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I'm going to start by substituting the word "spirit" for "soul" because the physical body and the spirit together comprise what I believe to be a "living soul." I don't believe our spirits have always existed, but I do believe that God created them prior to conception (the point in time when our physical bodies started to develop). I believe we existed in spirit form with God, prior to our mortality. While the Bible does not clearly state this doctrine, a number of verses allude to it.orichalcum said:If the soul is immortal, does that mean it has always existed?
Everything except God, as he is outside of time and has always existed. "His goings forth are from everlasting"Pussyfoot Mouse said:Everything must have a beginning and an end.
Well, God has always existed, right? He spoke the world into existence out of nothing (first chapter of John), so our spirit matter has not always existed. After that everything had a beginning, and therefore a cause. So I conclude that our spirits were caused by our conception.Katzpur said:I'm going to start by substituting the word "spirit" for "soul" because the physical body and the spirit together comprise what I believe to be a "living soul." I don't believe our spirits have always existed, but I do believe that God created them prior to conception (the point in time when our physical bodies started to develop). I believe we existed in spirit form with God, prior to our mortality. While the Bible does not clearly state this doctrine, a number of verses allude to it.
Prior to the time that God created our spirits, we existed as "intelligences." "Intelligence," as used in this context, means "light of truth." It was not created or made, but is co-eternal with God. So, our spirit matter has always existed, but God organized this matter and created our spirits. When God infuses a physical body with a spirit, that spirit leaves His presence and continues to dwell in that body throughout a person's mortal life. At death, the spirit leaves the body, but continues to exist as a cognitive entity. At resurrection, it will once again rejoin the body, but the body will have, by then, been made immortal.
Well, I'd say your post makes for interesting thinking - but as I am just taking this as yet another little bit off 'nitty gritty' that is inconsequential to my faith, I'll just savour your comment as a mind bending thought exercise. Rather reminds me of the one about parallel lines meet at infinity...........CMIYC said:You cannot be promised eternity, when the eternity existed before you where born. That would mean you were before the creation
Silly NetDoc! If you'd read "Good Omens", you'd know the answer to that is "One, and only if it's Aziraphale, and he's doing the [size=-1]gavotte." (The only angel who's bothered to take a dance class did so waaaaay back when, so he only knows the one dance.)NetDoc said:Does it matter? We could debate how many angels dance on the head of a pin as well. (We all know that angels do the cha cha)
Heheee, he's a very sweet character. I think he'd be happy to.joeboonda said:Perhaps he could be persuaded to give lessons?