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If Russia can hack the U.S. election then

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Hillary's stupid mob?
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You won't find much mention of it from the right-wing, "mainstream" media, but Interstate crosscheck, caging, and other voter suppression schemes are well reported in the progressive and international media.
The GOP's Stealth War Against Voters
The Election was Stolen – Here’s How... - Greg Palast
Video:
Petition to release the names on the "Crosscheck" voter purge list
I perused the articles, but they are suspect for a couple reasons....
- Unsupported claims
- Shrill anti-Republican tone
- Rolling Stone.....really?....the people who fabricate stories to serve their agenda.
- Presumed motives for programs which on the surface appear reasonable, eg, cross checking ID to prevent double voting.

They're conivinced that many Hillary voters were denied their vote, & that support for was far larger than was reflected in the vote count. But driving around the country in October, I saw only a couple Hillary signs. Trump signs were all over. It could very well be that Trump did have more support than she.

Now, if you want to do investigative work, you need a proper badge....
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esmith

Veteran Member
That the Russians 'hacked' the election. No one is saying that. Putin screwed with our election with Soviet style propaganda. Oh, they hacked the DNC and the DNCCC servers to do that. It appears that they also hacked into RNC servers, but decided not to divulge any of that. Comrade Trump benefited while the integrity of our election process has been sullied.

None of those facts conflicted with the piece I posted. The story of Cozy Bear, Fancy Bear and Gucifer are well documented and accepted by reasonable people who take the time to examine the facts and not just spew their party line. Just because Comrade Trump refuses to accept the truth doesn't negate the truth.


Are you saying that the statement highlighted in the first post above is backed up on facts? If so provide how about divulging those facts and the source?
Another question. Are you disputing the information in the article I provided you? If you are cornfused I'll re-post the link.
Feds Found RNC-Related Cyberattack Months Ago but It Didn't Raise Serious Concerns, Sources Say
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
You won't find much mention of it from the right-wing, "mainstream" media, but Interstate crosscheck, caging, and other voter suppression schemes are well reported in the progressive and international media.
The GOP's Stealth War Against Voters
The Election was Stolen – Here’s How... - Greg Palast
Video:
Petition to release the names on the "Crosscheck" voter purge list
This is a serious allegation that deserves its time in court, but for now it's hearsay - not proof.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Politics makes for strange bed fellows, Metis. Hey, look how you snuggled up to Hillary.
"Any port in a storm".

Also, any American politician who goes to bed with a guy like Comrade Putin is one sick puppy who doesn't keep track of world events-- like Comrade Trump. .
 
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Acim

Revelation all the time
That the Russians 'hacked' the election. No one is saying that.

From p.1 of google search:

The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election. Congress Must Investigate - Mother Jones
FBI backs CIA claims that Russia hacked the election - EndGadget.com
FBI Now Agrees That Russia Hacked the Election to Help Trump Win - Gizmodo
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
As Buddhist pointed out, it's not the Russkis we should be blaming. It was an inside job:
It really was a combination of factors, but the one thing I've persistently stated is that Hillary was her own worst enemy, and for a variety of reasons. Certainly, the constant [Wiki]leaks kept her faults constantly in the media, so I do have to feel that they were one factor in an election that really was more hotly contested than the electoral tally would indicate.

Therefore, my concern is not that the election was somehow invalid, but that there's a need, imo, to try and make sure that no outside power undermines our electioneering process in the future.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
From p.1 of google search:

The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election. Congress Must Investigate - Mother Jones
FBI backs CIA claims that Russia hacked the election - EndGadget.com
FBI Now Agrees That Russia Hacked the Election to Help Trump Win - Gizmodo
No the Russians did not hack the 2016 election in itself. They hacked the emails of the DNC and John Podesta which may or may not (more likely not) had any influence in the opinion of the U.S. voter.
It appears that a lot of you are getting your facts confused.
In addition, why did the Democrats lose so many seats in state legislatures and Governorships? Do you not think that this shows why President-elect Trump won the election.

In addition what impact do you think there was in the release of those emails. The Obama knew about the antics of the Russians prior to the election and never said anything. Is it because he didn't see an impact in the release of those emails.

Try and be concise in your response please. Of course I'm sure it would be all of the liberal idiots that has driven this economy and world wide standing of the U.S. into the dumps.
 
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GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
From p.1 of google search:
The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election. Congress Must Investigate - Mother Jones
FBI backs CIA claims that Russia hacked the election - EndGadget.com
FBI Now Agrees That Russia Hacked the Election to Help Trump Win - Gizmodo
According to Wikipedia, Gizmode is a "design, technology and science fiction website". I think you should switch to duckduckgo! I got
Barack Obama orders investigation into Russian hacking (Daily Telegraph)
Russian hackers accused of post-election attacks (Reuters)
US officially accuses Russia of hacking (Guardian)

Useful reading
Here’s What We Know About Russia and the DNC Hack
Russia Hacking Site Spying Webcams Worldwide: Britain | SecurityWeek.Com
Russian hacking is a "fact" in post-truth strategy says government minister
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
From p.1 of google search:

The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election. Congress Must Investigate - Mother Jones
FBI backs CIA claims that Russia hacked the election - EndGadget.com
FBI Now Agrees That Russia Hacked the Election to Help Trump Win - Gizmodo
Nothing but sloppy reporting. The NSA, FBI and the 14 other agencies have made it clear that servers were hacked and the election process was interfered with.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
Are you saying that the statement highlighted in the first post above is backed up on facts?
That's actually a mixed bag. I remember an FBI talking head saying just that, but I can't find the actual quote. Some media say 'Yes' while most media and the RNC say 'No'. As low as we are on the totem pole, there's no way for us to really know. Most Americans don't even seem to care. Imagine that.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Hillary lost the typical blue collar worker and only won in areas with a dense population or a very very liberal/progressive enclave.
Also look at the voting map by county and tell me the hacked emails had any thing remotely to do with the election...Will give you the map so you don't have to go looking for it.
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To look at that with less bias try turning texas and florida pink for starters. Trump couldnt get a majority popular even getting popular states like texas and florida.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
To look at that with less bias try turning texas and florida pink for starters. Trump couldnt get a majority popular even getting popular states like texas and florida.
Haven't answered the question have you? Your deflection is typical and understandable....

Why has the Democrats lost control of the majority of State governments? This might tell you why the Hillary lost the election.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Haven't answered the question have you? Your deflection is typical and understandable....

Why has the Democrats lost control of the majority of State governments? This might tell you why the Hillary lost the election.
I know why, trump got more states but a few pivotal states within closer margins than past elections. In order to lose the popular and get the electoral takes a lot of close calls.
 

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
It seems that Putin is pleased with getting Comrade Trump elected! He certainly wants us to stop talking about his involvement in the process.
 
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