If the hindu god vishnu has 10 avatars , where did vishnu come from ?

[funnylife33]

Its a simple question ...

I hope someone can answer that

Thanks

 

[SalixIncendium]

In my personal view, Vishnu is Brahman with qualities (saguna) as a result of Maya.

However, there are multiple stories of Vishnu's (and Shiva's) origin.

Origin of Lord Shiva and Vishnu - Relationship Between Shiva & Vishnu

There are multiple stories about the origin of Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu. The Shrimad Bhagvatam, Shiva Purana, Vishnu Purana all have different versions on the origin of Shiva and Vishnu.

www.templepurohit.com

 

[LuisDantas]

Far as I can tell, Vishnu (and other Devas) came from the need for names to describe certain values, feelings and hopes.

I don't personally believe in the existence as such of Devas, but they are excellent tools for that purpose.

 

[LuisDantas]

In my personal view, Vishnu is Brahman with qualities (saguna) as a result of Maya.

This is Saguna Brahma, constrated with Nirguna Brahma who is beyond qualities and attributes?

 

[SalixIncendium]

This is Saguna Brahma, constrated with Nirguna Brahma who is beyond qualities and attributes?

Yes, though I would probably use "without" rather than "beyond."

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes, though I would probably use "without" rather than "beyond."

Interesting... the choice of words and names has, if not implications, at least suggestions.

To call Saguna and Nirguna both "Brahma" emphasizes that they are in some sense the same.

To favor the use of the word "absence" over "beyond" suggests that transcendence and uniqueness are not the ideas that one wants to associate with Nirguna Brahma.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Interesting... the choice of words and names has, if not implications, at least suggestions.

To call Saguna and Nirguna both "Brahma" emphasizes that they are in some sense the same.

It's important to distinguish "Brahma" from "Brahman." Brahma is a deity...the creator in the Trimurti, whereas Brahman is no deity.

And in a sense, they can be considered the same. Saguna Brahman is an appearance or form of Nirguna Brahman as a result of Maya...

To favor the use of the word "absence" over "beyond" suggests that transcendence and uniqueness are not the ideas that one wants to associate with Nirguna Brahma.

I don't associate these ideas with Nirguna Brahman. Though "absence" doesn't feel right to me, either. There is only Nirguna Brahman. Everything else is an appearance resulting from Maya.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Its a simple question ...

I hope someone can answer that

Thanks

Simple answer. Same place the Christian Father or the Islamic Allah came from.

 

[funnylife33]

I was trying to get an answer from them .

I don't have much knowledge about what their book says about it .

 

[Vinayaka]

I was trying to get an answer from them .

I don't have much knowledge about what their book says about it .

Them? their book? Who is this 'them'? Hindus have many books.

In Hinduism, the various manifested versions of Brahman all came from Brahman, which is uncreated, and eternal. In all sects, (Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Shaktism) that particular name of Brahman is also eternal, and to indicate this, often the prefix 'Para' is added. So for me, that's Parashiva.

On a side not, trying to understand dharmic faiths and concepts through an Abrahamic lens often doesn't work. This thread is an example.

 

[LuisDantas]

Simple answer. Same place the Christian Father or the Islamic Allah came from.

Perhaps. But I don't think that is quite true.

Hopefully it is not at all true.

 

[funnylife33]

Them? their book? Who is this 'them'? Hindus have many books.

In Hinduism, the various manifested versions of Brahman all came from Brahman, which is uncreated, and eternal. In all sects, (Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Shaktism) that particular name of Brahman is also eternal, and to indicate this, often the prefix 'Para' is added. So for me, that's Parashiva.

On a side not, trying to understand dharmic faiths and concepts through an Abrahamic lens often doesn't work. This thread is an example.

I know that your religion is a bit ancient and a lot more older than most of the other religions , but that doesn't make it right .

I was trying to understand this concept of brahman ... And from most of the things i have read i undertsand that it is like something that does not have a starting point nor an end point..or a direction or a flow

And it is like something that does not even have the capacity to guide people with even a proper word or sentence ...

Its like someone trying to understand the space we live in ..

We know that it was like that there forever like that ...

 

[LuisDantas]

I know that your religion is a bit ancient and a lot more older than most of the other religions , but that doesn't make it right .

This is a strange thing to say. Are you assuming some sort of need for external validation from outside Hinduism? What would that be?

I was trying to understand this concept of brahman ... And from most of the things i have read i undertsand that it is like something that does not have a starting point nor an end point..or a direction or a flow

And it is like something that does not even have the capacity to guide people with even a proper word or sentence ...

Its like someone trying to understand the space we live in ..

We know that it was like that there forever like that ...

I don't really understand what you mean by this. Feels like you come from some sort of untold expectation of what Brahman should be and what it should conform to in order to guide people.

 

[Vinayaka]

I know that your religion is a bit ancient and a lot more older than most of the other religions , but that doesn't make it right .

I was trying to understand this concept of brahman ... And from most of the things i have read i undertsand that it is like something that does not have a starting point nor an end point..or a direction or a flow

And it is like something that does not even have the capacity to guide people with even a proper word or sentence ...

Its like someone trying to understand the space we live in ..

We know that it was like that there forever like that ...

I don't expect you to understand it. It's too high of an expectation. Not only that, but Brahman isn't understandable by anyone via the intellect. To be truly understood, it has to be experienced. In that sense, I also have no understanding of it.