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If you had to bring a knife to a gun fight...

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
I have diffused a few situations in the past by maintaining eye-contact in as calm and non-threatening a manner as possible. But then, because I live in a civilised country, I have never had anyone point a gun at me. Apart from the Guardia Civil in Spain a few times back in the 80s; that was pretty scary now I think of it, they certainly had the upper hand on those occasions, and were known to be a trigger happy bunch.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Something i feel the need to point out since you spoke of maybe getting a pocket knife
Knives I'd like to point out subject to laws regarding them. As in you can't have a knife at least here in NC above a certian length, and it has to obviously be a knife if I recall correctly at least the one i wanted wasn't legal to carry outside the house cuz it was hidden in a pen. @an anarchist. If you decide to get one be sure to read the local laws and make sure the weapon you get is legal and the laws regarding owning it.

I for example own a taser. I cant have it in the group home so a friend is holding onto it for me for safekeeping. I know the laws regarding it so i dont get into any legal trouble. This is a wise thing to do regarding any weapon.
 

VoidCat

Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Something i feel the need to point out since you spoke of maybe getting a pocket knife
Knives I'd like to point out subject to laws regarding them. As in you can't have a knife at least here in NC above a certian length, and it has to obviously be a knife if I recall correctly at least the one i wanted wasn't legal to carry outside the house cuz it was hidden in a pen. @an anarchist. If you decide to get one be sure to read the local laws and make sure the weapon you get is legal and the laws regarding owning it.

I for example own a taser. I cant have it in the group home so a friend is holding onto it for me for safekeeping. I know the laws regarding it so i dont get into any legal trouble. This is a wise thing to do regarding any weapon.
@an anarchist
Another thought:
If you get a weapon for self defense what will happen if you actually need to use it? Can you use it effectively? And in the case of self defense were you to injure your attacker or even kill them depending on how you chose to use that weapon would you be prepared for a trial that'll last a while defending the decision to use that weapon? Im not saying you shouldn't get a weapon for self defense. But that if you do you want to understand the weight of using one. And that using a weapon is a last resort not a first one.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
@Guitar's Cry. Might be helpful here since he a teacher and in a thread mentioned having training regarding active shooters. Plus he knows self defense being into martial arts.


What a sad world we live in to be tagging a teacher but that's who I'm tagging.

I've done ALICE training. Basically, it boils down to barricade, run/hide , and fight. We trained in a school with each of us roleplaying the shooter with a nerf gun while someone shot blanks to simulate the noise. As the shooter, who is trying to take out as many people as they can, anything that disrupts that is going to help: A locked door is an impediment they are likely to pass by; they won't be playing hide and seek; the harder the target the more likely they'll pass it by. As a shooter untrained in firearm combat, having stuff thrown at me by multiple people was difficult to manage. Swarming was extremely effective every time, meaning having multiple people grabbing the shooter and the weapon. These are things we've brought into the classroom.

This entails a constant heightened, alert state when out in public.

It does, but situational awareness becomes a second nature after a time. Once you learn to spot and avoid threats and dangerous situations, manage body language, and know escape routes and such you don't have to always feel on edge. Same with deescalation techniques, with practice you start to notice things like conflict cycles in your everyday life and how to avoid them. I work in behavioral health, so I get daily practice, but you can roleplay it pretty easily and honestly, it helps in everyday arguments. Verbal Judo, by George Thompson is a good book to read for this.

I highly recommend learning some basic self defense. You don't need to master a martial art, just focus on basic self-defense strategies for escaping attacks and practice these with basic blocks and strikes until they are second nature. Also, basic concepts of groundwork. A lot of striking martial artists will claim you only need to strike, or bite or eye gouge if a grappler gets a hold of you, but I've been in basic grappling positions where there was no way any of those would be effective. Learn things like framing, breaking an opponent's framing, bridging, and shrimping out which will help to get into positions where you can eye gouge or strike, or most importantly, escape. There are good videos for these things online and likely some good classes. Just make sure the techniques aren't overly complicated or fancy looking: real self defense will always be quick, messy, and based on escape and not winning a fight.
Also, not a bad idea to learn first aid these days. People have this idea that simply carrying a gun will protect them, but there are plenty of things a gun won't help you with. Knowing what to do if you or someone else is injured is important.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Absent of a gun, what should I do to defend myself and those who I care about?
Things that are weapons (in the right hands) and effective:
1. A torch, preferably a Scottish. (MacLight)
2. Escrima sticks.
Both are relatively easy to carry and legal almost everywhere. Can be used for attack and defense. Only drawback: very short range.
3. Pepper spray.
May be illegal where you are. May hurt you as well as an attacker in a closed room.
4. Knife, brass knuckles, telescope batton, etc.
Less effective than 1 & 2, probably illegal but better to hide.

For home defense (and better range), you might want to look into crossbows like those sold by Jörg Sprave:
 
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