If Trump loses the election, will he accept it?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If Harris gets elected, you will see many emboldened dictators calling the shots in the world with nobody to worry about stopping and or hindering them because she is not strong or smart enough to adequately face them.

As a result , its going to become a sheer hell for a lot of people when despots and tyrants have free reign to do whatever they want without fear and remorse as they are intentionally allowed to get stronger and more dangerous than ever before. Probably will even get funded by her 'diplomacy' with US taxpayer money.

I find this tactic from Trump supporters interesting... I think of it as the "I know you are but what am I?" technique: whatever Trump is accused of, they just blindly accuse Trump's opponent of the same thing, regardless of whether it makes sense.

If people point out that Trump has done dictatorial things, instead of actually refuting the claim - since they can't - they just use the same terms to describe Trump's opponent and pretend that it's just standard political rhetoric now.

It's an interesting way to deflect criticism without having to engage with any pesky facts.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If Harris gets elected, you will see many emboldened dictators calling the shots in the world with nobody to worry about stopping and or hindering them because she is not strong or smart enough to adequately face them.

Based on zero available facts.

Meanwhile, is the one who falls in love with them (Kim Jong Un) and makes them his best friend (Putin) and lets them manipulate him on national television (Putin again) and praises them for ruling with an iron fist (Xi).

Those are the facts.

As a result , its going to become a sheer hell for a lot of people when despots and tyrants have free reign to do whatever they want without fear and remorse as they are intentionally allowed to get stronger and more dangerous than ever before. Probably will even get funded by her 'diplomacy' with US taxpayer money.

Projection.

Trump pulled the US out of the Iran deal and now look at what Iran has been up to as of late.
Putin played Trump like a fiddle on national television.
Kim Jong Un sent him love letters and got a free pass to do what he wanted.
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman was allowed to dismember and murder an American journalist while Trump looked the other way while is son-in-law got billions of dollars from the guy.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Which part of it? There were many protesters that were peaceful and there with questions.

Is this your serious answer?
You don't know what Jan 6th is referring to?
Come on.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Based on zero available facts.

Meanwhile, is the one who falls in love with them (Kim Jong Un) and makes them his best friend (Putin) and lets them manipulate him on national television (Putin again) and praises them for ruling with an iron fist (Xi).

Those are the facts.

Projection.

Trump pulled the US out of the Iran deal and now look at what Iran has been up to as of late.
Putin played Trump like a fiddle on national television.
Kim Jong Un sent him love letters and got a free pass to do what he wanted.
Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman was allowed to dismember and murder an American journalist while Trump looked the other way while is son-in-law got billions of dollars from the guy.

No that's just my Nostradamus style prediction.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I find this tactic from Trump supporters interesting... I think of it as the "I know you are but what am I?" technique: whatever Trump is accused of, they just blindly accuse Trump's opponent of the same thing, regardless of whether it makes sense.

If people point out that Trump has done dictatorial things, instead of actually refuting the claim - since they can't - they just use the same terms to describe Trump's opponent and pretend that it's just standard political rhetoric now.

It's an interesting way to deflect criticism without having to engage with any pesky facts.

Oh you'll find out what the facts are after the election is over.

 

[Shaul]

Is this your serious answer?
You don't know what Jan 6th is referring to?
Come on.

You should re-read my post. Clearly you misunderstood it. I didn't question what January 6th refers to. I questioned what its true significance is.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No that's just my Nostradamus style prediction.

Based on zero available facts. (Or you would have actually given them instead of just empty bluster.)

Meanwhile, you support the guy that admires and publicly and privately sucks up to dictators while imagining he's being so tough on them.

 

[F1fan]

Which part of it? There were many protesters that were peaceful and there with questions.

They were there because Trump lied about election fraud. Ashley Babbit is dead because Trump lied and she believed him.

 

[Shaul]

They were there because Trump lied about election fraud. Ashley Babbit is dead because Trump lied and she believed him.

This statement is patently false. You can't possibly know the reasons that every individual was there. Nor can you possibly know with certainty what were the motivations of Ashli Babbitt (you should at least have the decency to spell her name correctly). She died from a gunshot wound inflicted by Michael Byrd. Trump wasn't even present at the scene.

 

[Pogo]

Which part of it? There were many protesters that were peaceful and there with questions.

Oh, just what sort of questions were they there to peacefully ask of who and why there while the congress was going through a formal ritual to confirm the results of the election? Certainly not the time or place for miscellaneous questions.

 

[Pogo]

This statement is patently false. You can't possibly know the reasons that every individual was there. Nor can you possibly know with certainty what were the motivations of Ashli Babbitt (you should at least have the decency to spell her name correctly). She died from a gunshot wound inflicted by Michael Byrd. Trump wasn't even present at the scene.

Even if your silly hypothesis of some people being there to ask questions was true of some people, it has nothing to do with what went on by those who went there to disrupt the function of the government which is what is being talked about.

They weren't there to ask questions, some might have been there to express their disapproval of the results, but the people in question that were memorable were those who went there to disrupt the constitutionally mandated process.

 

[SkepticThinker]

This statement is patently false. You can't possibly know the reasons that every individual was there. Nor can you possibly know with certainty what were the motivations of Ashli Babbitt (you should at least have the decency to spell her name correctly). She died from a gunshot wound inflicted by Michael Byrd. Trump wasn't even present at the scene.

It is most definitely true.

His own supporters have said they were there because of him. In their very own words. There is even a video from January 6th of one of the rioters screaming in a security guard's face that he is there on behalf of his boss, Donald Trump. They were all there because of Trump's lies.

He brought them there. He told them to march to the Capitol, fully intending to march with them. They were all there because of him and his lies.

Never mind all that. Without Trump starting the lie that he won the 2020 election and then perpetuating it on and on every day, nobody would have been at the Capitol on January 6th. Because they'd have no reason to be. Nobody would have started the lie they all believed to begin with.

Ashley Babbitt was clearly trying to break into a sealed room containing US Senators, that had men with guns on the other side of it, protecting said Senators. She should have made wiser decisions.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/he-invited-us-accused-capitol-rioters-blame-trump-in-novel-legal-defense-idUSKBN2A219A/

Capitol rioters say Trump told them to do it, which some legal experts say could open him to criminal charges

Trump instructed his supporters to come to Washington on January 6 and promised the protest would be "wild."

www.businessinsider.com

WATCH: ‘Trump asked us to come,’ rioters said during Jan. 6 attack

Before ending its nearly two hour hearing, the committee investigating the Capitol insurrection played video footage of rioters saying former President Donald Trump asked them to come to Washington on Jan. 6.

www.pbs.org

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/02/politics/meadows-texts-january-6-trump-stop-violence/index.html

 

[Pogo]

This statement is patently false. You can't possibly know the reasons that every individual was there. Nor can you possibly know with certainty what were the motivations of Ashli Babbitt (you should at least have the decency to spell her name correctly). She died from a gunshot wound inflicted by Michael Byrd. Trump wasn't even present at the scene.

If a person, a member of a group (mob) is attempting to gain entrance to your location by smashing and climbing through a window, do you really think that you are not allowed to entertain negative intent on that person's part? This in a situation where a mob has already invaded several outer layers.

It may be time to loosen that turban.

 

[F1fan]

This statement is patently false. You can't possibly know the reasons that every individual was there.

Sure we can. The protest was created because Trump lied about election fraud. The people showed up because they believed there was election fraud. That was the whole point for the protest. And it was all caused by Trump lying about it.

Nor can you possibly know with certainty what were the motivations of Ashli Babbitt (you should at least have the decency to spell her name correctly).

She was a Trump supporter. And no one showed up if they accepted the election results. Plus she went into the Capitol and tried to break into the senate chamber. Why would anyone who accepted the election result do that?

She died from a gunshot wound inflicted by Michael Byrd. Trump wasn't even present at the scene.

Yes, if only she obeyed police orders. But she didn’t. And she was shot as a result. And she was there because she believed Trump’s lies about election fraud. There was no other reason for any of the rioters to be in the Capitol. Her death is on Trump’s hands.

Had Trump accepted the election results there would have been no protests. And all of those who died and were injured would be safe today. It’s on Trump.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

This statement is patently false. You can't possibly know the reasons that every individual was there.

None of them would have been there if Trump hadn't held the rally where he ended up inciting the crowd with lies.

Nor can you possibly know with certainty what were the motivations of Ashli Babbitt (you should at least have the decency to spell her name correctly). She died from a gunshot wound inflicted by Michael Byrd. Trump wasn't even present at the scene.

Her actions were consistent with her believing Trump's deception, but you're right that we can't be sure what was going on in her head.

... but if she didn't believe in the coup attempt that ended up costing her her life, that would make her story even sadder, IMO.

 

[Wandering Monk]

So for my Harris supporting friends here: do you get tired of trying to convince MAGA folks here that they are wrong? After all the threads about Trump and MAGA, have any of them changed their tune?

Face it, they are just trolling you. They are not arguing in good faith. Might be a good idea to quit feeding them and put them on ignore.

 

[metis]

Which part of it? There were many protesters that were peaceful and there with questions.

And some say there's no such thing as a dumb question.

I watched what happened as it happened for over 4 hours with Trump's refusing to call out the National Guard whereas the Capitol Police were being overwhelmed. It was obvious what was happening and why, even if you didn't see it or decide to paint a different picture of the reality of what took place on that day of infamy.

There are many more segments on YouTube and elsewhere that show the nastiness that you are mis portraying if there were so few violent people, then why did 140 Capitol Police get injured, some very seriously? Or is defending Trump no matter how much evil he speaks or does just your m.o.?

 

[Pogo]

So for my Harris supporting friends here: do you get tired of trying to convince MAGA folks here that they are wrong? After all the threads about Trump and MAGA, have any of them changed their tune?

Face it, they are just trolling you. They are not arguing in good faith. Might be a good idea to quit feeding them and put them on ignore.

But we do it for the lurkers! Trolling also requires the understanding that your position is untenable, I am not sure that many here rise to that level.

 

[Watchmen]

At the end of the day, who cares whether he accepts it or he doesn't -- so long as the rightful winner takes office. When that happens (I refuse to say "if") Trump will, in due course but not too far in the future, be reduced to just another minor interest for some people who can't resist poking dead animals with a stick. If Harris doesn't pardon him, for the sake of Americain peace at home, he will eventually be held to account for many of his past actions. If she does pardon him, he can retire to his lair like Nixon did, seldom to be heard from again.

I don’t think he’ll “accept” it, but he’ll have to learn to live with it.

I suspect Hillary Clinton still doesn’t “accept” that she lost to Trump, but she’s learned to live with it.

 

[fantome profane]

Nor can you possibly know with certainty what were the motivations of Ashli Babbitt

She didn't go there to get donuts.