If Theory of Darwin is fact, not theory, then Darwin Theory is wrong in its title already?

[Ouroboros]

Nope, that is the claim of well known conman, ironically ex-con, and well known idiot Kent Hovind.

Who is a crook.

He hoodwinked many.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who is a crook.

He hoodwinked many.

Now, now, all we can is "was a crook". He was convicted and served his time. I am sure that he is fully reformed by now

 

[Regiomontanus]

Their relationship is so weak that cosmology could be completely wrong and evolution could still be true.

Imagine a God that created the universe, and then he/she/it/they created evolution to produce life. It's not an impossible or contradictory scenario, hence, the relationship between cosmology and evolution is very circumstantial. Just think about that evolution was discussed and reasoned before big bang theory and modern cosmology even existed in Darwin's time.

The issue most anti-evolutionists have isn't with evolution, but with naturalism. Naturalism requires that cosmology, evolution, and so on are all true, that all things came into being without a divine influence. But even then, deism suggests that God kicked off the big bang and then it all happened on its own, so you can actually have a god-belief and still believe naturalism to be true.

I hear what you are saying. But I stand by my statement. The connections are deep. As the Buddhists will say (correctly, IMHO), everything is connected.

How did stars and galaxies form? Where did that carbon in your body come from (for that matter, all elements heavier than lithium)? All of the physical laws to which chemistry and biology are bound were "baked in" during the first moments after Creation. The connection between the two might be somewhat indirect but you can't have one without the other. I am as confident in the science explaining (sure some details are still being worked out) the evolution of the universe as I am in the evidence that a chimp and I are cousins, evolved from a common ancestor.

 

[Valjean]

I have my own definitions.

If everybody used their own definitions we'd all be speaking different languages.
How can we have a discussion about anything if we can't agree on terms?

To those, who wants this thread to be murdered: it is the sub-forum, there are present both Creational Scientists and Darwinists.

Huh?

What is a creational scientist? Where's the science?
...and what's a "Darwinist?"

 

[Milton Platt]

Dialog:

- If the Theory of Darwin is fact, not theory, then Darwin's Theory is wrong in its title already?

- Evolution is a fact. Theory of Evolution is the theory of the fact.

- No, google "Cosmology Crisis" then. The Theory of Evolution is defined as having the following sections: Theory of Big Bang+Theory of Cosmic Evolution+Theory of Darwin+Social Darwinism.
Social Darwinism is the application of Evolution to Socium.

Opponent: "What?! Where did you get that?"

Enter my own quest for truth or stay outside: Wikipedia can lie because the authors can be liars or wrong.

This is a silly post. the theory of evolution is the explanation of how evolution (the fact) works. Just like Germ Theory is an explanation of how germs cause disease.

 

[Milton Platt]

This is a silly post. the theory of evolution is the explanation of how evolution (the fact) works. Just like Germ Theory is an explanation of how germs cause disease.

You must also be aware that more than one thing can be said to evolve, not just life. Cosmological evolution is not the same as biological evolution and works under different rules.

 

[gnostic]

Dialog:

- If the Theory of Darwin is fact, not theory, then Darwin's Theory is wrong in its title already?

- Evolution is a fact. Theory of Evolution is the theory of the fact.

- No, google "Cosmology Crisis" then. The Theory of Evolution is defined as having the following sections: Theory of Big Bang+Theory of Cosmic Evolution+Theory of Darwin+Social Darwinism.
Social Darwinism is the application of Evolution to Socium.

Opponent: "What?! Where did you get that?"

Enter my own quest for truth or stay outside: Wikipedia can lie because the authors can be liars or wrong.

@questfortruth

A Scientific Theory EXPLAIN the observable and testable fact.

You clearly don’t have idea what a Scientific Theory is.

You really should ask questions and learn from your mistakes instead of ranting about something that you are clueless about, because it only make you sounds ignorant.

 

[gnostic]

And as to your last part of your OP.

Evolution has to do with biology.

Social Darwinism have nothing to do with biology, nothing to do with Evolution. Social Darwinism is more to do with politics, which biology totally ignored.

You are fool, if you cannot tell the differences between biology and politics.

 

[Ouroboros]

The connection between the two might be somewhat indirect but you can't have one without the other.

Yes you can.

Cosmology can exist without evolution.

Evolutionary algorithms are used in computers, which shows that the principles are solid in of themselves.

And as I said, a God that created the universe in one day and then created the evolution process to produce life, is totally logically coherent.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Yes you can.

Cosmology can exist without evolution.

Evolutionary algorithms are used in computers, which shows that the principles are solid in of themselves.

And as I said, a God that created the universe in one day and then created the evolution process to produce life, is totally logically coherent.

It may be coherent to you but what I am talking about is what the best science says is actually the case.

 

[gnostic]

Oh, @questfortruth, I have almost forgotten.

There is no such thing as Darwin Theory, but there is a Darwin’s theory called Natural Selection.

It is called Natural Selection, not Darwin Theory, not Darwinian Evolution.

Darwin wrote about Evolution in regarding to Natural Selection, where diversity is caused by changes in the environment. Species that survive were capable of adapting to the changes in the environment. Those that are not capable to adapt in new environment, may or may not go extinct.

Natural Selection is just one of 5 possible evolutionary mechanisms. The 5 mechanisms of evolution are:

1. Natural Selection
2. Mutation
3. Genetic Drift
4. Gene Flow
5. Genetic Hitchhiking

Evolution is umbrella term for all 5 evolutionary mechanisms. There is only one theory, but it offered multiple understanding of how Evolution might work.

In any case, Darwin never his theory or any of his books with words like “Darwin”, “Darwinian” or “Darwinism”.

 

[Ouroboros]

It may be coherent to you but what I am talking about is what the best science says is actually the case.

Strange then that I took college classes in biology, anthropology, and astronomy, along with a bunch of other science and math classes, and never was big bang or the "evolution of the universe" part of the anthropology or biology curriculum, neither was evolution of biological lifeforms part of astronomy. I know what these sciences covers, and you're just wrong. Plain and simple.

 

[viole]

Dialog:

- If the Theory of Darwin is fact, not theory, then Darwin's Theory is wrong in its title already?

- Evolution is a fact. Theory of Evolution is the theory of the fact.

- No, google "Cosmology Crisis" then. The Theory of Evolution is defined as having the following sections: Theory of Big Bang+Theory of Cosmic Evolution+Theory of Darwin+Social Darwinism.
Social Darwinism is the application of Evolution to Socium.

Opponent: "What?! Where did you get that?"

Enter my own quest for truth or stay outside: Wikipedia can lie because the authors can be liars or wrong.

The theory of evolution is a set of explanations for a fact: evolution.
In the same way, the theory of gravitation is a set of explanations for a fact: gravity.

I really wonder what is so problematic about that.

Ciao

- viole

 

[questfortruth]

But what your theory presents here, is not Darwinism or creationism or? it is your own theory.
Maybe it should be called the theory of Questfortruth?

According to my Religion: Big Bang Theory and Cosmology are part of Evolution plot because the God of the Bible has created the Universe 7000 years ago.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Big Bang Theory and Cosmology are part of Evolution because the God of the Bible has created the Universe 7000 years ago.

No, that is just one long ago refuted interpretation of the Bible. Interpreting the Bible literally is an error since one ends up calling God a liar. Most Christians do not believe in a lying God.

 

[Spirit of Light]

According to my Religion: Big Bang Theory and Cosmology are part of Evolution plot because the God of the Bible has created the Universe 7000 years ago.

7000 years ago? how come that they find a dinosaur skeleton that is 85 million years old then? and that science says the earth is at least 4.3 billion years old?

 

[Spirit of Light]

According to my Religion: Big Bang Theory and Cosmology are part of Evolution plot because the God of the Bible has created the Universe 7000 years ago.

Remember that 1 day for God is many years on earth. not the same time in the realm of Gods.

 

[night912]

Dialog:

- If the Theory of Darwin is fact, not theory, then Darwin's Theory is wrong in its title already?

- Evolution is a fact. Theory of Evolution is the theory of the fact.

- No, google "Cosmology Crisis" then. The Theory of Evolution is defined as having the following sections: Theory of Big Bang+Theory of Cosmic Evolution+Theory of Darwin+Social Darwinism.
Social Darwinism is the application of Evolution to Socium.

Opponent: "What?! Where did you get that?"

Enter my own quest for truth or stay outside: Wikipedia can lie because the authors can be liars or wrong.

Hahaha. Your attempt failed miserably. Why would it be called "Theory of Fact," if the Theory of Evolution is not explaining about what is a "fact" or how something is considered as a "fact" or what is require for something to be a "fact." Is there a Theory of Fail? If there is, then your post should be use as an example for that theory.

 

[SomeRandom]

Dialog:

- If the Theory of Darwin is fact, not theory, then Darwin's Theory is wrong in its title already?

- Evolution is a fact. Theory of Evolution is the theory of the fact.

- No, google "Cosmology Crisis" then. The Theory of Evolution is defined as having the following sections: Theory of Big Bang+Theory of Cosmic Evolution+Theory of Darwin+Social Darwinism.
Social Darwinism is the application of Evolution to Socium.

Opponent: "What?! Where did you get that?"

Enter my own quest for truth or stay outside: Wikipedia can lie because the authors can be liars or wrong.

It’s not the theory that evolution happened. Theory of Evolution seeks to explain the phenomenon, and updates itself once something is found to be outdated.

 

[night912]

According to my Religion: Big Bang Theory and Cosmology are part of Evolution plot because the God of the Bible has created the Universe 7000 years ago.

Out of curiosity, what is your religion? Is it a new religion? I never heard of a religion that teach about Big Bang Theory and cosmology as being a part of evolution. So started this new religion. Obviously, the founder of that religion found it after the big bang theory was presented.