it from there on in, is a matter of intellegence & wisdom, intuition & chance/opportunity.

Hello Ultra Violet,


My meaning for such a statement stems from my own personal belief’s. Sure everyone is dealt a hand that can be either way as you stated and most people do find and or just come across things out of the blue. But, I also believe that if one is truly searching for Yah with a true conscience and with all of their heart and mind then they will find what they are looking for. I do not know people on here personally and do not claim to know their conscience. I do, however, believe that Yah does and will deal with them accordingly. They will get what they deserve as he sees fit and not how man does. This is why I said what I did about hoping that they find what they deserve. For only Yah knows what they deserve.


You have a great day now ya’hear?

 

[fantome profane]

There are other verses throughout the NT from other authors and more from Paul as well. However to single handedly cast Paul as the person with an Agenda against women is pretty ridiculous. Unless of course you feel the same about the entire bible.
Sarah, called Abraham her Lord. Being in subjection to your husband is hardly something new Paul came up with.

Of course as a man I know in our day and age how this is perceived, but there is a flip side to this. Peter spoke about it in 1st Peter ch 3.

I find it interesting that Storm made a specific accusation that Paul usurped the message of Jesus, and in response to this specific accusation you and others have made the comparison between Paul’s teachings and the OT and to the writings attributed to Peter. This does not address the question. The question is looking for a comparison between the teachings of Paul and the teachings of Jesus.

The most interesting things about Jesus is that his teachings were at the time revolutionary. Not that he contradicted the OT, but that he did reinterpret it and go beyond it. So the question is did Paul continue this revolutionary message of love, compassion and equality, or did he take it in another direction (or revert to the original path).

So did Jesus ever speak of women remaining silent? Did Christ ever speak of women being subservient to their husbands? Did Jesus ever speak of women as being the weaker vessel?

 

[Mr Cheese]

So did Jesus ever speak of women remaining silent? Did Christ ever speak of women being subservient to their husbands? Did Jesus ever speak of women as being the weaker vessel?

dont think so...

but Paul did say:


33-34God does not want things to be out of order. He wants peace in the church meeting. In all the churches of God's people, the women should be quiet in the church meetings. They must not be allowed to talk. They must obey. The holy writings say this also. 35If the women want to know something, they should ask their own husbands at home. It is a shame for a woman to talk in a church meeting.

5But any woman who talks to God or speaks words from God with her head not covered brings shame on her head. She is just the same as a woman who has cut off all her hair.

6If a woman does not cover her head, she might as well cut off her hair. But if it is a shame for a woman to cut off her hair, or to shave her head, then she should have her head covered.
7A man does not need to cover his head because he was made like God is. Man is God's glory. Woman is man's glory.
8Man was not made from woman, but woman was made from man.
9And man was not made for woman, but woman was made for man.
10She should show this by having her head covered, because of the angels.
11But the Lord did not make woman without man, and he did not make man without woman. 12As woman comes from man, so man is born by woman. And everything comes from God.

 

[blackout]

Hello Ultra Violet,


My meaning for such a statement stems from my own personal belief’s. Sure everyone is dealt a hand that can be either way as you stated and most people do find and or just come across things out of the blue. But, I also believe that if one is truly searching for Yah with a true conscience and with all of their heart and mind then they will find what they are looking for. I do not know people on here personally and do not claim to know their conscience. I do, however, believe that Yah does and will deal with them accordingly. They will get what they deserve as he sees fit and not how man does. This is why I said what I did about hoping that they find what they deserve. For only Yah knows what they deserve.


You have a great day now ya’hear?

Yah. You too.








lol. I used to call gOd Yah. and Jesus YahShua.
It brings back...erm... memories.... lolol.

 

[Riverwolf]

Good because I don’t think anyone has so much knowledge as to say what Yah either has or doesn’t unless it is written as such. Otherwise it is only ones baseless opinion.

Nope. Even the Sages only have so much knowledge based on the Scriptures they've proclaimed to be Most Holy.

My mistake. Your text reads as if you are proclaiming a well known fact though. I will in the future read it as your beliefs only.

Then I also get to say "my mistake," for wording my arguments like that. I was getting overly excited from my newfound knowledge. :sorry1:

Tomato, Toma(h)to. Potato, Pata(h)to. You speak as you wish and I will get over yours as you will mine. LOL

Pronunciation of words is not the same as word-usage.

You need to go and re-write everywhere it is so used in the bible then since it bothers you so much.


Just in the KJV the text that states “My god” as a man would proclaim is used here…………..


Gen_28:21; Exo_15:2; Num_22:18; Deu_4:5; Deu_18:16; Deu_26:14; Jos_9:23; Jos_14:8; Jos_14:9; Rth_1:16; 2Sa_22:7; 2Sa_22:22; 2Sa_22:30; 2Sa_24:24; 1Ki_3:7; 1Ki_5:4; 1Ki_5:5; 1Ki_8:28; 1Ki_17:20; 1Ki_17:21; 1Ch_11:19; 1Ch_17:25; 1Ch_21:17; 1Ch_22:7; 1Ch_28:20; 1Ch_29:2; 1Ch_29:3; 1Ch_29:17; 2Ch_2:4; 2Ch_6:19; 2Ch_6:40; 2Ch_18:13; Ezr_7:28; Ezr_9:5; Ezr_9:6; Neh_2:8; Neh_2:12; Neh_2:18; Neh_5:19; Neh_6:14; Neh_7:5; Neh_13:14; Neh_13:22; Neh_13:29; Neh_13:31; Psa_3:7; Psa_5:2; Psa_7:1; Psa_7:3; Psa_13:3; Psa_18:2; Psa_18:6; Psa_18:21; Psa_18:28; Psa_18:29; Psa_22:1; Psa_22:2; Psa_22:10; Psa_25:2; Psa_30:2; Psa_30:12; Psa_31:14; Psa_35:23; Psa_35:24; Psa_38:15; Psa_38:21; Psa_40:5; Psa_40:8; Psa_40:17; Psa_42:6; Psa_42:11; Psa_43:4; Psa_43:5; Psa_59:1; Psa_63:1; Psa_68:24; Psa_69:3; Psa_71:4; Psa_71:12; Psa_71:22; Psa_83:13; Psa_84:3; Psa_84:10; Psa_86:2; Psa_86:12; Psa_89:26; Psa_91:2; Psa_94:22; Psa_102:24; Psa_104:1; Psa_104:33; Psa_109:26; Psa_118:28; Psa_119:115; Psa_140:6; Psa_143:10; Psa_145:1; Psa_146:2; Pro_30:9; Isa_7:13; Isa_25:1; Isa_40:27; Isa_44:17; Isa_49:4; Isa_49:5; Isa_57:21; Isa_61:10; Jer_31:18; Dan_4:8; Dan_6:22; Dan_9:4; Dan_9:18; Dan_9:19; Dan_9:20; Hos_2:23; Hos_8:2; Hos_9:8; Hos_9:17; Joe_1:13; Jon_2:6; Mic_7:7; Hab_1:12; Zec_11:4; Zec_13:9; Zec_14:5; Mat_27:46; Mar_15:34; Joh_20:17; Joh_20:28; Rom_1:8; 1Co_1:4; 1Co_14:18; 2Co_12:21; Php_1:3; Php_4:19; Phm_1:4; Rev_3:12;


And in the KJV the text that states “Your god” as Elohim, or men, would proclaim it unto men is used here…………


Gen_43:23; Exo_6:7; Exo_8:25; Exo_8:28; Exo_10:8; Exo_10:16; Exo_10:17; Exo_16:12; Exo_23:25; Lev_11:44; Lev_11:45; Lev_18:2; Lev_18:4; Lev_18:30; Lev_19:2; Lev_19:3; Lev_19:4; Lev_19:10; Lev_19:25; Lev_19:31; Lev_19:34; Lev_19:36; Lev_20:7; Lev_20:24; Lev_22:25; Lev_22:33; Lev_23:14; Lev_23:22; Lev_23:28; Lev_23:40; Lev_23:43; Lev_24:22; Lev_25:17; Lev_25:38; Lev_25:55; Lev_26:1; Lev_26:12; Lev_26:13; Num_10:9; Num_10:10; Num_15:40; Num_15:41; Deu_1:10; Deu_1:26; Deu_1:30; Deu_1:32; Deu_3:18; Deu_3:20; Deu_3:21; Deu_3:22; Deu_4:2; Deu_4:4; Deu_4:23; Deu_4:34; Deu_5:32; Deu_5:33; Deu_6:1; Deu_6:16; Deu_6:17; Deu_8:20; Deu_9:16; Deu_9:23; Deu_10:17; Deu_11:2; Deu_11:13; Deu_11:22; Deu_11:25; Deu_11:27; Deu_11:28; Deu_11:31; Deu_12:4; Deu_12:5; Deu_12:7; Deu_12:9; Deu_12:10; Deu_12:11; Deu_12:12; Deu_13:3; Deu_13:4; Deu_13:5; Deu_14:1; Deu_20:4; Deu_20:18; Deu_29:6; Deu_29:10; Deu_31:12; Deu_31:13; Deu_31:26; Jos_1:11; Jos_1:13; Jos_1:15; Jos_2:11; Jos_3:3; Jos_3:9; Jos_4:5; Jos_4:23; Jos_4:24; Jos_8:7; Jos_10:19; Jos_22:3; Jos_22:4; Jos_22:5; Jos_23:3; Jos_23:5; Jos_23:8; Jos_23:10; Jos_23:11; Jos_23:13; Jos_23:14; Jos_23:15; Jos_23:16; Jos_24:27; Jdg_6:10; 1Sa_10:19; 1Sa_12:12; 1Sa_12:14; 2Ki_17:39; 2Ki_23:21; 1Ch_22:18; 1Ch_22:19; 1Ch_28:8; 1Ch_29:20; 2Ch_20:20; 2Ch_24:5; 2Ch_28:10; 2Ch_30:8; 2Ch_30:9; 2Ch_32:14; 2Ch_32:15; 2Ch_35:3; Ezr_4:2; Ezr_7:17; Ezr_7:18; Neh_8:9; Neh_9:5; Psa_76:11; Isa_35:4; Isa_40:1; Isa_40:9; Isa_59:2; Jer_7:23; Jer_11:4; Jer_13:16; Jer_26:13; Jer_30:22; Jer_42:4; Jer_42:13; Jer_42:20; Jer_42:21; Eze_20:5; Eze_20:7; Eze_20:19; Eze_20:20; Eze_34:31; Eze_36:28; Dan_2:47; Hos_1:9; Joe_1:13; Joe_1:14; Joe_2:13; Joe_2:14; Joe_2:23; Joe_2:26; Joe_2:27; Joe_3:17; Amo_5:26; Zec_6:15; Joh_8:54; Joh_20:17; Act_3:22; Act_7:37; Act_7:43;


You have your work cut out for you. Have fun.

It bothers me regardless of where it's used, but if it's used in a book whose authors are dead, then I just accept that it is the wording they chose to use, however poor it may be. It also may be that it worked great in Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek, but it doesn't work in English.

I am a bit of a Grammar-cop.

Good. You shouldn’t believe such. I am by far only one and there are many that have truth. There are many that have it and choose not to accept it as well. There are many that think they have it and truth be told that haven’t got a clue. Do I know it all? By no means. I learn something new everyday. I even make mistakes but nothing I do is out of maliciousness or hatred. I love Yah and his word I do keep to the best of my ability. That is all I can do. What others choose to do or believe is totally up to them which doesn’t effect me at all. They will answer for themselves as I will answer for me.

Well, total Love and Devotion for God, regardless of how he's named, is the end of all Paths. If you have that, you have reached the peak of Spirituality. (At least in my opinion.)

Again, I hope you find what you deserve.

Indeed, we shall see.

 

[gwk230]

I am a bit of a Grammar-cop.

　
Well I guess as long as you continue to read what i have to say then it will continue to bother you because I just don't see it your way and will continue to say that Yah is MY El and since he is MINE I will continue to state as much. So cop away.
　

Well, total Love and Devotion for God, regardless of how he's named, is the end of all Paths. If you have that, you have reached the peak of Spirituality. (At least in my opinion.)

　
I can understand why you would feel that way. I just have to go by what is written and I am told that names have meaning and power. My El has a name and it means "Life" and "Existence". There be no other real name for that is the name he gave unto Moshe at Mt. Sinai. I’m further told that My Moshiach has a name and it is Yahshua which means “Yah is salvation”. I am even further told that in……….
　
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
　
As well as I am commanded by Torah……….
　
Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
　
So I have to disagree with you on the “Whatever name” opinion you have. But hey, I can do that right? As you will most instinctively disagree with me as has been your nature to this point. Yah willing the sun will still rise in the morning. :yes:

 

[Riverwolf]

　
Well I guess as long as you continue to read what i have to say then it will continue to bother you because I just don't see it your way and will continue to say that Yah is MY El and since he is MINE I will continue to state as much. So cop away.

Okeydokey.

I just prefer specific usage of words, rather than cliche'd phrases that aren't even accurate.
　

I can understand why you would feel that way. I just have to go by what is written and I am told that names have meaning and power. My El has a name and it means "Life" and "Existence". There be no other real name for that is the name he gave unto Moshe at Mt. Sinai. I’m further told that My Moshiach has a name and it is Yahshua which means “Yah is salvation”. I am even further told that in……….
　
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
　
As well as I am commanded by Torah……….
　
Exo 23:13 And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
　
So I have to disagree with you on the “Whatever name” opinion you have. But hey, I can do that right? As you will most instinctively disagree with me as has been your nature to this point. Yah willing the sun will still rise in the morning. :yes:

It said not to mention the names of other gods, not other possible names for God. ^_^

 

[gwk230]

It said not to mention the names of other gods, not other possible names for God.

　
That’s just it. There are no other possible names for my El.

 

[Riverwolf]

　
That’s just it. There are no other possible names for my El.

Why not?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Hi terry! Whats up? Ok is see your point. But our lord jesus was disconnected from the OT by about fourhundred years as well. That did not have an impact on him.



So now that paul is out of his time, i believe that god must have taken special care in revealing the mysteries of the gospel to him that he did.Paul did meet jesus on the road to damascus. I believe that paul recieved special revelation about the salvation plan of god after jesus died, because before jesus died nobody really understood it! Paul's letters explain the gospel to the gentiles, whereas I believe that most of the parables in the gospels are for the jews. (Many will disagree on that point i guess) But that which jesus did speak plainly about, paul simply expanded on. Like loving god and loving our neighbour, and having a good heart, and suffering.....etc.

Heneni

Hi

Paul said Jesus appeared to him on the road to Damascus. Most of of Paul’s revelation is undocumented except in his own writings.

He rarely expanded on Jesus teachings that were recorded by others, he probably did not know about them.

However I believe he was off message when it came to Jesus message of love and forgiveness and also when it came to his views on women and marriage.

It is plain that he had a rather poor relationship with James, Who could not get him out of Jerusalem quickly enough. However the upside of this was that it started him on his life’s work amongst the gentiles.

I believe the thing that most stands Paul apart from the other apostles, is that he wrote so much stuff down, and was a very effective missionary.

The Christianity our churches teach today is totally Pauline, only a few people can see the difference between that and the Message Christ Preached.

Jesus is our Saviour and taught us a very simple message. Paul Built a Church and left us with a complex religion.