If there is no self, why am I having this experience?

[Twilight Hue]

This is a common idea in Buddhism.


We come out of nature as a wave comes out of the entire ocean before returning. So might one say that the wave is born out of the ocean, and that we are born out of nature?

It's a metaphor to illustrate that nothing is separated by which the illusion of separation is erroneously brought about through a misinterpretation involving relationships and interconnectedness that one cannot separate him or herself from.

In all actuality, there isn't any real birth or death. Or waves coming out of the ocean and waves returning into the ocean. Just an Illusion......

Rising and falling........... just a perception, rather.......Rising/falling.....rising......falling........... . ....... . ......................


Nothing can be separate, even if you see "spaces".

 

[robocop (actually)]

Once you know what a thought is, a thought about itself is consciousness.

 

[David T]

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Is this the same as asking where everything comes from? If the waves are born from an ocean, then from what is the ocean born?

from what is infinity born from?

 

[David T]

It's a metaphor to illustrate that nothing is separated by which the illusion of separation is erroneously brought about through a misinterpretation involving relationships and interconnectedness that one cannot separate him or herself from.

In all actuality, there isn't any real birth or death. Or waves coming out of the ocean and waves returning into the ocean. Just an Illusion......

Rising and falling........... just a perception, rather.......Rising/falling.....rising......falling........... . ....... . ......................


Nothing can be separate, even if you see "spaces".

Oh you are no fun, that's actually accurate.

 

[jackvincent]

from what is infinity born from?

You are correct. This is what I've needed to ponder because there isn't anything to ponder. It is.

 

[Rinchen]

Could you explain what Samsaric beings are? I could Google, but I'm sure it would benefit others if you kindly explained.

Samsaric Beings are those who are bound within Samsara, or the cycle of birth, old age, sickness, and death. Also within that experiance of samsara is all of our discontentment, the suffering of pain, the suffering of change, the suffering of desire, etc. Gods, being samsaric beings, are not reliable sources of ultimate refuge from suffering because they themselves are still in the realm of samsara. A god can become a ghost, a hell being, an animal, a human being, etc. when they pass away from the heavens. The gods can be good for getting material things, like safety, money, etc. but they cannot ultimately liberate you from the cycle of samsara.

 

[Rinchen]

To those who commented about the Buddha and his silence on the subject of God-

Emptiness is a clear refutation of a supreme being.

 

[Willamena]

This is a common idea in Buddhism.


We come out of nature as a wave comes out of the entire ocean before returning. So might one say that the wave is born out of the ocean, and that we are born out of nature?

Are you having an experience, or is an experience having you?

 

[Brickjectivity]

from what is infinity born from?

I am not a Mathematician and it is a controversial subject. They argue about whether Math pre-exists and is discovered or whether it is created by us. I am of the 'It is discovered' crowd, but as a non-Mathematician my opinion is not relevant to Mathematical debates. I think infinity simply is, just like one must be followed by 2 and 3. Some people think that, no, it is a construction by us.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Are you having an experience, or is an experience having you?

Bit like the Lotus Sutra. ;0)

 

[sayak83]

Based on what?

Buddha debates with the false- Creator God (Baka Brahma).

Brahma-nimantanika Sutta: The Brahma Invitation

 

[Twilight Hue]

from what is infinity born from?

Think about what you're asking. Infinity had a beginning? :0)

 

[sayak83]

The response from his followers is, Buddha accepted there was no Creator God, but there were divine beings with differing levels in the Heavens. Let's push on that opening a little and see where it leads...

So then one would ask, who are these deities that exist in Heaven?

Sentient entities who lived virtuously over several lifetimes and hence was born in heavens with access to greater powers than earthly beings.

 

[DavidFirth]

Buddha debates with the false- Creator God (Baka Brahma).

Brahma-nimantanika Sutta: The Brahma Invitation

What is the Pali?

 

[sayak83]

What is the Pali?

What do you mean?

 

[DavidFirth]

What do you mean?

Your link says it was a translation from the Pali.

 

[sayak83]

Your link says it was a translation from the Pali.

Pali is the original language. You want the original Pali scripture?

 

[DavidFirth]

Pali is the original language. You want the original Pali scripture?

No, but I just want to know what the Pali is.

 

[sayak83]

No, but I just want to know what the Pali is.

Pali for which word?
For the divine being who mistakenly thinks himself to be the Creator God, he is called Baka Brahma.

 

[DavidFirth]

Pali for which word?
For the divine being who mistakenly thinks himself to be the Creator God, he is called Baka Brahma.

Pali (Pāli) is a Prakrit language native to the Indian subcontinent. It is widely studied because it is the language of much of the earliest extant literature of Buddhism as collected in the Pāli Canonor Tipiṭaka and is the sacred language of some religious texts of Hinduism and all texts of Theravāda Buddhism.

That answers my question. Thank you.