If sin creates victims, then Gays and prostitutes are innocent.

[Clement_In_Christ]

Clement: Did you happen to notice that you completely contradicted yourself? You may find an introductory logic class helpful. Just a suggestion.

ok.. and show me where did i contradicted myself? myabe it can be from your lack of understanding..

 

[Clement_In_Christ]

The "flesh" is not the cause of sin... at last not if you define sin as what is wrong. Would also like to point out that what some people consider morals, such as condemning homosexuality, are sources of evil as well.

but it still all deals with your decision making... if you think or do any kind of evil... it first have to be decided.. and if you decided it and create the action of it... you just created sin...

sin can be created only by flesh.. but sin has no power if there is no force to it....
there has to be a force and that force have to carry out an action to create the sin... sin can only exist if you create it... THINK!!!

 

[Clement_In_Christ]

We live in sin... Cause sin has been created from men since the begging of adam an eve... But if we were to love our neighbors as we love ourself..and live in christ spirit... We will stop creating sin... As a whole...and live in peace with the spiritual mind...

 

[Kerr]

but it still all deals with your decision making... if you think or do any kind of evil... it first have to be decided.. and if you decided it and create the action of it... you just created sin...

sin can be created only by flesh.. but sin has no power if there is no force to it....
there has to be a force and that force have to carry out an action to create the sin... sin can only exist if you create it... THINK!!!

Define sin.

If you include in the definition it can only be created by the flesh, it can only be that. If it mean immorality, then sin has nothing to do with the flesh.

 

[Kerr]

We live in sin... Cause sin has been created from men since the begging of adam an eve... But if we were to love our neighbors as we love ourself..and live in christ spirit... We will stop creating sin... As a whole...and live in peace with the spiritual mind...

What if we hate ourselves? Does that mean we should hate our neighbors ?

 

[Autodidact]

ok.. and show me where did i contradicted myself? myabe it can be from your lack of understanding..

O.K.:

there is no such thing as sin.

sin is created by man

Do you see the problem?

 

[Charity]

All wrongdoing is sin......It just depends on how a person perceives what is right and what is wrong.....
Sin doesn't always hurt someone else but ourselves.....

Partaking of food is substance for the body but when we over indulge it becomes gluttony which is harmful to the body...We gain weight, become hypertensive, place extra work on our heart. Extra weight causes stress on our bones and joints. The list just goes on.

My point is I remember many pastors who are "over weight" or shall I just say some are very "fat". You can tell they like to eat. Yet they stand in their Church every Sunday and condemn someone for having a drink they say "it is sinful". They don't seem to see the beam in their own eye.
Strange how it's always easier to point the "sin" out in someone else's life.

I guess sin like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....

 

[TashaN]

If you are to say I am wrong then good taste says you should correct me.

Learn how to respond and debate.

Chastisement without correction is just cruelty.

Regards
DL

I have to correct how you view God?

Many people see God in a different way. If i have tried to *correct* you, a new type of debate will start about who is God, instead of the question about sins.

 

[Mr Cheese]

didn't you read the whole thread i wrote? sin is created by man... in Christ there is no such thing as sin unless man creates it... listen and understand with your spirit not with your flesh.... think about it before you reply back.... yes if a man rape a woman he created sin, in flesh.... but if we were to stop creating sin, then sin will cease to be in existence... we must learn how to ignore the flesh cause it is our enemy and it will deceive us to create more sin for ourselves
this is why we are to learn the wisdom of Christ and feed our spirit with his knowledge...

before you make any decision always ask your self, " am i creating sin by doing this?
remember in the beginning Christ never said "let there be sin"

so only the flesh is sin ful?
flesh is worthless....?

This means God's creation is worthless and filth?:areyoucra

 

[Greatest I am]

Interesting perspective. I think you're right. Never thought of it that way.

I see good sense.

Thanks and regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

The "flesh" is not the cause of sin... at last not if you define sin as what is wrong. Would also like to point out that what some people consider morals, such as condemning homosexuality, are sources of evil as well.

Hate begets hate.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Define sin.

If you include in the definition it can only be created by the flesh, it can only be that. If it mean immorality, then sin has nothing to do with the flesh.

Only a human brain can define sin.
There is none other than man in creation that can discern good and evil except for the Godhead.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I have to correct how you view God?

Many people see God in a different way. If i have tried to *correct* you, a new type of debate will start about who is God, instead of the question about sins.

Like a parent that slaps quickly instead of taking the time to teach so that he or she does not have to slap again.

Justify poor manners all you like.

Doing it here is the same as doing it face to face.
Good manners say that you would not do so face to face.

Regards
DL

 

[Mr Cheese]

Only a human brain can define sin.
There is none other than man in creation that can discern good and evil except for the Godhead.

Regards
DL

you can redefine sin all you want
you can call a tree an ostrich, but it wont make it grow feathers

Your argument is poor

 

[Smoke]

The reason I bring up this topic is that I see that secular law will become the law of all nations in the near future. Religious law will become inconsequential to the state.
Even today, there are few states that practice religious law. They are under pressure as we speak to change.

Good -- and not just from a secular point of view, either. You ought to know that when religion controls the state, religious leaders are politicians, and politics controls religion, too.

I foresee, that at some point in time, the corner store will become the corner den of legal prostitution, gambling and drugs/alcohol use. Abortion clinics will likely be on the top floor of these corner store.

Isn't it interesting that neither gambling, nor drug and alcohol use, nor abortion is forbidden by the Torah? Or anywhere in the Bible, for that matter.

Some countries presently have laws against these so called victimless crimes. Those laws will eventually disappear.

With my definition of sin, I cannot and would not stop this trend.

I do not see this coming situation as one of a dignified nation populated by dignified men. What used to be restricted to red light districts will be everywhere. This unsightly, some would say ungodly, situation has always existed but at an underground level. Soon it will be above ground.

Is this future as I describe inevitable?

Will religionists have to bite the bullet and just close their eyes as they see their children drawn into this future/present life style?

You seem to assume that given the choice, anybody would prefer being a prostitute to following your type of religion.

Fortunately, God and prostitution are not the only two choices.

 

[Greatest I am]

God said, Let there be Gays.
And by God there were.
They were made for Jesus.
Does that make Jesus Gay?


Ephesians 3:8-10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Regards
DL

 

[Mr Cheese]

God said, Let there be Gays.
And by God there were.
They were made for Jesus.
Does that make Jesus Gay?


Ephesians 3:8-10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Regards
DL

the bible doesnt even really talk abotu "gays"

:sarcastic

but there....

 

[Greatest I am]

you can redefine sin all you want
you can call a tree an ostrich, but it wont make it grow feathers

Your argument is poor

As compared to non existing.

Regards
DL

 

[Mr Cheese]

As compared to non existing.

Regards
DL

blather and piffle

I can redifine sin all I like
It doesnt make pink cotton balls blue....

That is essentially your argument....

 

[Greatest I am]

You seem to assume that given the choice, anybody would prefer being a prostitute to following your type of religion.

Fortunately, God and prostitution are not the only two choices.

LOL.
I do not have a type of religion.
My religion numbers 1 and most do not like my God.
The Godhead is too real for their fantasy minds.

You named one viable choice only.

You name God and prostitutes.
Only one of these is real to secularists and many of the faith.

Regards
DL